Category Archives: PC

Political Correctness and its “unintended’ consequences.

Hate Group

Posted on by
9

Reading the employement records of the “Southern Poverty Law Center”, one almost might think a black staffer might do better working for…

…well, not the Klan. Maybe the John Birch Society.

“Outside the Southern Poverty Law Center, a stunning civil rights memorial honors those who died to give blacks more opportunities. Inside, no blacks have held top management positions in the center’s 23-year history, and some former employees say blacks are treated like second-class citizens,” Morse wrote.
“I would definitely say there was not a single black employee with whom I spoke who was happy to be working there,” Christine Lee, a black graduate of Harvard Law School who interned at the SPLC in 1989, told the Advertiser.


According to the report, only one black man had ever been among the top five wage-earners, and he was only one of two black staff attorneys in the SPLC’s history. Both said they left unhappy.
Morse contacted 13 black former SPLC staffers, and 12 said they either experienced or observed racial problems in the organization. Three recalled hearing racial slurs, three compared the SPLC to a plantation, and two said they had been treated better at predominantly white corporate law firms. Only three said the SPLC did not treat them worse than any other workplace.
According to internal memorandums, staffers accused Morris Dees of being a racist and making black employees feel “threatened.”
“I think there’s a real question as to the sincerity and legitimacy of the organization because of the noticeable absence of blacks there,” Donald Jackson, a black graduate of the University of Virginia Law School who interned at the SPLC in 1987, told the Advertiser. “You know, it’s sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.”

As it were.

Why, it sounds like the SPLC is almost as honky as “Protect” Minnesota and “Moms Demand Action”.

Almost.

Caution Required

Posted on by
10

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

A colleague at work wanted to chat about my weekend.  I didn’t. But we’re friends, that’s what friends do, they share stuff about their lives, right?
We’re not friends.  We work for the same employer.  We are friend-ly, in the sense of getting along at work, but we don’t go to dinner at each other’s houses, birthday parties, bowling league. We’re “work friends” but not “real friends.”
And honestly, I don’t want to be.  I suspect my work-friend’s political leanings do not accord with mine so the conversations I carefully avoid at work are landmines waiting to explode an after-work friendship.  Depending on the work-friend’s level of butthurt, it could affect our work relationship and that might drag in HR, who nobody wants to see, ever, for any reason.
Does that make me stand-offish?  Cold?  Yep.  Also wary, defensive, and suspicious. That’s life in the SJW workplace.  There are no real friends.  Only work-friends.
Joe Doakes

Sometime when I have the mental energy, I need to start writing the tales of the SJW workplace.

The World Academic / Intellectual War

Posted on by
2

The barring and harassment of conservative speakers on campus – even campuses like Grand Canyon and Northwestern in Saint Paul, which recently got heartburn over Star Parker – isn’t just a series of random snowflakes yelling themselves hoarse:

Lefties call this kind of challenge a structure test. It’s an evaluation of capacity. Organizations (or people) can either pass a structure test, or they can fail. In the case of the [Grand Canyon University] challenge, [Young America Foundation] passed. So, the next question is whether YAF has the capacity and willingness to pass that structure test somewhere else for the sake of Parker, who is a less prominent name than Shapiro.
After that, the question will be whether YAF can pass that test again, and again, and again. It’s an unending series of questions: Are you willing to fight? How much? For how long? How many fights can you sustain? How many fights can you keep track of? How many lawsuits can you afford to file?

Even I lose track.

The answer?

Organize – finally, once and for all. Of course, it’s easier said than done:

First off, let me stress that this kind of organization isn’t something just anybody can do. Some people are better placed to do it than others. The ideal person to be involved in this work is somebody who’s active in her alumni network, was active in campus life as a student, and has a good number of healthy contacts, preferably among people who are active donors.
If that’s you: sit down and make a list of people you know personally, who donate time and money to the university, who are unhappy with the way things are. Call them up on the phone—don’t text, don’t email, don’t Facebook. You’re using a personal connection here, and the human voice is important.
Sound them out, make sure they’re on your side, then make it clear you’re putting together a group of donors who want to pressure the university to make it a better place for conservatives. They should ideally be of a variety of ages — that way their networks will consist of different graduating cohorts. Discuss what you’re doing, what your demands will be, and get people to sign on.
This is your organizing committee

Read the whole thing. It’s worth it.

