Protest Too Much

First things first: Mark Dayton is “governor” of Minnesota in exactly the same sense as Mickey Dolenz was the “drummer” in the Monkees. Tina Flint-Smith is calling all the real shots in the state. Mark Dayton is there to say stupid things and draw attention away from where the action is.

But with that said?

Seriously, Governor Flint – Smith “Governor” Dayton?

You want tolerance?

Get over yourself, “governor”. If Minnesotans weren’t fundamentally tolerant, there wouldn’t be 100,000 Somalis in Minneapolis, and 20,000 in St. Cloud.

And if yesterday’s attack had happened in great swathes of the rest of the world –  the Middle East, India, the Balkans, Greece, and or dare I say Somalia itself – this ethnic and religious oriented attack would have been met by death squads roaming the streets looking for Somalis to beat, stab and shoot.

No, “governor”, the intolerant one is the one who says “go along with the program and shut up, or get out of Minnesota”. Which, if you recall – and that is by no means certain – was you, “governor”.

For chrissake, just resign already.

UPDATE:  Or as Walter Hudson puts it, “If we’re going to talk about tolerance, fine. Let’s define it as — above all else — not going on a stabbing spree at the mall.”

38 thoughts on “Protest Too Much

  1. Couple things stand out in that article Joe. First of all, the muzzy has been identified; he’s another Somali refugee expressing his gratitude for being rescued from the stinking garbage heap he and his ilk have turned Somalia into.

    Secondly, this is not about religious intolerance. Muzzy head choppers don’t care what religion you observe, or if you observe at all. They hate western culture; they hate America; which is a trait they share with leftists like Mark Dayton.

    CAIR, ISIS’ official apologist in America was quick to respond to these incidents. Like Dayton, they expressed concern for the safety of muzzies; don’t backlash y’all…don’t be haters!

    And finally, before leftists minimalize this incident: I have been stabbed and shot, both. Neither incident killed me, obviously, but let me tell you; I’d rather get shot 5 times before I get stabbed once again. The pain a knife inflicts is excruciating, and the recovery time is longer. Also a knife is personal; this Somali really hated him some American Devils.

  2. They don’t seem to like the US. They like leaving their sheethole of a country and they really like the free stuff here (go to any government service center and you’ll see what I mean), but many don’t seem to want to be Americans. For example……one Twin Cities TV station last night did a good job yesterday of going to the apartment where the St Cloud attacker lived. Talked to someone there. His father was there but did not speak English, even after living here for 15 years.

  3. …many don’t seem to want to be Americans.

    Well Chuck, that puts them in good company with the majority of people that live in Saint Paul and Minneapolis. Least not the America we all grew up in and fought for.

  4. To be blunt, it ticks me off that a guy can go into a mall and stab a bunch of people shouting “Allah Akbar” and the like, and the FBI and others are calling it “possible” terrorism. OK, you’ve got a guy known to be Muslim shouting that and stabbing people after making sure they’re not Muslim…what the **** else could it be?

    Kudos to the guy who sent the perp to his 72 demons, and hopefully we can send some like-mindless people back to Mogadishu where they belong. You want to be a refugee? Great, but remember that some of us know that this means we can’t do a good background check, and hence you’re under greater scrutiny than other immigrants or a citizen. Just be thankful you’re not in a camp like those inhabited by millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians in the 1970s.

  5. Come, Mitch! Cut the guy some slack! When you’re buzzed out of your mind on drugs and booze you’re lucky to mumble through your standard reply! Expecting him to actually think up a cogent response is far too much for the poor guy.

    Actually, it’s things like this that will get CCW classes packed. And it looks like the GGWaG was the real thing: NRA instructor, CCW instructor, NRA pistol competitor, etc. My prayers go out to the guy.

  6. Chuck those were awesome! I can’t believe they haven’t had CTR trolls come in and do reviews

  7. POD, there are some very creative and funny conservatives out there. If its a liberal, they say “this is just like Hitler” when slamming a Republican. But those reviews are incredibly funny and original.

  8. Thanks for the link JD. Bad luck for the TERRORIST that he was taken out by a highly trained and skilled citizen. The media seems to have gone to considerable trouble to note the police affiliation of the shooter. Out of curiosity I looked up the malls website, and took note of the last prohibited activity they spell out.

