Trump

So it looks like, barring an untimely heart attack or convention insurrection, the GOP’s nominee will be Donald Trump.

It’s worth noting that early last September, when the GOP was looking at its biggest, deepest field ever, with seventeen accomplished governors and high-profile conservative Senators throwing their hats in the ring, not a single member of America’s landed punditry predicted Trump would get to the nomination.

With one exception.

Scott Adams.  Of “Dilbert” fame.

Adams chalks Trumps success up to his love of not merely beating, but humiliating, opponents – and, quite frankly, his genius at it:

[Adams] remembers just how the game turned. He was young and improving at chess, but the masterful kid across the board would outmaneuver Adams till the game seemed a runaway. Now, this kid didn’t want to just beat Adams; he wanted to embarrass him. “So after he’d picked away three-fourths of my pieces and I was discouraged,” Adams recounts, “he would offer to turn the board around and play with my pieces.” And then effectively “win” again.

On those occasions, Scott Adams, the creator of “Dilbert,” got insight into the type of personality that loves not only the challenge of game strategy, but also the thrill of overwhelming the competition. It is the sport of meticulously plotted domination.

And that is part of why Adams believes Donald Trump will win the presidency. In a landslide.

Time will tell.

As to what I think about the nomination?  I think I’ll phrase my answers in the form of a not-remotely-Socratic dialog with my favorite opponents – my caricatures of people I disagree with!

Statement or Question My Answer
“It’s the end of the GOP!” What?  Again?  This is like the tenth time in my adult life people have declared the GOP “dead” over some bit of electoral trivia or another.
“It’s the end of the conservative movement!” Well, this is a little closer.  The conservative movement had its choice of 16 mostly excellent candidates – accomplished governors, conservative Senators, some excellent options.  And we didn’t turn out enough vote for any of them to prevail over The Donald.  I’ll let that sink in for a bit.
“The GOP created Donald Trump” Well, no – the open primary system did.  The support for Trump at any given GOP meeting, caucus or convention is razor-thin – but the rules these days give near-absolute power to open primaries.  Which are prone to being flooded by people who don’t are more interested in personalities or issues than the party’s platform as a whole.  Trump knew this, and used it to his advantage.  Who wouldn’t?
“If you hold your nose and support Trump, you are supporting a National Socialist”. Oh, shut up.  Seriously.  You want to debate specifics of German history, look me up.  We’ll go round and round, and you will lose.  Promise.
“I’m going to vote third-party to show my dissatisfaction with the system.  Maybe I’ll vote for Gary Johnson, of the Libertarian party…” Sure!  Or you can vote Pikachu, the adorable Pokemon character.  It’ll have precisely the same effect on life in America!
“There is no reason to vote Trump” Well, no.  There are two.

1) There are a lot of downticket races that do depend on good GOP turnout.  And yeah, the GOP majority in DC has been a disappointment – until you think about what would’ve happened with four more years of Democrat absolute majorities.  That sounds like a consolation prize?  It is.  Life is full of consolation prizes – if you’re lucky.  If you’re lucky and smart you build on the consolation prizes.

“You said there were two reasons.   You are teh lier” Hush.

As Dennis Prager says, in quoting the Torah, “only what is certain is certain”.

It is possible that Trump will appoint an idiot to the SCOTUS

It is a certainty that Hillary will appoint people who make Sonia Sotomayor look like Antonin Scalia.  Given a choice between “zero” and “fifty/fifty”, what are you going to take?  (Add to that the rumors that Trump was considering appointing Ted Cruz to the SCOTUS?  That, alone, would be reason to vote for Trump).

“I’m sick of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils” And I’m sick of people wishing things would get better on their own.  They don’t.  They won’t.  They never will.  Sack up.  This is life.

The best thing that happens is the conservative “movement” will grow up and realize that it can’t win by speaking to the echo chamber any more than the Paulbots could.

More, obviously, in coming weeks.