Out Of The (Safe) Bag

Posted on by
Reply

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

Liberals insist they must have safe spaces, free from people who upset them with BadThink ideas.  Sounds great.  Let’s start with bathrooms.  Women means biologically female, no transgender men who mistakenly think they’re women.  Gated communities are safe spaces.  North Oaks should put up the gates again.  No BadThink socialists allowed inside our ritzy neighborhood.  Golf courses should be safe.  No Jews, Negros, Women allowed to join?  So what?  The rest of the members are protected from minority BadThink. It a safe space.  It’s our right.  Liberals said so. And about that cake you want decorated . . . .
Safe Spaces are really a resurrection of Freedom of Assembly.  I should be free to gather together with whomever I choose, which carries the necessary implication that I should not be forced to assemble with people I don’t want to associate with.  But of course with the Left, it’s freedom for me but not for thee.  Hypocrisy is impossible for people without standards. 

Along with racism, hate and misogyny, the accusation is never about making the world more moral or less evil. It’s about controlling the argument by bullying you.

Danged If You Do, Don’t

Posted on by
19

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

This article illustrates the problem with kids today.  They’ve been pushed a steady diet of political correctness their whole lives, so they have to say they support the winners being true to themselves and they aren’t the least bit bigoted against transgenders, no sir, no way.
But then they complain about girls having to run against boys, saying “We all know the outcome of the race before it even starts; it’s demoralizing.”  Of course it is.  That’s why there are separate Girls and Boys events.  At the competitive edge, boys are stronger and faster.
The girls know it’s unfair, they know they’re being cheated, but they lack the ability to call bulls**t on it.  They can’t stand up for what’s right without being attacked as haters.  They’re not only cheated, but silenced.  Now THAT is true male-dominated oppression.
The real problem is the failure of sports directors to distinguish sex (male – XY chromosomes – testosterone) from gender (masculine – short hair – aggressive).  I don’t care if a boy wants to run the 100 yard dash in a tutu and has glitter on his fingernails.  He belongs in his biological classification, competing against other similarly equipped athletes.
Otherwise, if we’re truly embracing the concept that mental state over-rides biology, then do away with Boys and Girls sports.  Everyone competes against each other and girls will never win another competition as long as they live. 
Then, we finally can get rid of Title IX.

To be replaced by a program to bring equity back to the system, via some formula devised by the same people who gave us the situation we’re in now.

Allegiance

Posted on by
Reply

SCENE:   Mitch BERG is checking his oil.   As he does so, Avery LIBRELLE pedals a “Nice Ride” bike up the sidewalk, obscured from BERG’s view by the hood of the car.  LIBRELLE pedals over to BERG. 

LIBRELLE: Merg!    What’s all this secession talk?

BERG:  There are those who think that as a result of a couple of generations of geographic sorting, the nation’s differences are so great it’s time for an amicable divorce.  Let Blue America and Red America split up and try their luck as sovereign, ideally friendly, countries.

LIBRELLE:   Hah!  That’s treason!  Treason, I say!  We are one nation under Goddess, and the last time the traitors tried to leave the union the rest of us beat them back into line!

BERG:   So there should always be one nation.

LIBRELLE:  Absolutely.

BERG:   One set of federal laws.

LIBRELLE:   Yes.

BERG:   So you support cracking down on “sanctuary cities” that flout federal law for their own ideological reasons?

LIBRELLE:  [Visibly flinching] Racist!  Traitor!   Badthink!

BERG:   Hey – it’s the middle of February.  Those Nice Ride bikes were all taken off the road in November.

LIBRELLE:  Oh, it’s on my sister’s credit card, so it’s free.

And SCENE

Comforting The Comfortable, Afflicting The Afflicted

Posted on by
17

I don’t know about you – but these days, when a accusation of a “hate crime” gets massive, immediate coverage, I’ve started to assume it’s a hoax until proven otherwise.

Don’t get me wrong – hate crimes exist. But the more publicity the unproven allegations get, and the more lurid the charges against someone in a MAGA cap, the more likely it seems the whole story turns out to have all the substance and integrity or a Ryan Winkler presentation on Black History Month.