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:
    •Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    •Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    •Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    •Excessive loitering
    •Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    •No firearms or illegal weapons

    I wonder if Crossroads is posted like MOA?

  9. Chuck;

    Thanks for those reviews. It took me 15 minutes to clean the coffee off of my monitor and keyboard after I spewed it all over them.

  10. His father was there but did not speak English, even after living here for 15 years.

    At least that’s what the people in the apartment wanted you to believe. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he could speak some English. You have to pretty much make a concerted effort to be a hermit, to have lived somewhere for 15 years and NOT pick up bits and pieces of the native language.

  11. Might be surprised who can live in a country without picking up any of the language. For example, I can think of someone who lived in Indonesia for half a decade but didn’t learn the local language, despite attending schools there in some of the best time of his life to learn a foreign language. His foreign language knowledge is, sad to say, only paralleled by his understanding of economics and foreign policy.

    Scott, I tried to look, I can’t quite tell if they were posted. If they were, they were darned lucky they had someone there who either was not subject to the posters, or ignored them.

  12. Poor you. You have zero evidence that anyone other than Mark Dayton is controlling the office of governor of MN, other than you wish it were so.

    Comparing Dolenz and Dayton seems a bit of a stretch; but if you insist on it, it is better to compare him as an actor (which he did starting as a child) and voice artist who briefly dabbled in music, but went on to be a successful director, to Dayton’s career as state auditor, senator and governor. Both have been broadly if not spectacularly successful over approximately the same length of time in their respective areas of expertise.

    Better Dayton than corrupt and incompetent Scott Walker next door. I call it hypocrisy that you fault Dayton while not faulting Walker, when Walker made a far worse deal for taxpayers on their stadium, the one he paid for out of the taxpayer pocket to benefit his campaign chair.

    Conservative St. Cloud residents, like conservative talk radio, have been bigoted intolerant assholes in St. Cloud towards Muslims, which in turn leads to all kinds of tensions. The Somali community came out en masse to repudiate the actions of this individual.

    In contrast, I can’t help but wonder if the two bombings over the weekend, which resemble those by white supremacists in the pacific northwest, might turn out to have been committed by more of those domestic right wing terrorists.

    And hooray that the knife attacks in St. Cloud produced zero deaths or even critical injuries, other than the death of the assailant. It doesn’t appear a lot of planning went into this if he didn’t first go buy a gun.

    Also — lookie it was a cop who stopped the violence spree, not a concealed carry permit holder. I’d like to know why this attacker was dressed as a security guard. Malls are private property; they need to keep out the crazy gun huggers for insurance purposes. In contrast, Walmarts which welcome gun huggers average a shooting incident somewhere on the average of twice a week as a result.

    In other news, it was great fun to watch the Trumpster campaign surrogates all get called out on the lie that Hillary Clinton or her campaign started the birther movement. Not only have the fact checkers debunked that thoroughly, but it looks as well as if the guy who claimed a Clinton associate, Blumenthal, told him Obama was born elsewhere in a 2008 tweet – which Blumenthal denies vigorously – has backed that down and will no longer defend his original assertion about Blumenthal, claiming that investigation in Kenya he ordered was the result of RIGHT WING claims at the time.

    Most of all, it has been underlined that Trump kept this birther rubbish up until last week with a WaPo interview, and underlined how he has refused to explain when and why he changed his mind, if he changed his mind.

    In contrast, Hillary Clinton, along with prominent establishment Republicans like Colin Powell have long asserted that there is and should be no impediment to a Muslim serving as president.

    That would be pretty much the way the lefties and moderate righties said the same thing about any Mormons and before that any Roman Catholics, given our constitution says we have no religious test for serving in office.

    Sooner or later the bigot spigot will lose on their position of religious and ethnic bigotry; conservatives are always on the wrong side of the arc of history.

    As to Bill C’s observation – lots of immigrants speak English, but are shy about their level of proficiency in public, especially older people. They don’t want to look foolish if they make a mistake. I encountered that a lot when teaching English as a second language, but the problem was always worst the older the student.

    Most immigrants, Muslims and Somalis included are fiercely patriotic. The exceptions are no higher, and probably lower, than the percentage of violent sovereign citizens on the right who were born here.

  13. DG,

    Poor you


    What in the HELL is that supposed to mean?