43 thoughts on “Trump

  1. Again, Trump, if he becomes a president, will destroy whatever is left of the Republican brand. While it is not possible to predict what he will in fact do, It is quite possible to gauge based on his past history. Unlike what that nose-up-the-sTrumpet’s-ass-Hannity and the rest of you lapdog Trumpkins believe, history does matter. Tigers do not change their stripes.

    sTrumpet is a Democrat. Though and through. He found a loophole in the primary process – Republicans are actually honest. He had no chance to beat sHrillery and her superdelegates running as Demoncrat he is. He is an establishment’s dream – a person how will make deals with Demoncrats and give them all cover – unopposed. And you can kiss Constitution good buy even sooner than if sHrillery were a president. From most everything sTrumpet has said, he does not know how to spell the word – he believes he will be the king and govern just like 0bamanus Rex.

    Consolation prize? FUCK your consolation prize! Life is too short to get boiled alive. Conservative movement is not dead, but if sTrumpet gets elected and doubles down on Boner and Mccocknell subservience to Demoncrats, it may have no choice but to split off from Republicans and form something like a Constitutional Party or such. Which means no shot of Conservatism having a real shot at Presidency in our lifetimes.

    So, no, I will NOT be holding my nose and will NOT voting for sTrumpet. That box will remain blank. As the old man said, “it is better to live on your feet than die on your knees.” Ok, the ONLY reason I would consider filling that box in is if he signs in blood that he will appoint Cruz to SCOTUS.

    And my dear friend swiftee and all the rest of you anti-abortion crusaders. It is magnificent to watch (some) of you twist into rage of fury and rain brimstone on pro-abortion trolls, but it is quite telling that you are oh so silent on sTrumpet’s views on that matter. I guess the wall (that will never be built), the trade deals (that will never be renegotiated), the immigration policy (that will never be changed), support for veterans (who have yet to see a dime from sTrumpet’s “fundraiser”) and all the rest of the lies you believe in, trump the unborn. It is indeed true that the mob has taken over the country – and Trumpkins’ cult of personality is indeed something to observe. It is like you all shit out your brains.

  2. The conservative movement had its choice of 16 mostly excellent candidates – accomplished governors, conservative Senators, some excellent options. And we didn’t turn out enough vote for any of them to prevail over The Donald.

    Wrong lesson. You had 16 candidates with a similar message, all splitting their voters, facing one candidate with better media savvy and a message that appealed to a smaller but unified group. Look at how well Cruz has done since the bulk of that field evaporated.

    Had the GOP done a better job earlier on in getting rid of the chaff it’s doubtful that Trump would be the nominee. But the prospect of running against Clinton after 8 years of Obama tempted too many to get into the pool.

  3. A couple of points I’d make:

    1) I don’t have to vote for Trump for president to vote for down-ticket Republicans. I’ll vote for all of those I can find on my ballot.

    2) I live in Minnesota. The chance a vote I don’t provide to Trump will be decisive is, essentially, nil.

    2a) I realize being #NeverTrump in a blue state is dirt cheap grace, but I’ll take grace any way I can get it these days.

    3) Of course Trump isn’t a Nazi. He is a complete horse’s ass, however, and his malign influence will hang around the necks of millions of Republicans, in this cycle and well beyond. I have a difficult time being sanguine about a standard-bearer who is going to use our party platform as Charmin whenever the mood strikes.

    3a) And what JPA said in re the prolife movement.

    4) You don’t seriously think Trump will be able to turn around and nominate Ted Cruz for SCOTUS after spending the last four months calling him “Lyin’ Ted,” do you? How would that work?

    5) I didn’t think McCain or Romney were evil. They were both deeply flawed candidates, but they were good men. I don’t know the condition of Donald Trump’s soul, but I cannot in good conscience support a man who can claim with a straight face that his opponent’s father was an accomplice of Lee Harvey Oswald. See the horse’s ass reference above.

    Your mileage may vary, but that’s how I see it.

  4. …but if sTrumpet gets elected and doubles down on Boner and Mccocknell subservience to Demoncrats, it may have no choice but to split off from Republicans and form something like a Constitutional Party …

    They have one of those in New York for precisely the reasons and attitudes you’re espousing. And it’s as successful and influential there as you’d expect.

    Look, the US system is based on forming coalitions BEFORE the election so that you can win the seat, unlike a parliamentary system where the coalitions are formed AFTER the election. Your idea of forming a different party are quite self defeating.

