17 thoughts on “Your Wish Is Our Command”

1. As I noted on another thread, if I were to take a carry permit class, I bet I’d be taught that a carry permit is NOT a valid reason to be out after dark in dangerous places like North Minneapolis. Plus, a $2.50 pint of Busch Light and a meal that induces nausea in the mere promotional photos is NOT going to change my decision to stay at home!

   Or, as was the case this weekend, it sure wouldn’t have changed my decision to have dinner with my wife & daughters at Market BBQ near the convention center. Even that neighborhood seemed pretty dicey compared with my hometown, and for that matter most of Rochester.

2. Noted. I will share this with my family and friends that carry.

3. Prudent? Nah. I’ve lived 52 years without needing one on hand, as have ALL of my friends, including as far as I know of, Mitch, you.

   As far as this guy’s attitude, well, were I a bar owner, I don’t want anyone walking in and tying one on who has a gun in his pocket. Too many bar fights already turn into tragedy and if I recall correctly, we’ve seen where a “conceal carry” citizen felt the need to pull out his gun and shoot someone (in downtown Minneapolis, late at night, after hangin’ at a bar). He claims it was self-defense, not sure how the jury has ruled yet, but I am pretty sure that without the “prudent” use of a gun after drinking – something I’d call FAR FROM prudent, some other drunk patron would likely still be alive.

   So, yeah, Mitch, sorry, but it’s insecurity. I feel it too depending on the circumstance, but it’s insecurity. I’ve never needed a gun, god hopes of course I never will, but the odds are HUGELY in my favor that will be true. So, no Mitch, not prudent, sure as hell not prudent to drink and carry, not ever, so not too sure what you’re worked up about, do you really think it’s prudent for John Doe to go drinking with a gun in his pocket?

4. Pen, your host has written a time or two about actually using a firearm to repel a home invasion, so no, he’s not made it to his age without using one for a needed purpose. But that said, one can make it through one’s whole life without ever using a fire extinguisher, too, but that doesn’t make it a bad idea to have one on hand.

   Regarding a bar, if you’d actually learned about the law, it is a crime to carry while intoxicated, and the levels are far lower than for driving. Basically two beers, even for a guy Mitch’s size, puts you over. What this bar owner is saying is either (a) his knowledge of permit law rivals yours or (b) he doesn’t even want permit holders coming in for a meal, and he’s insecure enough in his own masculinity to need to use a lot of epithets to make his point.

5. Why do I have the urge to make pen read what he wrote while striking him with a rolled up newspaper?
   Patrick is talking about all CC people, not just his patrons.
   Patrick, of course has the right and legal obligation to forbid carrying at his business. He is not talking about that.
   As Mitch mentions, Patrick seems to think a 95 lb. woman should be obligated to learn judo to protect herself.
   Because you cannot carry in his place of business, this restricts Patrick’s customer base. That is probably what has him so pissed.

6. Prudent? Nah. I’ve lived 52 years without needing one on hand,

   And we’ll cross our fingers and hope it remains ever thus.

   But you don’t know you will never need one any more than this guy did; he didn’t wake up on July 31 2015 and say “I bet someone’s gonna stick a gun in my face today”.

   including as far as I know of, Mitch, you.

   You missed my story, I guess.

   As far as this guy’s attitude, well, were I a bar owner, I don’t want anyone walking in and tying one on who has a gun in his pocket.

   Thing is, Pen, carry permittees are pretty keenly aware that it’s illegal to carry with a BAC > .04. That’s half the legal limit for driving.

   Too many bar fights already turn into tragedy and if I recall correctly, we’ve seen where a “conceal carry” citizen felt the need to pull out his gun and shoot someone (in downtown Minneapolis, late at night, after hangin’ at a bar).

   He claims it was self-defense, not sure how the jury has ruled yet, but I am pretty sure that without the “prudent” use of a gun after drinking – something I’d call FAR FROM prudent, some other drunk patron would likely still be alive.

   I’m not overly familiar with the case, but if it was a carry permittee and if self-defense is denied, it’ll be the first time that’s happened in 14 years.

   Minnesota’s annual unjustified homicide rate is 1.8/100,000. With 250,000 permit holders in the state, one might expect 4-5 unjustified homicides a year. But in 14 years, we’ve had one (a woman who shouldn’t have been issued a permit at all, but had pull via a nephew on the SPPD).

   Not much info is available on that shooting case – but if he is acquitted, then a jury will have found that he was in legitimate fear of death or mutilation, and he reacted apppropriiately.

   So, yeah, Mitch, sorry, but it’s insecurity.

   If you can’t show me an M.D. and lots of experience in psychiatry, then that’s your opinion . You’re entitled to it, but it’s wrong.

   I’ve never needed a gun, god hopes of course I never will, but the odds are HUGELY in my favor that will be true.

   Stipulated, and irrelevant!