    You have zero evidence that anyone other than Mark Dayton is controlling the office of governor of MN

    Sure we do. He’s rarely in the office. His office goes long stretches without releasing agendas. He’s freaking high most of the time. They dumped his previous LtGov to bring Flint-Smith in, partly to groom her for a Governor run, and partly to have an actual executive (rather than a sop to the Iron Range, which is what Prettner-Solon was) in place if/when Dayton’s brain finally taps out.

    wIn contrast, I can’t help but wonder if the two bombings over the weekend, which resemble those by white supremacists in the pacific northwest, might turn out to have been committed by more of those domestic right wing terrorists.


    Yeah DG, you’re a real investigator.

    (Or did you hear that from your neighbor, the world’s leading forensic explosives expert, who nonetheless can’t be contacted).

    Most immigrants…are fiercely patriotic

    And that right there is where I know you don’t actually read this blog, or anything but your own comments.

    As I have noted in this space in the past, I have interviewed a number of counterterrorism experts who note that even among Somalis – the least stable group of immigrants we have – 85-90% are perfectly good immigrants. (They are, after all, where we get our info about the bad ones. As usual, your self-satisfied arrogance prevents you from seeing that.

    As to Mickey Dolenz? Wikipedia is clearly your friend.

    By the way, DG? I didn’t hold your comment – arrogant and wrong-headed as it was – in moderation. However, if you don’t respond to my response, that will change immediately.

    My rules are the ONLY rules on this blog.

  14. It’s worth noting that the gentleman who stopped the spree did happen to be not only a peace officer, but also a permit trainer who I presume would also be a permit holder. False distinction on Mad Dog’s part. Plus, if the mall’s website was accurate, they don’t welcome gun owners and are darned lucky that someone was there who didn’t have to honor their stupid signs.

    And Wal-mart shootings? Please. Most of them are in the parking lot, where “no carry” rules do not apply, and of the rest, most of them are security and others dealing with criminals. Are we under the impression that criminals scrupulously obey the law? If so, why do we call them “criminals”?

    Honestly, DG, do some thinking and look at the actual evidence.

  15. Oh, I totally forgot that. Falconer is a carry permit instructor. He teaches Real Americans how to shoot.

    BTW, while he is a part time cop from Albany, the odds are much better than even that he got his actual skill from being a civilian shooter; while a cop might fire 500 rounds a year in practice, a competition shooter and self-defense trainer will go through 1,000 in a weekend.

    As usual, DG, the facts mock you.

    Quick – find something from Think Progress!

  16. unlike other citizens with a cc permit, Falconer, as a Sworn Peace Officer, did NOT have a “duty to retreat” so his intervention is unlikely to subject him to frivolous lawsuits by the Muslim miscreant’s family (and CAIR). This is why the “stand your ground” bill needs to pass!

  17. If I was a Minnesota carry guy I would start ignoring the signs on merchants doors warning that weapons are not allowed. It’s a public facility..Civil disobedience is an acceptable means of changing both the law and elite opinion.

  18. “Most immigrants…are fiercely patriotic”
    So most Immigrants have fiercely patriotic feelings towards their homeland?
    This is a typically pathetic example of DG trying to make an argument. She can’t get her facts correct, she abuses the English language, and she abuses reason.
    There is a scene in R.L. Stevenson’s Kidnapped where the narrator describes a scene at a pier in Scotland, ca. 1750. Ships were filled with immigrants setting sail for the New World. There was much wailing and crying as family members set sail. Both the emigrants and those left behind knew that they would never see one another again.
    Today’s immigrants aren’t like that. A very large percentage of illegals aren’t immigrants at all, they are de facto guest workers who travel back and forth between the US and their home country, often several times each year.
    Build a wall. Arrest and deport people. Raise the marginal cost of entering he US illegally, and you will see the number of illegals in this country plummet, and the wages for unskilled labor will rise.
    I, for one, am getting tired of living in a country where the ‘elites’ are fucking idiots who couldn’t pass an econ 101 mid term.

  19. kel, extremely good points about Falconer and his P.O. status. I’m thinking that he might work part-time for a couple extra bucks or maybe just because he enjoys interacting with the community. Or as you pointed out he recognized the potential for liability protection. Looking at his Tactical Advantage LLC website you can see that he has a very nice range, shooting, gun and equipment sales operation. Obviously he’s got a considerable investment in his business. My guess is that is what puts food on his families table.

    DG; we’ll be waiting to see your responses to Mitch’s comments, however I won’t be holding my breath.

