We’re Told This Never Happens

Man uses AR15 to repel a violent home invasion:

The masked teens — a 15-year-old and two 16-year-olds — approached three residents around 4 a.m. Monday at the front yard of a home just outside Conyers and tried to rob them, the Rockdale County Sheriff’s Office said.
One of the would-be robbers took out a gun and fired shots at them before one of the residents returned fire, authorities said.
“The victims of the attempted robbery were all uninjured, but the three attempted robbery suspects were all shot during the exchange of gunfire and succumbed to their injuries, one on scene and two at a local hospital after being transported,” the sheriff’s department said in a news release.

Many media outlets are omitting the fact that the teens went into the robbery blazing away with handguns, trying to spin this story as “Man kills teenagers with a black rifle1”.

Given the increasing number of home invasions and group robberies (see also: downtown Minneapolis) going on, it’s useful to remember that military weapon designs are designed, not to “kill as many people as possible”, but to not ever jam, and not run out of bullets before your attacker runs out of attack.

Mission accomplished.

18 thoughts on “We’re Told This Never Happens

  1. I think there’s something off about this case. Three residents outside a home at 4am. 4am? And for what? Then, three teenagers w/ guns show up to rob them at 4am. Wut?

  2. Yea, the time is pretty weird, but maybe they were going to work, leaving for a trip or just get up early. I’m up at 4:00 a.m. every day, including weekends, because that’s how my body clock is wired. Most days, I’m out the door walking my dog by 4:15.

    My question would be, what were the yutes doing out at 4:00 a.m. when most of them are causing trouble between midnight and 2:00 a.m.?

  3. jdm, that is true, but all that proves is that the homeowner might have been a fan of Jeff Foxworthy, if you catch my drift.

    And of course: sniff. I love it when a story has a happy ending.

  4. ‘s’all true, bike. Nary a disagreement. I’m just concerned that there’s something about this that might it a less good example of a defensive gun use. Perhaps even a bad example.

  5. Pop quiz. Okay, self-defense law experts. If this incident had occurred in Minnesota, what result?

  6. Much as John Choi or Mike Freeman might be on the party bandwagon for gun control, I doubt they’d charge for anything unless they had a meaningful observation of malevolence that usurped the basic detail that masked robbers fired their handguns in robbery attempt…. you get to self defend for that, and they know that.

  7. @jdm, the residents weren’t said to be outside. There were 3 folks in the house according to the report; it says nothing about them being outside. As for the guy being outside at 4am, he’s a truck driver and if you know them, they drive at unusual hours to avoid rush hour traffic jams if they can (when you get paid by the mile, not by the hour, and your hours of driving are limited you tend to favor avoiding traffic jams as much as possible).

    That said, even if all the residents were outside and dealing drugs, they still have the right to defend themselves from lethal threats from robbers.

    I love in the report how the relatives were across the street saying that the hooded and masked “little teens” shooting at the man shouldn’t have been killed, and at most should have been shot at once. The fact that two of them made it down the road should have been a hint the guy in the house wasn’t going crazy. And to top it off, having the guy who moved from Chicago say that this was what he was trying to get away from was classic.

  8. @jdm, you should notice that CNN paraphased the WSB report in a way that made it look like the residents were outside. WSB didn’t report it that way.

    What? You should be as “shocked, shocked!” as I am that CNN would word a story so as to make a legitimate self defense use of an “assault weapon” look questionable!

  9. The prevailing sentiment seems to be “They shot at me so I have a legal right to shoot back in self-defense.”

    Georgia is a Stand Your Ground state. Minnesota is not. Would that change your analysis?

  10. ^ In the absence of some other provocative details, shooting when you’re shot at is credible to the point that it would be hard to prosecute. Your ability to retreat in any event is nill at that moment.

  11. Joe, I sure know that I’d have trouble convicting unless the facts turned out to be very different. You’ve got perps firing into a house, appears to be frame and won’t stop bullets, and somehow I’m supposed to expect that the homeowner should just sit there and wait to get hit?

    That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hennepin or Ramsey DAs might tend to prosecute this, since the perps died in the yard and/or in the street. We might even find that the Georgia DAs press charges if most of the wounds are in the back. That’s entering that weird zone where the homeowner can’t quite retreat–he’s already in his home but that won’t stop bullets–and where he suspects he hit the perps, but doesn’t know. Does he let them go and risk them coming back, or does he fire a few more rounds?

  12. Yes, a householder can shoot those guys and expect to not get charged.

    I would not have understood that to be a terrible neighborhood…. that cant be random.

    I would have thought that handguns substantial enough to properly pistol whip someone are out of fashion on the street… can you pistol whip someone with a Raven?

  13. The rule I learned in permit class was that anyone who indicates they intend to commit a felony in your home is basically fair game, but outside, the rules are more complicated. Has to be immediate threat/hard to retreat/no lesser force will do/force stops when threat stops. In this case, they were armed and invading, so that’s met unless there’s some serious proof he wasn’t actually facing a threat.

  14. Curious.

    Whenever a Negro youth gets blown away, every family member to the 2nd generation shows up at the crime scene within minutes to scream, wail and blame wypipul.

    Where was all that support while shorty was turning into a hood rat? How can they be so ignorant when he’s out doing drive-by’s, but know immediately when a robbery goes wrong?

  15. Saw a piece on a leftist website claiming right wing “white supremacist” web sites were punching fake news, claiming it was a Somali gang.

    Nope. Just a pack of home grown feral Negro youths.

    That makes all the difference.

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