They’ve Got Questions. I’ve Got Answers.

“Hey, Mitch – why does anyone need a magazine with more than six or seven shots? Future president Joe Biden assures us two is all you need!”

I’m going to answer you with a question. Several, actually.

First: are you ever going to be attacked by someone who wants to kill you, then and there? If you answer “I have no idea“, that’s a perfectly valid, honest answer. Violent attacks – robberies, kidnappings, rapes, aggravated assaults, spree killings, terror attacks – are exceptionally rare. Rarer still if you have no criminal record, don’t associate with criminals, and don’t work in a business where a lot of criminals are part of the clientele. That accounts for the vast majority of people.

Not a single person who gets robbed, kidnapped, raped, suffers a home invasion, or is at a location where a spree killer decides to stage their blaze of glory, woke up that morning thinking “I bet I’m going to be the target of a violent incident today!“ Did they?

Second: if the person decides to attack you with the lethal force we mentioned above, and you decide to defend yourself, how hard is it going to be the end the threat to your life?: impossible to predict, right? Many robberies, assaults and rapes, and even a few spree killings , have been ended by a good guy pulling out a gun, with no shots fired. Sometimes an attacker falls over unconscious, or dead, after a punch to the face. On the other hand there are records of people who’ve been shot 20 times and still had the strength to shoot, stab or hit before they bled out. I know one story of a woman who barricaded herself and her kids in an attic during a home invasion; when the guy broke into the attic, she shot at him six times at a range of 2 feet, hitting them five times in the face and head – and he lived without a lot of complications ( other than a lengthy prison sentence). Alcohol, drugs and mental illness all affect this as well – drunk people are harder to deter from doing stupid things; people who are extremely high may not experience pain, even pain from a gunshot wound. There are cases of people who were very, very high who never noticed they’d been shot until they bled to death.

So the question is: how many shots (if it’s a gun you choose) will it take to stop one person from following through on trying to murder you? The answer, given the evidence we have seen above, is “0 to 20 shots – maybe”.

Bear in mind that, under stress, almost nobody hits their target with every shot. Even at close range. Even if you practice shooting a lot (although that helps) the police, in self-defense situations, hit with an average of about one shot in every six. Put another way, the police fire an average of 17 shots to end an engagement.

So – you don’t know how many hits you’re going to need to end a lethal or threat to you (or your family, or innocent bystanders), and you don’t know how many shots that you fire are going to hit the person who is trying to kill you.

That’s with one attacker.

Which brings us to the third question

Third: how many people will be trying to kill, Rob, attack, rape or kidnap you?: The scenarios above are predicated on one attacker. Can you predict how many people are going to attack you?

In my city, a few years back, there was a series of home invasions. Four people would break into a house, violently subdue any occupants who were present, and take what they wanted.

Nobody died in that series of incidents – but other home invasions do lead to murder, almost always murder of unarmed people.

Remember – none of the victims woke up that morning thinking “I bet I’m going to have a violent home invasion today”.

Now – if you hear somebody kick in your door in at midnight, ask yourself – how many of them are there? Are they armed? Are they drunk or on some sort of mind altering substance that warps their perception of risk, danger, and/or pain? How will they react to someone resisting (or not resisting)?

You are not going to know. All you know is that there is a potentially lethal threat to your life down there. Maybe the sound of a pistol racking up will send all of them scampering from your house. Or maybe the sight of one of them falling over, gushing blood after you shoot one of them will send them running.

Or maybe you pull out your six shooter, and fire all six shots of the first attacker you see – leaving you holding an empty revolver while robbers two, three, and four come at you with baseball bats, ice picks and a shotgun.

So the answer to your question is “When we are responsible for defending ourselves, our families and our community from a violent threat to our lives and we can’t predict who is going to carry out that attack, how many of them there will be, and what it will take to deter/stop them, we want a magazine that is less likely to run out of ammunition before the attacker runs out of attack”.

I hope that answers your question.

9 thoughts on “They’ve Got Questions. I’ve Got Answers.

  1. Reading this made me think of the great Ron White line: “I didn’t know how many cops it was going to take to kick my ass. But I knew how many they were going to use.”

  2. Since this is a gun thread, might as well hijack it so we have someplace to comment for the weekend.

    The Left has resurrected the Ghost Gun scare. The 16 year old kid who shot students at Saugus School supposedly used a .45 pistol that was assembled from a kit which anybody can buy over the internet and assemble into a real, working gun, without any license or background check at all. The local Sheriff was on TV saying an unregistered, untraceable gun is very dangerous. The Left is on its hobby horse again, must ban ’em at once.

    1. It is not illegal to build your own gun, it’s been lawful since before the Revolutionary War. What’s illegal is selling a gun that lacks a serial number.

