Stealth Gun Control
By Mitch Berg
Posited in advance: to paraphrase Scott Glenn’s “Bart Mancuso” Fred Thompson’s “Admiral Painter” from Hunt for Red October, bureaucracies don’t take a dump without someone writing down a policy beforehand. Bureaucrats that try to tend to get in trouble.
Background: Early (earlier?) in the Obama Administration the Department of Homeland Security drew immense – and utterly justified – scrutiny for compiling a list of “extremists” and “potential terrorists” that, oddly, included just about everyone in the US that wasn’t a likely Obama constituent?
And remember how the left assures us that Obama, pinkie swear, doesn’t support gun control?
A number of MOB blogs got this email, from a longtime friend of the MOB. Derek at Freedom Dogs wrote it up first:
I wanted to switch gears and mention a note I got from a friend last night about vets and concealed carry, or simply carry permits as they are known here in Minnesota. This was on my mind because just yesterday, I went down to the Hennipen County Sherrif’s office to apply for a permit along with a friend of mine who took the carry permit course with me. Simple process really and we should recieve them in about 30 days.Here is the note I got from a friend who I trust. If you are a vet, you are under the lens of scrutiny but don’t be “stressed” about it:
I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found something very interesting.
I would like to pass along.. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions.
(1. Did I feel stressed?)
(2. Did I feel threatened?)
(3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?)
The nurse then informed me, if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I could have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.
I am a Viet Nam vet and 15 year cc permit holder. Looks like they are going after us vets.”
Be forewarned and be aware. If you know veterans, you may want to pass this on to them.
So pass it around.
Remember – in Minnesota (and most Shall-Issue states), the sheriff has to find an affirmative reason, defensible (in Minnesota) in court, to reject your permit application or renewal. And the key reasons come from government databases. And if the government is actively trying to set peoples’ “caution” flags to give more governments more reasons to justify denying more permits…
I’ll be calling the VA to try to get to the bottom of this.
And if you’re a veteran who’s answered this question, I’d love to know if the potential consequences are being consistently explained to people. I’ll be checking with the VA on that, too.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
It was Fred Thompson said that, I think, Mitch, not Scott Glenn. On a carrier somewhere, smoking a cig, talking to Ryan.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Wow, Derek from Freedom Dogs heard a VA nurse interpreting Obama adminstration policy? What’s to get to the bottom of? PANIC, WINGNUTS! IT’S WHAT YOU DO BEST!
June 8th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Angryclown reread. Apparenlty it’s Freedom Dogs’ Derek, all right. But he’s just passing along an anonymous VA patient’s account of the VA nurse’s legal opinion.
Definitely time for a Defcon 1 freak-out, wingnuts!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
First they come for your seltzer bottle…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
an anonymous VA patient’s account of the VA nurse’s legal opinion.
Definitely time for a Defcon 1 freak-out, wingnuts!
Hence the followup.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Gee, Obama’s DHS stooge Janet puts out a memo to law enforcement basically stating that veterans are potential terrorists and one of them wants to remain anonymous. Simply unbelievable.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
We’ll look forward to the follow-up report.
Just wondering if there’s ever been an SitD follow-up that saw the light of day after failing to confirm the doomsday scenario promised in the original.
Like that huge pro-Bush rally of Arab immigrants that was ignored by the mainstream media for the obviously biased reason that it never happened?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Am I the only one who can picture Clownie bowing to Obama?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Am I the only one who can picture Clownie bowing to Obama?
Yes, most of us picture him using kneepads.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Mitch wrote:
Background: Early (earlier?) in the Obama Administration the Department of Homeland Security drew immense – and utterly justified – scrutiny for compiling a list of “extremists” and “potential terrorists” that, oddly, included just about everyone in the US that wasn’t a likely Obama constituent?”
There are two problems with this – the first, that there were two, not one, study aka list of extremists that were thought to have a potential for terrorist-style violence; the study which you reference in terms of conservative extremists got a lot of attention but the other study was just as suspicious of liberal extremists, and contained similar lists. The second problem is that while the list(s) came out under the auspices of the Obama Admin Homeland Sec., they were BOTH compiled under the previous Bush administration, just not released pending final review.