  20. “Most immigrants…are fiercely patriotic”

    Which is why we see all the rally/protests with the plethora of Mexican flags.

  21. I’m not a huge fan of ignoring those signs–I respect them by not shopping there, and quite frankly, looking at the list of stores, I’m not missing a whole lot, either. Only places worth visiting are Macy’s and Scheel’s, and I’d guess Scheel’s is NOT posting.

  22. St. Cloud’s population was 60,000 until another 6,000 Somali refugees arrived. When friction ensued, Dayton told St. Cloud residents that if they didn’t like catering to Somalis, they should move. A Somali man attacked shoppers at the regional mall and Dayton again warned St. Cloud residents to passively accept it.

    I’m trying to compare this to Scott Walker’s response as you recommend, Dog Gone, but I can’t find a situation where a city in Wisconsin was swelled 10% larger with Somali refugees who committed knife attacks on residents. Can you give us that link?

  23. DG opined the attacker didn’t do a lot of planning if he didn’t first go buy a gun.

    Well . . . he was 20 years old, which is a problem if you’re attempting to buy a pistol since no gun dealer will sell one to you (note to self: St. Cloud must not be one of those places where it’s easier to buy a gun than a computer, stick to The Cities).

    And one witness said he attacked with a 5-inch knife. That’s not something one carries in a pocket to clean fingernails. That’s indicative of some level of premeditation.

    Not sure how this proves the victims were lucky to be attacked by this particular terrorist. Instead of depending on luck, wouldn’t it be better to, I don’t know, maybe try to prevent terror attacks in the first place?

  24. DG opined the attacker didn’t do a lot of planning

    The worst school massacre in US history – Bath Michigan in 1925, which killed 52 – was “planned” entirely overnight.

    The amount of premeditation doesn’t necessarily matter to count as premeditation.

  25. It strikes me that if you’re handy with a knife, but not experienced with a gun, the knife is the better tool, especially at close range. It can maim or kill in a radius and not just at a point, after all. And obviously, thankfully the guy was not as handy with a knife as he thought he was.

    To paraphrase our host, the amount of premeditation doesn’t necessarily matter as much as the quality of premeditation.

  26. Raise your hand if you have confidence in the government’s ability to ‘vet’ immigrants and refugees!

  27. ELIZABETH, New Jersey — Ahmad Khan Rahami, the man arrested for this weekend’s series of bombings in New York and New Jersey, had traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan several times without detection by the U.S. government, officials told The Daily Beast.
    . . .
    Two U.S. officials told The Daily Beast that Rahami was not on any U.S. government terrorist watch lists. Had he been, it’s possible that federal authorities would have been alerted if Rahami traveled outside the United States.
    U.S. Rep. Albio Sires told the Bergen Record that Rahami contacted his office via email in 2014 seeking an immigrant visa for his wife in Pakistan who was 35 weeks pregnant and whose Pakistani passport had expired.
    Rahami came to the U.S. as a child in 1995 as the son of an Afghan asylum seeker, a U.S. official told The Daily Beast. There has been some confusion over when Rahami or his family were officially granted legal residency in the country, but it may have taken some time for their application to be processed and approved.
    Rahimi had a series of escalating run-ins with the law beginning in 2008, when he spent a day in jail for unpaid parking tickets, and another in 2012 after he allegedly violated a restraining order, The New York Times reports. In 2014, Rahami spent three days in jail on weapons and aggravated assault charges, after allegedly stabbing a person in the leg, The New York Times reports. A grand jury dropped Rahami’s charges for the fight, which allegedly began as a domestic dispute.

    ‘Fiercely patriotic’ or just ‘fierce’?

  28. I realize Afghanistan is the guy’s homeland, but let’s be serious; odds are pretty good that someone going there, if he’s not going to hunt the Taliban or report on how the fight with the Taliban is going, is going to be doing so for either terrorism or heroin. We didn’t log this….why?

  29. U.S. Rep. Albio Sires told the Bergen Record that Rahami contacted his office via email in 2014 seeking an immigrant visa for his wife in Pakistan who was 35 weeks pregnant and whose Pakistani passport had expired.
    35 weeks pregnant?

  30. It occurs to me they may doing a plant in St. Cloud testing the water for elsewhere (MOA?) or other malls. I seem to remember a FBI agent concerned about Zacarias Moussaou taking some flying lessons in MN.

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