   So, no Mitch, not prudent, sure as hell not prudent to drink and carry,

   Hence it’s illegal. And curb the strawman; I’m not advocating that illegal activity.

   So – I’m told – when people with permits go to a bar, they either store their guns in the trunk (legally, in locked containers) or they limit themselves to one beverage, max, or soft drinks.

   Not that I’d know. I’d never carry a gun. They scare me.

7. BTW, Pen?

   If you’re talking about the shooting that happened a week or two ago? My sources tell me his case looks to be legitimate self-defense so far. By all accounts, the citizen with the permit behaved exactly per the book; called the cops, cooperated (with counsel) with the investigation.

   I can find no record that he was arrested.

   That – and the fact that the local anti-gun groups aren’t jumping up and down about the story – tells me there’s a really good chance the shooting was justified; that the shooter was not the aggressor, that he legitimately feared for his life, that he used only the necessary force, and that he made a reasonable attempt to disengage, ALL of which a citizen must satisfy to claim self-defense.

   We shall see, of couse. But if I were a gambler…

8. This is the old Waldo’s (Club 46) which I knew very, very, very well from 30 some years ago. I grew up on the NS and actually worked as a bouncer their for a number of years. At that time is was a good neighbor hood joint. It was later sold to Rachel a former waitress of Waldo’s. A few years back a couple of young guys had left the place after an evening watching a hockey game on the bars TV, they where EXECUTED in the alley on their way home. Robbed at gun point, ordered to their knees, and shot in the back of their heads. Rachel said in an interview at the time she was so heart broken by what happened that she wanted to sell the place she had wanted to own for years.

   I wouldn’t even consider going anywhere in the Northside or Camden neighborhood without being armed and on high alert, it’s another Mpls cesspool.

   Randy, you have no concern with this “F**K’s” patronage, in fact my recommendation to anyone is to avoid the dump at all costs.

9. Mitch, are you suggesting that teh Peevee is an insecure, lying fuck?

   I’m gobsmacked.

10. MBerg wrote:
    ” . . .a woman who shouldn’t have been issued a permit at all, but had pull via a nephew on the SPPD”
    This is an unappreciated aspect of “may issue” CC laws (as we have in my state).
    The process is not transparent. It’s generally known that officers of the court get carry permits, as do cops. Business owners who carry large amounts of cash or other valuables are permitted on a case by case basis.
    But I’ve heard that friends and relatives of cops and judges are given carry permits with no qualifications other than what you need for a firearm permit.
    In my state, FYI, a few years ago the state legislature passed laws that said that people with TRO’s against them, who had been charged (not convicted) of spousal/family abuse, and who had undergone alcohol/drug abuse counseling or counseling for mental health issues were to be denied a permit to possess any type of firearm. After some back door negotiations, law enforcement personnel were exempted.
    I legally own several firearms, for home defense, not hunting (I live in a rural area). If we had shall issue laws in my state, I would still choose not to carry.

11. Are we talking about the Camden Tavern where a guy got shot four days ago?

    http://kstp.com/news/male-victim-shot-leg-north-minneapolis-camden-tavern-grill/4507749/

12. Are we talking about the Camden Tavern where a guy got shot four days ago?

    http://kstp.com/news/male-victim-shot-leg-north-minneapolis-camden-tavern-grill/4507749/

    Yeah, what kind of moron would think he’d need to be armed for self-defense in that place?

13. Mitch is correct.

    I know a lot of CC holders, as well as sportsmen that have an array of hunting weapons. We all know that the guns get unloaded, double checked to be sure and safely stored before anything with an alcohol content is touched, let alone opened.

    Further, I seem to remember a lying, rat bastard elected DemonRAT (if memory serves, it was more than one) literally cried that CC would turn Minneapolis into a modern day version of Dodge City, with gun fights on ever corner, every day. To date, none of those gun fights have occurred.

    You know, Pen, why don’t you get all 25 of your fellow anti gun zealots together and actually take a CC class? I’m sure that any number of us could even direct you to an instructor that gives group discounts. Once you have successfully completed said course, you might learn something or at least have some idea of what you’re talking about.

14. lying, rat bastard elected DemonRAT

    That’d be Wes Skoglund. Former Senator from South Mpls, who claimed that there’d be shootouts over road rage (there was one – a cop provoked it) and gang-bangers getting permits (er, not so much).

    While he was one of the dumber Senators we’ve had, he certainly wasn’t one of the smarter ones.

15. The guy who got shot outside of Randy Patrick’s Camden Tavern must be feeling pretty insecure as of a few days ago. Right Penigma?

16. Wes Skoglund the despicable bastard argued on the MN Senate floor that PTC would lead to wild west shoot outs on the city streets. He made his theatrical comments on the senate floor donned in a bullet proof vest. Thankfully he retired, we’re all better for that. P.O.S.!!

17. I was there.

    Most of the DFL Senate caucus was wearing flak jackets. It was glorious to see them lose.

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