    2. Modern guns like the .45 ACP that John Wayne used, are modular. You can take off the barrel and replace it. You can take off the slide, trigger, grips, and replace them. If you can replace all the parts, then what is the essential part that makes it a “gun?” Where do you put the serial number on a “gun?” On the frame. That’s the only part the BATF considers to be a “gun.”

    3. If I sell you a lump of aluminum that has no serial number, is it a crime? No, not until it’s usable as the frame of a gun. BATF has decided that a frame which less than 80% complete is not a working firearm and doesn’t need a serial number. It’s just a hunk of metal, anybody can buy it, no license, costs about $100. Then you buy the rest of the parts and attach them to the frame to build a working gun. Building a car by purchasing all the parts retail from Auto Max is not cheap. Neither is building a gun from parts purchased at retail.

    4. An 80% complete frame still requires 20% machining before it can be assembled into a working firearm. The buyer must machine the trigger well, polish the feed ramp, precisely drill the holes for retaining pins. How many people who are prohibited from possessing firearms (felons, kids, crazies) are capable of, or willing to, put in the effort to manufacture a firearm rather than purchase or steal a real firearms elsewhere? Buy the jigs, buy the machine tools, set up the workshop, all to build a gun that’s more expensive and less precisely manufactured? Why not buy a real one from a buddy, or a criminal?

    5. The boy’s father had lots of guns, failed a mental health exam of some sort, had all his guns seized and destroyed. Sounds like a Red Flag deal but I can’t confirm it. After the shooting, police searched the boy’s house and found several more guns, apparently acquired after the Red Flag order. Did the father acquire them, or the boy? Neither person legal to buy guns, whether or not the guns had serial numbers. The Red Flag law did not prevent this crime. And now we know the answer to the above question – people who can’t legally acquire guns, illegally acquire them, whether or not the guns have serial numbers.

    6. Ghost guns are used in a vanishingly small number of crimes. When serial numbered guns are used, the traces seldom produce useful results and are practically never prosecuted. Stamping a number on a gun doesn’t stop a criminal or a crazy from shooting someone with it. Neither does lacking a serial number. The number is completely irrelevant to the shooter’s conduct.

    7. I’m personally terrified of things that go Bang, including guns and firecrackers and bottle rockets, so I would never own one. But I can’t see that a ban on kit guns will do much to slow down gun crime. Sounds like typical Leftist hype – long on emotion, short on logic. I expect Amy and Ilhan to jump all over it.

  3. I bet a vaping device could be altered with parts from a 3D printer to become an assault vaping device. Better write that into the bans while we have the pen out.

  4. While you have the vaping pen out, right, NW? :^)

    Good points on “ghost guns” and the family involved by Joe. Perhaps a quick way of summing it up is; if you’re not going to be enforcing the gun laws that even the NRA supports, and which if enforced might have prevented a crime, why do you endorse laws that the NRA would not support, and which if enforced would not have prevented a crime?

    Part #2; we might infer that there are reasons that people pay a premium for well-designed and manufactured firearms by companies like Glock, Kimber, H&K, and the like, and we might be glad that criminals in general do not get their hands on them. It leads to (sniff, wipes eye) stories with a happy ending.

  5. Ghost guns… sheesh.

    Is there like a marketing firm that specializes in coming up with scary-but-actually-meaningless nicknames for items in the world of firearms? I mean, the standard is, of course, the “Assault Rifle”. Or, as I remember the MSM hawking the Big Problem of “Saturday Night Specials” back in the 60s.

  6. A friend of mine is into cap and ball and muzzle loaders for hunting. He can get complete kits for those types of guns shipped right to his house. Since they don’t take cartridges and can’t be modified to do so, they are exempt from the requirement to ship to an FFL. Of course, should a rapid fire version of those types of guns be developed…😂

  7. If it is a black powder gun, it wouldn’t make a good murder weapon. Cap and ball pistols are best loaded just before use, or the powder might get damp. Loading a cap and ball pistol takes considerably longer and requires more manual dexterity than putting cartridges in a modern gun. It’s like putting a puzzle together, good luck doing it if you are drunk.
    If the cap and ball pistol is a revolver, you need to seal the chambers with grease after loading it, or all five or six chamber may go off when you fire the first round.
    Between the black powder and the grease, shooting a cap and ball gun is messy and stinky. Under the right conditions, you get a flame that shoots out about six feet with each shot. The smoke is thick and attaches itself to fabric. The residue is corrosive, so you have to clean the gun thoroughly after shooting it.
    The impulse of black powder is lower than smokeless, so to get decent muzzle velocity you have to have a long, heavy barrel. Those things are big and heavy, very difficult to conceal.
    Nevertheless, the cap and ball pistol and rifle are a whole lot better than the unrifled flintlocks they replaced.

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