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North Carolina congressman starts the ball rolling on carry permit reciproity:

Rep. Richard Hudson, R-North Carolina, says he is preparing legislation that would allow those with concealed carry permits in their state to cross state lines.

According to the Daily Caller, Hudson’s legislation would allow people with a state-issued concealed carry license to carry a handgun to any other state that allows concealed carry if the person is not banned from possessing or transporting a firearm by federal law.

For your less logically gifted liberal friends, what this means is this:  people who have proven that they have clean criminal records, and often training in self-defense law will have their carry permits recognized by other states, just like drivers licenses.  These are people whose crime rate is two orders of magnitude less than then general public; the record over thfis past twenty years, in every single state, shows that carry permittees are vastly, vastly safer per capita, than the general public.

Of course, the Dems will filibuster it in the Senate, if it comes up to a vote there.

Let them.  Record every worfd for 2018.   Non-urban Demcoxrats will go extinct.

21 thoughts on “Faster

  1. I have a concern that this might be a pathway to a national database for people that own firearms.

    While we real Americans have at least 4 years of security, history informs us reprobate leftists will be back in power sometime in the future. I don’t want your execrable Congressdolt McCollum, for instance, to have access to any information about what I may or may not have in the way of firearms, training or permits.

    This legislation needs to be as water tight as a frogs ass, with no possible path for Constitution hating leftists to take towards restricting our rights.

  2. I don’t see where this contradicts sate’s rights. I have not seen the actual bill, but the article states this is not a registry or a national permit. It is a legislature which allows permit holders to not get hassled in other states which allow such permits. Just like driver’s licenses.

  3. Even beyond Swiftee’s perfectly rational “what would a community organizer do with this legislation” question, you’ve got the question of how you reconcile all these states’ rules about where you can and cannot carry. Some states like ours allow carry in churches, some do not, for example. Logistically, it’s a mess.

  4. It’s my understanding that LEOs already can access permit info across state lines. That’s why we have stories about Florida permit holders being harassed by New Jersey State Patrolmen that dump the family’s belongings on the side of the road while repeatedly demanding “Where is it? Where’s the gun?”

  5. SSC, a copper in New Jersey could probably call someone in Florida (Sheriff’s Dept of the CCP’s county?) and ask if a FL carry permit was valid, but I don’t think there is any nationwide database they can connect to from their car computer.

    I damn sure hope not. If anyone knows different, we have an issue to contact the legislature about.

  6. JPA, I think South Carolina has the right to decide who gets a carry permit, and who doesn’t. I don’t want the feds deciding that any more than I want them deciding what marriage is, and who gets to do it, or if it is acceptable for Dr. Mengele to twist an unborn tot out of the womb with a hook and pliers.

    While I certainly don’t have a problem with my fellow Americans from Minnesota carrying a pistol while visiting down here, we can’t pick and choose; at least as long as there are leftists scurrying around among us.

  7. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/01/17/florida-gun-owner-with-no-gun-pulled-over-searched-and-humiliated-in-maryland/

    I’m not seeing a ton of examples of this, but it happened at least once. So apparently police in one state can pull up the drivers license information in another, and that can include whether or not the person has a carry permit. I am not seeing that the victim here sued, but he did receive an apology.

    BTW, I believe federal law authorizes people to have a firearm in transport anywhere in the country, as long as it’s locked up and unloaded. Local firearms laws only come into play when it’s clear the traveler is not in transit.

  8. The other edge of that sword: If we have reciprocity then we need national standards for carry permits. And if we have national standards anyway let’s have a national bureaucracy administering it.

  9. Federal legislation is the quick-and-dirty route for the impatient. The tried-and-true method is some group comes up with Model Legislation and then shops it around to all the states, who adopt it with regional variations. Takes forever, requires a million volunteers, long slog through the trenches . . . but it does work, it’s compatible with federalism, it avoids a federal bureaucracy.

  10. Some states like ours allow carry in churches, some do not, for example. Logistically, it’s a mess. and While I certainly don’t have a problem with my fellow Americans from Minnesota carrying a pistol while visiting down here, we can’t pick and choose,/I>

    BB and Plisken

    Yes. But driving laws are different per state as well. for example, it is not legal to turn right on red in NY. It is up to YOU to know that. But your driving license is no less valid. besides, we already have a lot of carry permit reciprocity between the states, it is the outliers that cause problems, like NJ for example. What is wrong with individual responsibility for being a responsible gun owner and learn your limits?

    I do believe every case can be taken to its possibility extreme, but is it probable? Why shouldn’t carry permits work the same as driving licenses? Or rather, should driving licenses work the same as carry permit licenses? After all, in wrong hands, vehicle can be used as a weapon.

    But more importantly, logic is not consistent – you have no problem with driving licenses being recognized across states, and driving licenses are a privilege, but not carry permits, which some would argue is a right.

    And last but to least, has anyone seen the actual language of the bill so we can stop twisting in the wind?

  11. JPA – I can’t find the answer, but is driver’s license reciprocity a state-by-state thing, or is it a federal thing? If it’s not federal, that supports Swiftee’s argument. If it’s federal, could you point me to the law that says so?

    I know the feds are trying to muscle in with RealID law making all driver’s licenses tamper-resistant. States don’t have to opt in and if they don’t, that doesn’t affect your driving privilege.

    My Google-fu is weak today.

  12. JD, I do not know. I still do not understand what the damage would be if, as you point out in the RealID law, states will have ability to opt-out. And again, has anyone seen the language in the new bill? We may be squabbling over nothing.

    Food for further thought. Second Amendment is not a state law or right, it is a Constitutional right. So, according to Plisken’s argument, state law should trump second amendment.

  13. DG,

    It’s getting kind of insulting. You clearly can not take a hint.

    Much as I would love to let my comment section loose on the low comedy that is your attempt at condescension, rules are rules.

    You were told to respond to the responses to this post before I’d let your comments out of moderation.

    Go there and respond. Because you’re wrong. And anyone wants to condescend to me, they’d damn well better pack the gear.

    You do not.

    Answer my questions at the link above, or find another playground.

    There is no “c”.

  14. JPA – I think state law already trumps constitutional law. Voting is a fundamental constitutional right but the requirements to vote in Minnesota are different from Wisconsin. The right to decide when to have sex, when to have children, those are fundamental constitutional rights but limited by state laws on incest. Even firearms ownership is limited to adult non-felons but each state gets to decide what a felony is (don’t say it too loudly, but if gun grabbers were smart, they’d make every offense down to Overtime Parking a felony so nobody could own guns).

  15. Joe, the feds may have used the commerce clause to force drivers license reciprocity.

    I don’t see how it would be applicable to carry licenses, but then again I can’t reconcile 99% of what the feds have used the commerce clause to force the states to do.

  16. Guns are often manufactured in states different than the state sold in, opening the commerce clause door, according to the SCOTUS.

    Remember, the SCOTUS ruled that growing food for your own consumption is open to regulation by the federal government, because if you didn’t do it, you would have to buy food that crossed state lines.

  17. Plus the 2nd Amendment clearly states that the right of the people to keep and BEAR arms, shall not be infringed. Since it is specified, it trumps the 10th and the commerce clause.

  18. 2 days late, but I’m still catching up on a backlog of SItD posts. One thing, Mitch – if her regular practice is to poo and run and never come back to read and possible follow ups or rebuttals, of course she’s never going to see your demands. You might as well just leave them sit in moderation and ignore her until that one freak occurrence of her actually checking for responses does magically happen.

    Or just end it and ban her.

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