    I’ve said I don’t like Trump. I still don’t. But he’s schooled the GOP on several points, not the least of which is that there’s been a massive disconnect between the issues the “connected” of the party think are important and what the mass of Americans think is important. And he’s shown that working the media on the media’s weaknesses of needing to make ratings can overcome the media’s bias towards Democrats. That point is something I think most people aren’t getting. I was a Walker man early on, but mainly because I liked his policies. But could he have won a national election against the weight of the media machine? No. He’s effective on a smaller scale like Wisconsin where organization can trump the media bias (ahem). But on a national scale, I don’t think he could have worked the media well enough to beat the organized Hillary shilling of the media. Trump stands a chance to do that.

    But to me, the situation comes down to this: Trump is a probable clusterfark for the country, but Clinton is a certain one. I’m willing to put aside my dislike of Trump personally and politically in a situation like this.

  5. “The end of the GOP” is the second-most used tag-line in social media. Right after “Hillary caught in massive lie – this changes everything.”

  6. I’m willing to put aside my dislike of Trump personally and politically in a situation like this.

    So why not vote for sHrillary? If she nominates Fauxahontas to SCOTUS, there will at least be token opposition. If sTrumpet nominates Fauxahontas as he may, republicans will be fighting over each other to kiss her ass as she blows through the nomination. sTrumpet will be able to push his Demoncrtatic agenda with impunity even more so than sHrillary. Republicans will have no cover because sTRumpet is the chosen one.

    And yes, I agree with you 100% re coalitions. If people like “let-me-crawl-further-up-sTrumpet’s-ass” Hannity and rest of the Fox News cabal would have vetted sTrumpet as much as they have drank his coolaid, and if GOP establishment would have taken sTrumpet seriously at the beginning, we would not be here today.

  7. Had the GOP done a better job earlier on in getting rid of the chaff it’s doubtful that Trump would be the nominee.

    I’ve heard this claim in various forms by a number of people but so far none of them when asked have been able to explain how it is exactly that the GOP is supposed to stop people who decide that they want to run for President from running as a Republican.

    The election laws are mostly set by the States. The debates are sponsored by the networks and they get to decide which candidates to invite just as each candidate gets to decide whether to accept an invitation. The primary voters and delegates each decide on their own who they want to vote for. You basically don’t have a single actor who runs the presidential primary system – you have a lot of independent actors (50 States, multiple media outlets and millions of voters) who on the aggregate chose Trump as the Republican nominee.

    I happen to think that they made a bad choice but since I don’t have the Infinity Gauntlet or another means of forcing other people to accept my will instead of their own, if we’re going to have a mostly open system of government where the people we elect have to do so with the consent of the governed, then yes that means from time to time they’re going to make a choice that you and I don’t like.

  8. The Republic Party will be finished. Well, that would be bad, if it meant there’d be nobody standing up for my interests. Nowadays, the mainstream, establishment, Washington Republican Party stands for . . . what, exactly? Guys like Mitch McConnell – what are his core values? What are the issues he’d go to the wall to defend?

    Poli Sci majors assure us the nation is 30% Right, 40% Left, 30% Mushy-middle so the election is won by getting 15% + 1 of those mushy-middle voters to join your side. Can’t run too far to the Right to get the nomination or you’ll scare off the middle when you run in the general election. That’s why we got Romney. Nice guy. Good businessman. Not especially conservative (MassCare) and no skeletons but also no pizzazz. In an election against Hillary, the Poli Sci majors might have been correct and he might have squeezed it out. Running against the media’s creation of The First Black President Come Join Us Be A Part Of Making History Prove You’re Not Racist Hope And Change . . . he didn’t stand a chance.

    I like Scott Walker. I like what he’s done in Wisconsin and I like how he’s done it. He’s a solid conservative with no skeletons but also no pizzazz. In a primary against Rubio, Cruz, Christie, Jeb!, et. al., he might have done okay. But running against the media’s creation of The Donald . . . he didn’t stand a chance.

    The mainstream Republican party isn’t finished, it’s regrouping. John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Nikki Haley, Vin Weber, Norm Coleman. When President Trump proposes to build The Wall, he’ll have to come begging to them for the money. They’ll still have their chance to obstruct, delay and oppose him and, by extension, the people who elected him.

    The GOP is finished? You say that like it’s a bad thing . . . .

  9. [If …]Hannity and rest of the Fox News cabal would have vetted sTrumpet as much as they have drank his coolaid, and if GOP establishment would have taken sTrumpet seriously at the beginning…

    If you think the media’s into vetting candidates, you’ve been asleep or in denial since the Clinton years. It went out of fashion when Reagan won and exposed the politics of the media for what they were, and after that they never had to conceal their real motivations.

