…best analysis I’ve seen.
Sorry, Al.
I’ve heard people say the porn industry will have a surge during a down economy.
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Please. Stop your whining, sore losers. Stop trying to get friendly judges to hand you elections you can’t win at the ballot box. Whiny pussy losers.
AC, why so defensive? Was it the mention of porn?
PS Norm won at the ballot box angryclod.
Why the rush to cast stones, AC? Calling us names is a sign of fear and trepidation. If we persist in playing this thing out to a logical conclusion it makes us thorough – not desperate; a subtle difference I wouldn’t expect certain commentators to understand.
Calling us names is a sign of fear and trepidation.
Understandably so. BO and his supporters remind me more and more of Jesse Ventura ten years ago; “oops. We put all sorts of big talk out there. Now we gotta deliver. Suddenly, I’m sitting in my own urine”.
They’ve regurgitated the Clinton Administration’s people, the Carter Administration’s policies, and the Bush Administration’s take on terror suspects, torture and Iraq – the very things whose opposition united them before the election.
Lashing out in fear and trepidation is understandable at this point.
You fools. You think that an election in Minnesota in 2008 is about Minnesota in 2008?
Wrong. It’s about Florida in 2000.
Fear? Hahaha! Expectations couldn’t be lower. Everybody knows the country’s screwed. And Obama follows the least competent president in the history of the republic. The Coleman race is just a desperate exercise in limiting the damage to the Republican Party and to the discredited ideas you far-right types have been parroting the last eight years. Calling names is nothing more than a sign that Angryclown thinks you extreme wingnuts are rather pathetic.
“And Obama follows the least competent president in the history of the republic.”
AC has always maintained that Bush’s incompetence was the reason Osama Bin Laden was still alive & not in US custody. If Obammy can’t catch him, though, this will be written off to pragmatism:
It seems to me that Coleman is the best option for the left anyway, I don’t know why they want Franken to win so bad, he’ll just be a major pain in the ass.
After that brief trip to ScaifeNet headquarters, to read a screed that has been systemically and factually debunked point by point, I have determined the following. The Right has become so blinded to reality they are making the delusional left seem like Rhodes Scholars.
I won’t debate the attempts by the Franken team to seat Sen Elect Franken, I think it was poor form of them, but it is not without precedent. A precedent that was set in a MN Congressional contest ruled on in Odegard v. Olson, [119 NW2d 717 (1963)] where the court ordered (unanimously) the Election Certificate to be issues pending the outcome of the contest. The chances of Franken wining in the Supreme Court for an interim seating is very good, as the MN Supremes would be hard pressed to over ride an unanimous ruling by their predecessors.
On to the debunking:
1) First is the issue of wrongly rejected absentee ballots. – Valid Ballots were determined by bipartisan county election officials. No partisan determination. The primary mistake I think the Canvassing board made was to allow veto power of either campaign. Coleman’s attempt to re-stuff the ballot box with ballots rejected twice, only to have them rejected a third and fourth time only means they will a) be rejected a 5th, OR require a total reevaluation by the entire pile of rejected ballots by the canvassing board with veto power by the campaign. Franken did very well in absentees regardless of the counties. If there are new ballots included, more than just Coleman”s handpicked ones will be considered. Advantage, FRANKEN
2) – Double Counting – there is no, zero, zip evidence of double counting. it is all speculation and innuendo. Only ONE precinct in the entire state ended up showing more votes the voters, and that is Maplewood 06. In that case, they found out that absentee voters were not added to the voter rolls. Once included, the counts reconciled. Before you can even attempt to argue double counting, you have to show math that makes it possible. The numbers aren’t there. This fantasy will end up in the same debunk pile as the story of ballots bouncing around in a trunk for days, something that never happened, yet people still believe it did.
3) Missing Ballots. – For the same math reasons as above, ballots are proven to be missing in this Mpls Precent, there is no alleged about it. Precedent has already been set in the past to go with original counts.
4) “newly discovered ballots – Nothing Newly discovered about it. ballots were being run through a machine on election not and it was discovered the machine was not working. The counter was fixed and the election continued. Later it was discover the first 170 ballots or so were never re run through he machine after the counter was fixed and reset. Isn’t that what a recount if for, to find error and correct count.
Even if issues 2, 3 and 4 were all ruled in favor of Coleman, there is not enough net votes to change the outcome, so his only hope is in #1, and in that case, we saw when the first pile of rejected absentees were counted by the canvassing board, that even in Red areas, these ballots favored Franken.
You folks have two choices, live in fantasy and stick to the MNGOP talking spin that from the very beginning was only to cast aspersion on the process, or B) due some research on your own, and found out how incompetent Coleman;s legal team has been throughout the process.
