Stuck On Stupid Lobotomized
By Mitch Berg
Reading Minnesota Progressive Project is like going to a Joaquin Phoenix concert; you don’t really care for the stuff, and you don’t want to go for the event’s own sake, but you just know you’re going to see a train wreck. (Sort of like Al Franken’s first press conference, if heaven forfend he gets seated in the Senate).
And so I occasionally gulp down a glass of water (on an empty stomach only) and pop open their container in GoogleReader, and see what wonders the new day brings.
Ah. Yesterday it was Grace “9/11 was an inside job!” Kelly, in a piece that started – mirabile dictu – fairly innocuously, discussing (very briefly) the large number of refugees who’ve come to the Twin Cities over the decades (discussing Somalis and Tibetans but missing the Vietnamese and H’mong, who fled the oppression of the far left to get here – but no matter. I wouldn’t expect Kelly to get sense of history anytime soon; let it go).
But then:
I think we have to rethink our “terrorism” label. Certainly the American Revolution would have been considered a criminal violent insurgency against the established order of English rule of the colonies. Gasp – the American Revolution advocated violence! Gasp – a criminal violent insurgency today would be called “terrorism”.
I could feel my jaw dropping in dazed wonder. It’s the old “The founding fathers were terrorists” bit. There are still lefties who use that old bit of self-pleasuring historical illiteracy.
Onward:
So when can people advocate violence and not be labeled terrorists?
For some of us, that’s fairly simple: when terror isn’t the primary, or only, means of achieving a social or political goal. Saying “this land is ours, go away”, and taking up arms and fighting those who try to take the land back, is not terrorism. Kidnapping your occupiers and sending body parts back to their families with notes demanding independence is terrorism.
Publishing a declaration of independence,and defending that independence, is not terrorism. Setting off nail bombs in Boston or New York [*] to indiscriminately kill soldiers, Tories and innocent bystandards and cow the British into leaving – that would have been terrorism.
Is it just a case of my violence is good, your violence is bad? Is the US making the moral violence judgments for whole rest of the world? I would say “yes”. My, how imperialistic of us, particularly in light of principles of American revolution.
One wonders if Grace “9/11 was an inside job” Kelly knows what the “principles of the American Revolution” were.
Defining what liberty was, and how the individual related to government in a free society? Recognizing inalienable rights? Establishing a democratic republic? Enshrining free press, worship, assembly, speech, jury trials, due process and enumerated powers?
I’m guessing that’s not what she has ever thought was thinking of.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Mitch said: “Sort of like Al Franken’s first press conference, if heaven forfend he gets seated in the Senate.”
Any news on that front? Coleman lose his appeal to The Hague and now taking it to Judge Judy? Rock, paper, scissors, best of 83905? Ouija board? Doesn’t anybody in Minnesota have a Magic 8-Ball to give this guy????
April 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Actually, Angry Clown, Coleman will likely take it to supremes, just as Al Gore did in 2000.
Stupid 14th amendment. Always ruining the democrats ballot fixing plots.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
AssClown and his ilk would enjoy shredding the constitution in the name of Liberal Fascism.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Yeah, you’re thinking the Democrats fixed the voting in Florida in 2000. Are you being dumb or just a douchebag? The answer will help guide my response, thanks.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
AC – Coleman lost, and has been rebuked time and again by an independent judiciary, but he’s a tool of the ACTUAL fascists – rather than the oxymoronic imaginings of Krudley.
He’s going to appeal to the MN Supreme Court – where he’ll doubtless lose again.
The moron brigade thinks that judges using a defined standard, making different interpretation constitutes an equal protection violation, depsite numerous rulings to the contrary. They don’t grasp that Bush v. Gore, despite being labeled as only applying to Bush v. Gore, ruled in a case where defined standards didn’t exist. Of course (as Alan Derschwitz noted), the fact is the US Supreme Court first intervened to tell Florida it COULD’T retroactively set any sort of standard, and THEN repudiated them for not having a standard – those, btw Terry, were appeals by Bush, that’s why it’s called Bush Versus Gore, not Gore Versus Bush. Gore DID in fact go to the FL Supreme Court (if memory serves), but it was the ridiculous and hyperactive SCOTUS which essentially asserted itself into a State’s Rights question.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I wonder what folks like Peev would do if the shoe were on the other foot.
Perhaps we should ask a rhetorical question.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Um, the whole Coleman/Franken thing is interesting and all, but that’s really not the subject of this thread…
April 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Um, the whole Coleman/Franken thing is interesting and all, but that’s really not the subject of this thread
You want to talk about the subject at hand? My, how imperialistic of you! To actually expect AC and Peev to pay attention to your words, rather than the voices inside their heads? If you think about it, hijacking the thread is an excellent way to honor the wisdom, insight and rhetorical approach of Grace Kelly.
Time to go long on non-sequiturs, Mitch!
April 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Yeah, you’re thinking the Democrats fixed the voting in Florida in 2000.
Remember when the dems in FL tried to throw out military ballots? Lol, that was stupid, but you guys gotta try every dirty trick you can? How else you gonna win?
April 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Liberal Fascists like peev and assclown can’t stay on topic since they are merely puppets chanting the prescribed talking points of the day.
Useful Idiots.
MrsPeev doesn’t even have the balls to admit the recount was not uniform and that there was double counting. Maybe peni could post those talking points on his own penisblog and not thread-jack Mitch’s.
“hijacking the thread is an excellent way to honor the wisdom, insight and rhetorical approach of Grace Kelly.” 😆
April 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Terry:
“Coleman will likely take it to supremes, just as Al Gore did in 2000.” Actually it was Bush, not Gore, who appealed a ruling of the FL Supreme Court to the U.S. Supreme Court.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Time to go long on non-sequiturs, Mitch!
Can I go too?!
April 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Somewhat more on-topic:
It is difficult to define ‘terrorism’ for good reason. It requires judging both the motives for and method of violence against civilian targets. The US dropped a couple of nuclear bombs late in WW2 at least partially in order to cause civilian casualties. It would be hard to come up with an easily understood definition of terrorism that did not include the purposeful or negligent death of civilians.
A few days ago I watched Disney’s WW2 propaganda film on airpower. It was released in 1943. Though it didn’t even hint at anything like the atom bomb, it did endorse the idea of building a plane large enough to carry a ten-thousand pound bomb that could open fault lines and destroy enemy cities. This was before the general population knew anything about the genocide of European Jewry.
The justification for doing this in the film was unspoken but understood: victory at any cost during a time when the the enemy’s civilian workforce and industrial base was considered as legitimate a target as an armored division.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
You are correct, RickDFL.
It is also true that the supremes decided, by a bi-partisan vote of 7-2, that the FL supremes decision was in conflict with the 14th amendment.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Exactly, Terry, and only the delusional moonbats like Penisblog would say the recount was uniform accross the state.
At least we can all agree that Grace “9/11 was an inside job” Kelly is more of a loony moonbat than Peev and AssClown.
April 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
I see, Terry. You’re being a douchebag. Carry on.
Douchebag.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
14th amendment, Angry Clown. The government is not allowed to use one standard in counting Democrat votes and another in counting Republican votes. All the lawyering that you guys did in 2000, and all the lawyering you guys did for Franken in MN was designed specifically to count likely dem votes differently than likely GOP votes.
Sucks when the constitution gets in the way of your dream world, doesn’t it?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:37 am
angryclown said:
“Douchebag”
Oooo, persuasive!