    Besides, everybody thought Trump was a joke at the start. I sure did. When he started on immigration and outsourcing I thought he’d found an cudgel to swing at the political establishment, and I thought he stood a chance since I thought that that was a huge sore point for many folks.

    No amount of “vetting” by Fox would have killed the Trump campaign after Iowa. He was too well known via his shows to the public, and that means that you’d have had to have something really horrible to swing the public to any noticeable degree.

    I still think Trump’s a buffoon, but I think Scott Adams has shown better skills at analyzing the real political situation than any of the conventional political pundits. And that’s because Adams actually did work and talks to people of all economic standings, unlike pants-crease Brooks. Political pundits all too often forget that they’re not the ones making the final decision, it’s the great unwashed out there who do. And right now, the unwashed are unhappy and making that known via Trump and Bernie. To me, the only surprise is that it’s taken this long for a revolt to start.

    So why not vote for sHrillary? If she nominates Fauxahontas to SCOTUS, there will at least be token opposition.

    With your kind of attitude, we won’t have to do a thing to get sHrillary. What are the options? Give Hillary the Presidency on a platter and have someone even worse than Obama leading the country, especially with a Senate leaning to support her? Or take a chance?

    As to Fauxahontas, what does it matter? We know she’d be the most conservative nominee Clinton would suggest, and while we suspect Trump might do it, we don’t know. I’ll take a chance on Russian Roulette with one bullet rather than a fully loaded cylinder any day.

    Trump, if elected, will likely be fighting with both parties on a heck of a lot of stuff, just like Ventura did. I don’t see the GOPe falling down to lick his boots, and I don’t think he’ll be taking over the party except in the most superficial way. There’s too much upside to fighting Trump (except in blue states) for him to be a unifying figure in the GOP.

  10. how it is exactly that the GOP is supposed to stop people

    Not stop, Winston, but not turn on your own, like they did on Cruz.

  11. If you think the media’s into vetting candidates

    Nerd, according to Hannity, there is no bigger conservative than him, and he is licking sTrumpet’s boots instead of vetting him. Rush decided not to take sides. And Fox, well, sTrump is great for ratings so you don’t want to upset him too much and want him around as long as possible to prop up ratings, damn whatever “fair and balanced” credentials they like to espouse. So, no, Nerd. I was not expecting vetting form the alphabet soup networks, but the so-called “conservative” talk media had failed miserably for the most part to expose sTrumpet for the Democrat he is.

  12. When President Trump proposes to build The Wall, he’ll have to come begging to them for the money. They’ll still have their chance to obstruct, delay and oppose him and, by extension, the people who elected him.

    And therein lies the crux of the issue. How much did people you list, who are still in power, do to curb 0bamanus Rex imperial grab? Those purse strings are surely singed tight! Now, with sTrumpet, they will have to fight one of their own more than they did 0bumbler. But then you may be right, they have proven to have more disdain for Cruz than they do for 0bumbler and his policies.

  13. I’ll take a chance on Russian Roulette with one bullet rather than a fully loaded cylinder any day.

    Alas, you are playing with two loaded guns, so you will get shot.

  14. Bad day, JPA? What you see as a an inevitable decline and failure of liberal democracy. I see instead as a re-alignment of political parties which have been put under stress by some of the events you describe. Voters, being human (and less intelligent while acting as a crowd), will try all of the easy answers before embarking on more difficult paths to improvement. Some may opt for dictatorships, others for a Trump confidence men, but I submit that very few will give up their right to continue to try new choices every few years. Trump is a poor choice for a leader, but the system’s ability to allow the Trump experiment to proceed suggests a flexibility to liberal democracy that will in the end withstand great violence without expiring.

    If the Republican party becomes the party of the disaffected white male working class and those that reject social liberalism (Cruz supporters), it is because those two groups chose the Republican party, and they deserve the leader that they choose. The Democrats are simply picking up the pieces that were left to them. LBJ consigned the Democratic party to that fate by signing the Voting Rights Act.

  15. I have not been a Sideshow Donald supporter but I would like the Never Trump crowd to explain why it’s worth throwing away our Second Amendment rights. If I don’t have a natural right to defend myself and my family, what “rights” actually exist or matter?