Jussie Who?:Three weeks ago, I had not heard of Jussie Smollett. I’ve never had occasion to watch Empire, and I doubt I ever will.

But when I heard the story of the “Hate Crime” that reached out and, per his story, caught him a few weeks ago, nothing, even to my rather cursory listening, seemed to add up.

Kyle Smith – not a cop, but rather a writer at National Review – noticed the same things, and has 27 questions for the “journalists” who presumed Smollett’s story – of “MAGA”-screaming rednecks who attacked him without really attacking him – was unassailably true.

8 . How likely do you think it is that attackers would shout, “This is MAGA country” in Chicago, a place that no one thinks is MAGA country?

There are 26 more – the sort of thing “journalists”, ostensibly being the curious sort, should have asked.

13. Don’t you think it strange that his attackers fled without much harming Smollett or robbing him?

14. Related to (13), did it not occur to you that the whole alleged attack looked a bit like the criminal equivalent of a press release, meant to send a message rather than accomplish anything?

15. If you were beaten up, would you somehow remember to pick up your Subway purchase afterward?

Goalposts Moved: Over the weekend, as Smollett’s story began to collapse, the narrative changed; Smollett’s actions weren’t themselves a publicity “hate crime” against deplorables; they were “starting a conversation”:

I don’t know about you, but I think Jussie Smollett, and especially all the #Resitance media sycophants who parroted the story because, if you hate the MAGAs, it’s just too good to fact-check, just made life a lot harder for people who actually do wind up on the wrong side of bigotry.

Other than deplorables, obviously.

Just Desserts

Posted on by
16

Attorneys representing Nick Sandman, the Covington Kid who was the subject of Big Left’s two minutes’ hate a couple weeks ago, have started the wheels rolling on lawsuits.

Over fifty of them:

“The legal counsel representing Nick and his family, Todd McMurtry and experienced libel and defamation lawyer L. Lin Wood of Atlanta, have said they will seek justice for the harm allegedly done to the teen,” The Enquirer reported. “McMurtry is with the law firm of Hemmer Defrank Wessels and has practiced law in Greater Cincinnati since 1991. He said a team of seven lawyers has been working full-time to review the media accounts of what happened.”
The letters come in response to the media’s smearing of Sandmann after a selectively edited clip of an incident on January 19, 2019, went viral that showed Sandmann standing face-to-face with Native American Nathan Phillips, who was beating a drum in Sandmann’s face.

The list of people and entities served includes:

  1. The Washington Post
  2. The New York Times
  3. Cable News Network, Inc. (CNN)
  4. The Guardian
  5. National Public Radio
  6. TMZ
  7. Atlantic Media Inc.
  8. Capitol Hill Publishing Corp.
  9. Diocese of Covington
  10. Diocese of Lexington
  11. Archdiocese of Louisville
  12. Diocese of Baltimore
  13. Ana Cabrera (CNN)
  14. Sara Sidner (CNN)
  15. Erin Burnett (CNN)
  16. S.E. Cupp (CNN)
  17. Elliot C. McLaughlin (CNN)
  18. Amanda Watts (CNN)
  19. Emanuella Grinberg (CNN)
  20. Michelle Boorstein (Washington Post)
  21. Cleve R. Wootson Jr. (Washington Post)
  22. Antonio Olivo (Washington Post)
  23. Joe Heim (Washington Post)
  24. Michael E. Miller (Washington Post)
  25. Eli Rosenberg (Washington Post)
  26. Isaac Stanley-Becker (Washington Post)
  27. Kristine Phillips (Washington Post)
  28. Sarah Mervosh (New York Times)
  29. Emily S. Rueb (New York Times)
  30. Maggie Haberman (New York Times)
  31. David Brooks (New York Times)
  32. Shannon Doyne
  33. Kurt Eichenwald
  34. Andrea Mitchell (NBC/MSNBC)
  35. Savannah Guthrie (NBC)
  36. Joy Reid (MSNBC)
  37. Chuck Todd (NBC)
  38. Noah Berlatsky
  39. Elisha Fieldstadt (NBC)
  40. Eun Kyung Kim
  41. HBO
  42. Bill Maher
  43. Warner Media
  44. Conde Nast
  45. GQ
  46. Heavy.com
  47. The Hill
  48. The Atlantic
  49. Bustle.com
  50. Ilhan Omar
  51. Elizabeth Warren
  52. Kathy Griffin
  53. Alyssa Milano
  54. Jim Carrey

Defamation cases are very hard to win. Justifiably so.