Both extremist lists appear to have the quiet support of the security and intelligence analysts of both administrations – agreeing for a change on something. It doesn’t take an act of ‘rocket surgery’ to note that we have had episodes of domestic terrorism in the past, from both groups and lone-acting individuals. McVeigh in Oklahoma comes to mind because of the quantity of damage and loss; but there are many smaller episodes, including those from animal rights extremists that produce serious damage and injury but get less notice. The variation in scope, or the side of the extreme, does not alter that the acts themselves are terrorist, defining by terrorist that they are violent, and intended to cause compliance with the extreme view by inciting fear to not comply.
I would put both the recent murder of Dr. Tiller in Kansas as an example of lone domestic terrorism, and also the murder of a soldier, Pvt. Long, outside of a recruitment center in Arkansas by a muslim extremist as examples. Both substitute violent acts to enforce their ideas on others, rather than using lawful, nonviolent means to gain agreement from others.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
“So pass it around.”
Sorry, not gonna do it. I have a renter, an Iraqi/Afghan War vet who has PTSD. Does he have a C&C permit? I don’t know. Would I advise him to punt on those questions in a medical exam? No way.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Charlie, have you reported him to DHS yet?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
There is a good comment in here trying to get out.
Law enforcement & internal intelligence tends to work best against terrorism when it is applied to large networks of subversive individuals. It works less well when it is applied to plots by individuals or small groups of subversives. This is as it should be.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
AC peeps out from his MSM bubble and demands proof of . . . what exactly? That Iraq was chock full o’ WMD’s? That Bush was spying on Americans, or waterboarding natural democrat constituencies? Or maybe that Rumsfeld was putting Bible verses on briefing docs?
Whatever, clown dude. Your concerns have been noted. In any event, snopes has confirmed the authenticity of at least one anti-fascist document:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp
June 9th, 2009 at 6:30 am
At this point, I’m guessing viral rumor. But that’s just a guess — there have been things that appear to be too bad to be true that have turned out to be true, but mostly not.
To be clear: I’m not at all disputing that Derek heard what he says he heard. He said he did; that settles that. Whether or not there’s any there there, though, is another matter.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:56 am
I got that email too, Mitch. But I’ve been to the VA 7 times in the last month and a half, both the clinic in Rochester and the main hospital in Minneapolis. Not only have I not been asked those questions, I haven’t been asked anything like them.
While it’s possible that a trip to mental health services might be where this survey appears, it doesn’t seem to be used otherwise. I have a VFW meeting tonight, I’ll ask around there.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:35 am
As I noed, I’ll be confirming.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Ever think of confirming before publishing?
Betraying my “MSM bubble” again, eh Terry?
BTW, must have missed your post supporting Angryclown when he linked to Snopes to debunk the “Al Gore claims he invented the Internet” canard a week ago.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Angry, you don’t get to claim vindication just because you are occasionally correct. Even a blind monkey can hit blackjack every now and then.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Especially against a bunch of wingnuts who stand when they get to 11.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Speaking of gambling, I won the Superfecta, $1 = $426.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Apart from the inaccuracy, I find the following bit just a tad unjustified, not to mention paranoid on the part of those who viewed the Obama administration as out to get them.
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On top of which, it turns out the reports correctly identified the kinds of violence we just saw in Kansas and Arkansas, the perpetrators, and their motives.
What, no high five for them getting it right? I suppose not….
June 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Terry says:
snopes confirms the attribution of:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp >>
So, was the person the author wanted Obama to denounce for wanting our country to fail….. Rush? (midway down the letter) Limbo is the only one who has been making that precise statement at length…..
June 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
“Limbo is the only one who has been making that precise statement at length….. ”
When has Limbaugh made the “precise” statement that he wanted “our country to fail”?
June 9th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
OH MY GOD, this guy I know says that some other guy (anonymous) told him he heard some Republican (anonymous) say that they plan to start shooting abortion doctors right away. Pass it around, I’ll confirm it later, maybe.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
“# Kermit Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Am I the only one who can picture Clownie bowing to Obama?”
Kermit: insert an “L” and drop eliminate the “to” and I think you’ve got it pretty much right.