  16. I have heard rumors that, if elected, would select Cruz as AG, not for SCOTUS. One has to wonder if the negotiator cut a deal with Cruz to get him to drop his bid. If Trump surrounds himself with conservatives and constitutionalists, he might turn out to be a great POTUS and certainly better than prune face Shillary.

    On another note, I love how all of the so called conservative pundits are dumping the GOP because Trump is the probable candidate. These days, it takes steel balls to put ones self up for political office and money. Money comes from donations, except for probably the first time in history that a candidate has funded the majority of his campaign ala Trump. Well, I view these pundits as traitors and cowards. If they don’t like the candidates running, they should try running themselves!

  17. I will never vote for Trump because he is not a conservative.
    But I am glad he ran. I regret that none of the other GOP candidates picked up on his winning rhetoric. Believe it or not, it is not unreasonable or out of the mainstream to oppose illegal immigration or to protect American jobs from foreign competition. If your road to economic growth consists of requiring the people who vote for you to work more for less money, it’s time to go back to the drawing board. There are too many examples of GOP candidates praising the wonderful (and numerically small) small businessmen and too few in praise of the American worker. “No one has your back, son” is not a good campaign slogan.

  18. Conservatism selectively resists change, but only where there are tangible benefits to be had; smart conservatives avoid trying to move backwards in time. The America of your youth and its political parties may have been wonderful in many ways (it was a mixed bag), but we most certainly cannot return there. Trump and his supporters are wrong, because he is suggesting that he can deliver to them something which is unattainable, because it is the past. And none of us can return to the past. We can only choose between different paths to the future. The other candidates’ proposed paths may be flawed, but Trump lacks any path to the future, which means that in office he will stagger blindly with no purpose or direction, doing violence to all that he blunders into. So yes, his supporters are upset at the status quo, understandably so, but I still fault them for not seeing that he is selling them a bill of goods which cannot be delivered.

  19. Trump will merely be a disaster. Hillary will be a catastrophe. Sanders will be the causus belli for Civil War 2.0

    Would you rather be hung, shot, or electrocuted?

  20. Boss, how does that coolaid taste? You obviously drank it if you believe sTrumpet campaign is self-funded. You probably also believe he is worth $10B. That, and every other canard he shouts at the top of his lungs. A simple search will dispel those myths.

    You can hold your nose, swallow your principles and ideals and vote for whomever you want. Just don’t paint yourself as a conservative saviour. I will not be voting for sTrumpet. In that regard it is still a free country.

    Never mind Bern and civil war. If either sTrump or sHrillary decide to make a real grab for 2nd amendment, they will really have civil war 2.0 on their hands. Crazy ranchers are one thing, but an unmitigated grab is quite another. How many in the army or guard will actually follow the blanket confiscation orders?

  21. Nerd, according to Hannity, there is no bigger conservative than him, and he is licking sTrumpet’s boots instead of vetting him.

    For Hannity to claim that he’s foremost a conservative is, like Hewitt, laughable. They’re both Republicans first, and their actions show it. If I want to know what the GOP establishment is thinking, I’ll tune them in. Hannity threw in with Trump when he became the most probable nominee. That’s smart for him on a personal level since it means he’ll get more Trump interviews, more ratings, and more job security. He’s got his own self-interest to look out for, and if Trump fails he won’t get the blame. He’ll make sure to blame Trump, the MSM, and the GOP base, in that order.

    Rush? He’s Rush. He’s probably not happy with The Donald becoming the face of the GOP, but he also has self interests to look after since much of his audience in is Trump’s corner. His “neutrality” is in his own self-interest.

    So why do you think the conservative media would have any interest in “vetting” Trump? They knew what would happen to them if they came out with all sorts of dirt on Trump when he was essentially on the path to winning anyway. The Trumpians haven’t cared about any of the outlandish stuff they’ve heard so far from The Donald’s own mouth, so why do you think they’d be swayed by something that came from Rush or Hannity? Any attacks by conservative critics will merely be fodder for the MSM in the general election as a means to influence LIVs.