But I hope Sandmann cleans clock on this.

Virtue-Filing

Posted on by
4

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

If this law passes, you will be able to march down to the County Recorder and pay $46 to have them record your Affidavit of Virtue.
Well, that’s not the exact title.  It’s called “Discharge of Restrictive Covenant Affecting Protected Classes.”  It has no legal effect.  Restrictive covenants which discriminate against protected classes already are unenforceable, but by recording this form you can proclaim to the world that unenforceable restrictive covenants on your land are now double-plus-ungood.  You and your virtuous neighbors might want to put up lawn signs, get t-shirts printed, have block parties.  You could invite city council members and legislators to attend and congratulate you on your virtue.
In addition, I suspect the newspapers will publish names of people who have signaled their virtue by recording these forms, and also the names of racist, hateful curmudgeons like me who won’t spring $46 to record a document that does absolutely nothing.  So you’ll have that going for you.
I can hardly wait.
Joe Doakes

Sort of a like a PC loyalty oath.

This Is Modern Academia

Posted on by
7

Academic writing on foodie site:  “Foodie authenticity-snobbery is racist“.   The concept was good for a masters’ thesis, apparently, which is further evidence of the free fall of the modern academy.

Which occurs to me –  I’d like the writer and so-called “academic” – Sara Kay, which may be the most Brooklyn-hipster nom ever put to plume – to meet Twin Cities author and so-called “journalist” Sara Vogel, author of perhaps the most vapid-yet-vicious bits of autheticity-signaling I’ve ever read ,to get together and hash this out.

They can’t both be right, unless you’re a “progressive”.

The Covington Rohrschach Blob

Posted on by
13

Your opinion of what happened at the March for Life last weekend largely depends on your point of view on the Trump administration. You either…:

  • Watched the full two hours of video (or take the counsel of those who did) and have come to believe that that CNN edited the video maliciously, with full intent to defame a bunch of MAGA hats ahd the kids they were sitting on, or
  • believe that in abeyance of all the actual evidence, MAGA cap + white + Catholic private school = smug racist, evidence be damned

That’s Robby Soave’s conclusion over at Reason – the Covington Kids are a Rohrschach Blob that says more about the viewers and their opinions than they do about themselves.

But the most frustrating and worrying reactions have come from those who have convinced themselves that the extended video footage confirms their initial impressions. Of all the myriad examples of this, perhaps none is more contemptible than the effort by Deadspin‘s Laura Wagner, who writes, “Don’t Doubt What You Saw With Your Own Eyes.” Wagner accuses the Covington kids’ defenders—me among them—of “siding with some shithead MAGA teens and saying that 2+2=5 in the face of every bit of evidence there is to be had.”
But I know what I saw, and I think I know what Wagner saw, too. She saw a group of white teens wearing MAGA hats who had just engaged in partisan political activity on behalf of a cause she opposes (this last detail is more than sufficient on its own to convict the teens, according to several prominent progressive feminists). And that was enough.

Of course, this country – and by “This country” I mean “mobs of entitled bobbleheads spurred on by the agenda-driven parts of our idiot media” – have a dismal record of seeking truth:

In writing and speaking about this, I have drawn parallels to the Rolling Stone/University of Virginia gang rape hoax of 2014, which provides a powerful example of mainstream media getting a story very wrong in ways that permanently damaged the magazine’s reputation.
But in the less insane media world of 2014, at least the Rolling Stone debunking was accepted by pretty much everyone. When friends of “Jackie,” the alleged rape victim, came forward to help clarify that her alleged attacker did not exist, and was in fact a persona she had invented in order to catfish them, I don’t remember many major pundits sticking their fingers in their ears and pretending not to hear this.
The ongoing effort to pretend that videos of boys doing pep rally type cheers in opposition to a hate group is in fact evidence of deep-seated racism makes me wonder whether Rolling Stone truther-ism would have been much more common had the story come out in 2019.

Things are getting much, much worse out there.

