To download an app to my device that’d allow government to track my every move (even more effectively than they already can), and keep that information in custody of people who can’t even deliver data-access apps on time and on budget, much less secure things like personal data?
Or not to?
I’ll take “not”, thanks.
You won’t download it because you don’t care about other people. I bet you don’t wear a mask, either.
You are literally Hitler.
The CDC says that contact tracing will not work in place where is “sustained ongoing transmission.”
In other words, the more you need it to work, the less it can help you.
Because being identified as a contact carries a high cost (isolation), people are incentivized NOT to cooperate with contact tracers, or to give them false information.
The above is blindingly obvious and has been known since last Spring.
Yet you still see public health officials & politicians & media pushing the idea that contact tracing is workable in the US and that we need more of it.
Stupidest. Elites. Ever.
“ The CDC says that contact tracing will not work in place where is “sustained ongoing transmission.”
That’s the old CDC. The new CDC says it will work as long as people are permanently marked…with a number, maybe.
The old Fauchi said kids are super spreaders. The new Fauchi says kids should be in school.
Seeing as how this is part of contact tracing, which ties into health data, does it not then fall under HIPPA? Or, does a user click those rights away in the Terms and Conditions?
Not that there would be any consequences for breaking the law. I’d just like to make anyone that deals with the data have to sit through the same HIPPA certification that I got to sit through annually.
Federal laws protecting patient rights to medical data, and even the federal constitution protecting fundamental rights to religion and political assembly, can be temporarily suspended by local governors during the Peacetime Emergency arising from the greatest threat to humanity ever known: the Covid-19 virus. They must be, otherwise the Constitution becomes a mutual suicide pact.
Being a Minnesotan in 2020 is like being a suspected terrorist: you can be detained indefinitely without charges and without a trial. But it’s for your own good, so it’s fine.
“Why Contact Tracing Efforts Have Failed to Curb Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Transmission in Much of the United States”
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1155/5881818
Long story short: in the US, where both culture and the constitution provide protections against the arbitrary demands of the state, contact tracing can not work.
I will not pick up the phone if I get a call from anyone not on my contact list, and the MDH ain’t on it.
I downloaded the app. I volunteer to be the canary in the coal mine. So far, no action.
“We are from the government and we are here to help.” – what is wrong with THAT, people? Don’t you have faith that government only has what’s best for you in mind? That everything is done for the greater good?
FYI, if you arrive in Hawaii, a member of the NG will take your temperature, collect a health questionaire, and call you using the number you have provided, in order to make certain you didn’t give them a fake #.
There is no advantage to you in giving the state the power to put you under house arrest for two weeks.
My company got everyone in it a company cell phone so they could force the employees back into the office and factories. They have these contact tracing apps on them so it appears that they’re “being proactive” in protecting our health, so I’m living this “health theatre” right now. Nobody who understands Bluetooth LE has any illusion that this contact detection is effective, but decision makers not understanding technology is nothing new. The folks peddling these apps have other reasons to peddle them rather than effectiveness (like getting companies to buy lots of new cell phones *sigh*).
The practical effect for white collar “individual contributors” like me is totally minimal. I work in a fabric box anyway and I rarely get out and talk to anybody. Working from home would be far better, but the CEO is a nut about how much “office teamwork” matters. Yeah, right, he’s not done engineering. I get a task and I resent the interruptions that interactions with humans entail that delay my completing it on the insane schedules management sets.
Heck, I’d love a false positive on exposure to someone from those apps. I could isolate and work from home and be about 65% more productive. Everyone up my management chain knows that their R&D employees are more productive working from home, and they have the data from earlier this year to show it, but as we know, facts and data don’t always matter when it comes to corporate management.
On the plus side, I now have no reason to have a data plan on my personal phone anymore, or anything other than a basic low-call plan. And I have every incentive to (ab)use my corporate plan for data consumption as well as for catching up on the interminable meetings that run 4+ hours while running errands. I’ve gone to a pay-per-use personal plan and it’s saving me about $40/month. Still, if I could get rid of the data mongering, I would.
It is a trivial exercise to spoof your location. Look it up on your search engine of choice. You can pick any location you like. What will the app do when your phone reports that it is on Howland island?
Once you can track the physical positions of all your citizens without judicial review, imagine the fun ways that info could be used:
Send all of your contacts a notification that you have entered an abortion clinic. To fight terrorism!
Don’t think that I am joking. The tech companies have a lot of information about you, almost certainly more than you believe possible. And they have entire divisions that sell that data, that is how they make their money. Your info is their product. They would love to have a deep-pocket customer like law enforcement on the books, and are courting them heavily.