  22. Hewitt is an interesting case. He was a debate moderator, so although his distaste for Trump has been evident, he couldn’t explicitly take sides. Hewitt is a party guy, and he will support the party nominee.
    I did hear him make an almost-anti-Trumo mini-rant a few seeks ago. Hewitt is big on a path to citizenship, but he is also big on border security. He blames the rise of Trump on the refusal of congress to insist on a border wall.
    Hewitt is a little off-base here. The reason no wall has been built is because the GOP donor class does not want to stem the tide of cheap central American labor. The problem isn’t the lack of a border wall, it is that the donor class and their politicians don’t want it.

  23. jpa;

    You don’t have to vote for Trump. That is your right and decision.

    My ideals and principles would really be compromised if I left that oval white and then that lying, murdering, money laundering traitor bitch Shillary got elected.

    As far as another civil war for an outright gun grab; I think that too many gun owning DemonRATs would just take it lying down. After all, the very fact that they keep voting for Dem candidates, they truly believe that the government should run their lives.

    There is underground information coming out of DC that Barackus is purging high ranking military officers that would not order open fire on American citizens from his inner circle. Your speculation that the rank and file soldiers, sailors and airmen, would refuse to participate in a gun grab, is spot on. Those orders would be contrary to the oathes they took, with one caveat. That oath says that they will defend the country against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. If Barackus declares all gun owners enemies of the state, it might give at least 40% of them pause.

  24. Hillary is Evil, but she’s not Stupid. She’s had a plan for this for decades.

    Step One: win the White House. Step Two, create openings on the Supreme Court (convince some justices to resign “for their health” so they don’t end up dead in a park). Step Three, fast-track a case where the Supreme Court can overturn Heller and MacDonald to declare owning firearms and ammunition are for the militia which, today, means serving members of the military. Step Four: let Democrat legislatures across the land run wild with gun buy-back, registration, tax, amnesty, outright bans . . . while directing the Justice Department to prosecute conservatives and gun rights advocates on trumped-up hate-speech or RICO charges and sic the IRS on them, too.

    In short, make owning a firearm too risky for law-abiding people. They’re not going to riot – they’re law-abiding – and by the end of her second term, refusing to turn in your guns will be as socially unacceptable as refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

    Because Never Trump.

  25. The way it’s done these days is to alter the meaning of the constitution through civil rights laws, as interpreted by the Justice Department, with cultural support from the big corporations and the mass media.
    No need for messy democratic process that way, and all the Supremes have to do is agree not to veto whatever new interpretations of existing law come out of the JD.
    Remember the equal rights amendment of the 70s and 80s? Went nowhere, couldn’t get the votes, then or now. But thanks to the JD it’s here now, ain’t it?

  26. JD, agree, but I do not discount sTrumpet doing exact same thing. He is a Demoncrat first and foremost.

    Nerd, again, we are arguing different sides of the same coin. You contend sTrump’s ascension was inevitable, and I am saying that if he was exposed early on this might not have happened. And fact that Up-the-ass-Hannity and Rush did what they did for ratings and not for principle just shows they are as much part of the MSM and establishment and do not have a real conservative principled bone in their body. There are, however, people out there who did choose to expose sTrump and damn the ratings. And I am sure Andy is spinning in his grave seeing what a lapdog Breitbart had become.

  27. My ideals and principles would really be compromised if I left that oval white and then that lying, murdering, money laundering traitor bitch Shillary got elected.

    Boss, this is my take on it. If sHrillary gets elected, it will hopefully FINALLY galvanize conservatives, real conservatives, whatever is left of us to actually get angry. As angry as Trumpkins are. And then DO SOMETHING! Four years to explosion and a potential change. If sTrumpet gets elected, we are facing a galvanization of left-leaning establishment and destruction of conservative will. Change will NEVER happen and bye bye Republic. I guess from my perspective, it did not get dark enough yet for us to see the light. What you are proposing, in my view, would lead us to live in a perpetual grey haze. Sun will be blocked from us for a generation.

  28. At this point, JPA, a defeat of Trump would mean the rebirth of the GOP establishment. If Hillary gets elected, look for them to push Kasich or Rubio to run against her in 2020.

  29. “Boss, this is my take on it. If sHrillary gets elected, it will hopefully FINALLY galvanize conservatives, real conservatives, whatever is left of us to actually get angry.”

    We have had 8 years of massive damage done by our current failure to “make conservatives angry.” We cannot afford even 4 more and, even if we could, there are not enough /conservatives/ in this country to win the Presidency. Heck, it’s a roll of the dice with Trump, as of now, but it is the only game in town. You puts yo’ money down and you takes yo’ chance.