I wouldn’t be surprised of Team Franken’s motion to dismiss is granted next Monday and this is all over before you know it.
Go ahead, pick nits, it’ll keep you away from more productive work.
Flash
Go ahead, pick nits, it’ll keep you away from more productive work.
The irony of someone writing a comment of that size and concurrently using the word “productive” is irony of an amusing magnitude.
Roosh, it was mostly a copy/paste from prior posts, this is old news . . well . . for those that are paying attention anyway.
Flash
Flash,
We both know that if the tables were turned you’d be making our argument.
The fact that you call your personal blog “Centrisity” belies the fact that Franken is a leftist wacko opportunist carpetbagger hack and stands in stark contrast to the experience, professionalism and accomplishments of Norm Coleman, a former Democrat, and certainly the centrist of the two.
Al Franken can cite no accomplishments, qualifications or experience anywhere close to Coleman’s and I can tell you that if the parties were turned and Franken were the Republican and Coleman were the Democrat, I’d still vote for Coleman.
As an educator, I am sure you are familiar with the term sychophant. Maybe the blog could be renamed to “Sychophantasy.”
One has to wonder how far you would go to toe the party line when a disgusting, vulgar and embarassing candidate like Al Franken is the best the DFL can do in Minnesota.
The election is over, this isn’t about the individuals, both with a list of faults that should embarrass either side, it is about simple math. And to be clear, I have been pretty consistent throughout this process and would be even more disappointed in Franken if he were to carry out a contest that would have only embarrassed the party.
If something should come out that would overturn the certified election results from the canvassing board, I’ll respect them, and not cry stolen election. But if they remain the same, and Franken is seated, I am sure you will join Carey and the MDE brigade in complaining about the process.
Flash blathered:
“debunked point by point, I have determined the following”
Really? By whom (my guess: the next jerk in the circle)? Have you seen the evidence Coleman plans to present? Has the alleged debunker? I doubt it since court pleadings only contain a statement of the claim. Even Angryclown knows that. The local leftysphere, not so much.
Sorry Foot. This ain’t some corporate contract suit where the lawyers get paid $750 an hour to spin the litigation out over four or five years. This is as much a political and public relations problem as a legal one. If Coleman had an ace up his sleeve, he’d have played it long before now. He’s warming over arguments he’s already lost, hoping for another bite at the apple in a new forum.
Flash:
There is a much simpler solution to this debate. I am betting $50 Al Franken gets seated as the U.S. Senator for Minnesota. Any takers? (Twin City residents only, Terry would make me fly to HI to get my money.)
Otherwise, you all are just making noise. Which I admit is good training for the next 8 years.
RickDFL, but I won’t take that bet. Minnesota is too far away for me to figure out the odds.
When I read:
“After that brief trip to ScaifeNet headquarters”
so close to:
“systemically and factually debunked point by point”
I just laugh and laugh. Yes, it is only others who live in a fantasy world, flash. You live in the hard reality of the real world, along with ScaifeNet!
From the article:
Simply put, many precincts have more votes than voters.
If “one” means many, I need to relearn English. And Flash already explained that one precinct,not that any of you care.
The more these articles are written, the more they are used as “proof” that the election was “stolen.” Talk about a “circle jerk,” eh Roosh.
Could you be productive and move on to attacking Mark Dayton, please. I hear he’s going to steal the gubernatorial election.
I don’t think you’re in any danger of making any money, RickDFL. Wingnuts aren’t so big on putting their money where their mouths are.
So how do you make a bet with an anonymous person?
“So how do you make a bet with an anonymous person?”
Same as with a regular person. Say “I bet” or “done”. When Franken is seated, you owe me $50. If Coleman is seated, you collect.
But you have no contact information. Nor have you ever provided any on this forum. I don’t even know if you are a real person, or if you are actually a room full of monkeys attempting to type Shakespeare and instead coming up with DFL agitprop.
And by the way, I’m on record as saying Franken will eventually prevail, although the margin will narrow during the contest phase.
Mitch knows RickDFL. Bet he’d hold the stakes, if that’s what’s keeping you wingnuts from taking RickDFL’s bet. Of course it isn’t – you know he’s right, but wish to continue talking out your asses. Money talks, wingnuts walk.
you know he’s right, but wish to continue talking out your asses. Money talks, wingnuts walk.
What part of “I’m on record as saying Franken will eventually prevail, although the margin will narrow during the contest phase” did you not understand?
And by the way, I’m not especially interested in turning Mitch into a bookie.
“And Obama follows the least competent president in the history of the republic. ”
Well, true. But then so did Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton and George W Bush. It will be true for anyone elected President after 1976. So you are saying expectatiins have been lowered since Carter was elected?