Pour Le Encourager Les Autres”

Posted on by
6

Black transgender Minneapolis City Councilor was chastised by a barista at a southside coffee shop. The barista, who apparently didn’t know his place on the intersectional plantation, was sacked.

A friend of the blog writes, quoting the Strib  article:

“My intent is to help them and the broader community understand each other’s roles and how to be better community members.”
But, don’t take time to understand the new barista and what he might have thought. Don’t take any moment at all. Just fire him. That’ll make him understand his role..

Intersectional gobbledigook and virtue-defense follows in the Strib article.

I get the intended sarcasm – but yes. It did convey the role, if not of the barista, then of every other person living and working in Minneapolis. “For the encouragement of the others”.

Posted on by
1

Disclosure: the pieces from the , which may as well be a click bait site these days.

On the other hand, there is nothing about what we know about political correctness, especially in the modern school and academic systems, that smells wrong in any way.

The principal at a New York performing arts high school ordered all Nazi symbol is removed from the stage…

… of the play The Sound of Music. Which – if you’ve never seen it – was set in Nazi occupied Austria:

The principal at the elite “Fame” school, Lisa Mars, ordered Nazi flags and symbols removed from the stage set of the beloved tale of the Von Trapp family, who fled the Nazis from their native Austria as Adolf Hitler took power, students told the Daily News.

Now, there’s an old saying; “if something seems too good to be true, it probably is”. So this ext graf – In which a 15-year-old high school kid would seem to have gotten it right…:

“This is a very liberal school, we’re all against Nazis,” one sophomore performer told The News about the fuhrer furor. “But to take out the symbol is to try to erase history.

… is perfectly likely to turn out to be false. But I do hope kids are smarter about history than the adults who run most of the educational/industrial complex today.

I hope Dash indeed, I pray – that it’s true.

‘Splain Me This

Posted on by
11

Ever wonder what the protcol is for explaining things to women, if you’re a man, without being accused of “mansplaining”?

A professor – I know, contain your shock, right – heard your, er, “plea”:

Er, yeah, Ms. Goodwin. I’m sure you did.

Anyway, here’s the chart.

Apparently in Ms. Goodwin’s world, people grow infallible with experience, and should not be questioned by (male) underlings (no word if it cuts both ways – if a woman with less experience should “just stop talking now” when the guy outranks her?

As Dennis Prager says, it takes an elite education to be this stupid…

Rena Moran And The Pro-Mutilation Lobby

Posted on by
8

In the last session, legislation that would have added penalties to parents for subjecting their daughters to “female circumcision” – more accurately called “genital mutilation” – passed by a near-unanimous margin in the House, but stalled in the Senate.  The DFLers who opposed the bill carried out the wishes of the far-left “there are no bad cultural traditions in a multicultural society!” crowd, who believe that further regulating the practice of forever crushing a young female’s chance of enjoying sex would keep families from going to the doctor, lead to troubles with immigration authorities, and push the barbaric practice even farther underground.

Not sure I remember having the same deference to Christian parents who were also snake-handlers.  I’ll have to look into that.

The practice is illegal in Minnesota – but taking children to one of the 23 states where it’s not is currently a loophole under Minnesota law.

Mary Franson, the author of the last bill, is back – and pushing it into the face of the multi-culti majority in the House:

Rep. Mary Franson, an Alexandria Republican, said Friedman’s ruling underscores the need for her bill, which passed the House 124-4 in 2017, but never got a vote or hearing in the Senate in the 2017 or 2018 sessions. The Michigan case was the impetus for her bill.

“I will never stop fighting for the safety of little girls, and will keep working to put an end to this barbaric practice and punish parents who subject their daughters to these horrors,” she said in a statement.

Franson is asking for hearings on the bill with the House Health and Human Services Committee.

The committee is chaired by Rena Moran – one of the four DFLers who voted against the bill in the house during the last session.

So the question becomes:  will Rena Moran be standing up for the rights of parents to mutilate their children?

A Brief Absence Of PC Misery To Us, One And All

Posted on by
3

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

Before “A Christmas Carol,” the holiday of Christmas in the English-speaking world was nothing to get excited about.  The important event in Christianity was rising from the dead, at Easter.