  30. Will Hillary protect the 2A? Will she appoint a conservative to Scalia’s seat? Will she stop the hemorrhaging of illegals flowing into the country?

    Trump.

  31. BG, this is where we disagree, but I do see your point. I still contend only way to swing the pendulum back would be to field a conservative candidate. And then there is 2018 mid-term election to throw the establishment bums out. I just see more of a downside longer term with a sTrumpet presidency than with sHrillary’s, as bad as it would undoubtedly be. That said, November is a loooong way away and Justice Dept, wheels, as slowly as they turn, are grinding closer and closer to sHrillary. And can she govern without support of rank and file FBI?

  32. Stinker, sTrump will do neither of those if his past behavior is any indication. You speak as if you drunk the kollaid that sTrump is a conservative. He is a lifelong DemoncRAT. Of course, you can vote for whoever you want, but for cripes sake, do not defend his “conservative” credentials because he has none. Not a one. Not even on second amendment and here is a quote from sTrump, in his own words:

    “The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within seventy-two hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”

    Sounds like uninformed orc talking points to me. But then, TRUMP! trumps everything, including his own words.

  33. Big Sti k has his mind right. I won’t blame people for refusing to vote for Trump, but in turn, don’t think to suggest I, or people of like minds, are obliged to turn in our Real American cards. We simply cannot stomach Hillary at any cost.

    Besides, after 8 years of Barry Sotero, we are entitled to some hilarity.

  34. Swiftee, you are a Great American. I am not suggesting, I am simply pointing out abject hypocrisy on the side of most Trumpkins. The hypocrisy that handed sTrumpet the nomination. The suspension of all things conservative to select the least conservative and destructive person on the ballot.

  35. You’re point regarding Trump’s support for infanticide is correct JPA, and it is giving me pause.

    It’s easy to say that Trump didn’t accept a Margaret Sanger award and call it an honor, like Clottin did but he is on record as being unequivocally in favor of the bloody dismemberment of helpless kids.

    I’m gonna have to think that one over.

    I guess I’m still hoping the FBI will release a report recommending criminal charges for that filthy, traitorous bitch that will will make my vote moot.

  36. JPA, I don’t trust Drumpf any further than I can throw him, either, but you know what? I may not be able to trust the Combover to do what’s right, but I can trust Hilliary to do what’s wrong.

    Combover, crook, or commie. Choose your poison, I guess.

  37. Unless I missed it, Trump hasn’t said any more about being pro-choice since very early on. I hope that having new born grand kids has changed his mind or will at least make think twice before he endorses murder again.

  38. Night Writer on May 5, 2016 at 4:10 pm said:
    If Hillary wins, I will cry.

    Hillary bathes in male tears. It’s only fair, since Bill bathes in female tears. What a fabulous first couple!

  39. It’ll be interesting to watch this play out. Voters appear to see this campaign a choice between the lesser of two evils.

  40. BTW, I do want to clarify something and blame it on ESL if I was unclear. I do not begrudge anyone voting for sTrumpet in the general election. But I do question sanity and conservative cred of anyone who supported him through the nomination fight.

  41. Not stop, Winston, but not turn on your own, like they did on Cruz.

    Cruz made an early decision to position himself as the alternative to both Democrats and (other) Republicans in Washington D.C. It’s kind of hard to see how the same people he spent much of his campaign bashing were expected to swoop in and rescue his campaign towards the end.

    Frankly one of the reasons why he was pretty far down on my list of candidates is he didn’t demonstrate an ability to actually move the ball forward on the issues that he cared about. Giving a great speech is nice but it would have been better to see signs that he could get other people to support him where it would count. You can stand on principle (like Rand Paul does) for the things that you believe in without going out of your way to make people hate you and Cruz’s inability to do that is probably why he had so few people showing up to support him when he needed them the most.

  42. Unless I missed it, Trump hasn’t said any more about being pro-choice since very early on. I hope that having new born grand kids has changed his mind or will at least make think twice before he endorses murder again.

    If Trump was in favor of abortion (and using your tax dollars to support it) when his own kids were born, why would having grandkids make a difference? Frankly I think he’s still going to support your tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood just as he did before.

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