We know, of course, that Catholics hyped Christmas in pagan lands to compete with the winter solstice, adopted the Tanenbaum as the Christmas Tree, and somehow conflated the stories of King Wenceslas, Bishop Nicholas, Father Christmas and Kris Kringle into Santa Claus, made famous in America by the Coca Cola advertising campaign.

It’s our last surviving holiday.  Easter is too Christian, Fourth of July is too jingoistic, Halloween is offensive to Wiccans, Thanksgiving – don’t even get me started on cultural genocide.  Christmas – with Frosty and Rudolph and the Grinch – brings back childhood memories of a time when there was magic in the world and if you could stay awake late enough, you’d see Santa with your own eyes.

That’s why Christmas decorations appear in the stores before Halloween, why Christmas sales make or break retailers, and why Christmas credit card debt is the leading cause of family stress leading to February bankruptcies and divorces . . . we’re desperately trying to hang onto one thin sliver of happiness, one day of relief from the endless grinding politically correct bullshit all the rest of the year, trying to escape the lives people lived before “A Christmas Carol.”

The capacity of the American Left to impose misery on their fellow humans – and to get their little dollop of joy from it – may be the thing that bothers me the most about progressives; see also Public Radio’s six week long annual litany of holiday miseries that commenced on Friday.

Faded Glory

Posted on by
6

I’ve wanted for years if the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) shouldn’t, in the interest of intellectual honesty, change its name to the “Manhattan, San Francisco and other Blue cities Civil Liberties Union”. It’s been that long since they represented civil liberties that weren’t popular/convenient among that set.

Classic example Dash they think the “Heller” decision was just a big mistake, and that “US vs. Miller” should still be the defining president regarding the Second Amendment.

David Bernstein at Reason agrees:

Since the George W. Bush administration, the ACLU’s dedication to its traditional civil libertarian mission has waned ever further. With the election of Donald Trump, its membership rolls have grown to almost two million, almost all of them liberal politically, few of whom are devoted to civil liberties as such. Meanwhile, the left in general has become less interested in, and in some cases opposed to, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the rights of the accused.

Future historians will have to reconstruct exactly how and why the tipping point has been reached, but the ACLU’s actions over the last couple of months show that the ACLU is no longer a civil libertarian organization in any meaningful sense, but just another left-wing pressure group, albeit one with a civil libertarian history.

Next, you’ll be telling me that the Southern Poverty Law Center has become more of a hate group then the groups it used to track…

Convictions

Posted on by
9

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

A colleague at work is a Liberal who buys into all the progressive talking points. I keep wanting to ask: “So, when’s your last day?”

Look, if you didn’t earn your job but instead it was handed to you on account of your race, then you don’t deserve to keep it. And in a country with such a shameful history of racial injustice, surely a person of conscience would have the self-dignity to resign so a less qualified but more morally deserving person have the job.

I’ll do you the courtesy of assuming you are an honorable person who has the courage of your convictions and will act on them. Because if not, then you’re just a hypocrite mouthing platitudes to signal your virtue while actively working against everything you claim to believe.

So, when’s your last day?

Conscience is so very very malleable these days…

Our Common Enemy

Posted on by
1

Diversity is not, in and of itself, strength (as the multi-cultis claim); diversity lends strength to shared beliefs.

And while cultural conservatives lament the commonalities  our society seems to have lost, perhaps we’re gaining a new one:

Americans hate PC:

On social media, the country seems to divide into two neat camps: Call them the woke and the resentful. Team Resentment is manned—pun very much intended—by people who are predominantly old and almost exclusively white. Team Woke is young, likely to be female, and predominantly black, brown, or Asian (though white “allies” do their dutiful part). These teams are roughly equal in number, and they disagree most vehemently, as well as most routinely, about the catchall known as political correctness.

Reality is nothing like this. As scholars Stephen Hawkins, Daniel Yudkin, Miriam Juan-Torres, and Tim Dixon argue in a report published Wednesday, “Hidden Tribes: A Study of America’s Polarized Landscape,” most Americans don’t fit into either of these camps. They also share more common ground than the daily fights on social media might suggest—including a general aversion to PC culture.

The whole thing is worth a read.

PC – like smug white progressivism itself – seems to be tied to income and education; there seems to be a correlation between being able to afford to feel “white guilt” and inflicting it on others.

Which, to be fair, is something anyone traveling through leftist circles in Minneapolis could tell you easily.