GI Georgette

Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

Although I am not aware that any nation in history that succeeded in battle with women as its front-line warriors, we will.

I am skeptical but willing to be proven wrong, if it can be done safely. There is a waiting list a mile long of good men wanting to become Navy SEALs. If a woman can beat them playing by the same rules, fine with me.

But if not – if she needs special rules because she’s not physically and mentally tough enough to become a snake-eating, bone-breaking killer – then this is worse than a bad idea, it’s another Benghazi back-stabbing in the making. Everybody on her special operations team is put at risk, no different than if they put flabby, middle-aged me on the team.

What usually happens when Sally The SEAL can’t do the job is simple: it becomes a “team lift” like they do at Target. What once was a one-man job becomes a two-person job. Having re-defined the job it downward, then the Pentagon can truthfully say “she can do the job” as it now exists. Best example: end of the movie GI Jane with Demi Moore. Firefight on the beach, SEAL team leader hit, new recruit Demi Moore breaks cover to dash out and drag him to safety BUT CAN’T DO IT ALONE . . . so another team member breaks cover to run out and assist her. Of course, in the movie neither the guy helping the little girl nor the guy waiting to be rescued get killed for their chivalry. But in real life? Her lack of physical ability puts two other team members at risk.

Worse, the helicopter has a limited number of seats to transport SEAL team members. Commanders can’t afford to fill those seats with people who can’t physically do the job. So we can call her a SEAL and give her the uniform and the medals, but unit commanders will work hard to ensure her role becomes communications, intelligence analyst, spotter, or some job that doesn’t involve the physical duties she can’t perform. More of the dangerous work will go to the big guys because there are fewer of them to share it. No chance for the big guys to advance to those prime slots as women will fill them right out of the gate.

What will the military do long-term? Probably start a new, more secret, more exclusive club where the men who join really can count on the standards being kept. The military will bury the membership, the very existence. Like the show The Unit. The Unit does not exist so it’s exempt from politically correct insanity. The SEALs were secret. Delta Force was secret. And while they were, they were the best. Now, they’re a social experiment. President Obama should rename the SEALs as “The Lightworker Brigade.”

Seriously, if women in front-line combat positions were a good idea, wouldn’t other countries have tried it before? Wouldn’t it be the standard model around the world already? Not talking about women taking up arms in desperate conflicts like the siege of Stalingrad or Israel (which has been pretty much a desperate situation from the day it was founded), I mean where are the female SAS troops, the female Foreign Legionnaires, show me the photos of Hildegard the SS-trooper?

I know, my lack of instant acceptance reveals me as a raciss, sexist, homophobe and besides, I have no proof it won’t work. Conceded, but I think it’s a bad idea to wait until I can offer the same proof as Tim the Enchanter . . . look at the bones, man! Look at the bones!

Joe Doakes

The publicity the SEALs have gotten recently may well be their undoing, unless the military develops the kind of policy backbone it hasn’t had in a few decades.  The Army unit formerly known as “Delta” – which hasn’t even gone by the name that replaced “Delta” in well over a decade – seems to have done more or less what Joe ascribed to the fictional “Unit”; adopted complete silence for both bureaucratic as well as operational security.

There’s also a long-standing rumor (that the Army and other sources constantly deny) that there’s an even-more-secret sub-unit in the unit formerly called “Delta” that does have mixed-gender operators at some level.  Intelligence people (and people who read about ’em) have long known that mixed-gender couples attract less attention from security than guys traveling alone, in pairs or small groups.  The theory is the mixed-gender unit does the “location scouting” in denied territory, using that basic tidbit of human psychology…

…but that, even if it’s true, is more a matter of espionage – at which women have a long and distinguished record – than fitnessfor knife-point combat.

14 thoughts on “GI Georgette

  1. A friend of mine is married to an Israeli woman. She served in the Israeli army in the late 70s and told me that women are expected to do their duty, regardless of what it is. This includes front line combat.

  2. “The theory is the mixed-gender unit does the “location scouting” in denied territory, using that basic tidbit of human psychology…”

    If we’re looking for a solution that actually enhances the operation, that’s the ticket. Women may well have what it takes to play important roles in front line combat situations, but that may not necessarilly be the snake-eater role.

    Use women’s natural strengths, do not dress them in a muscle suit and expect them to perform feats of strength.

  3. “I am skeptical but willing to be proven wrong, if it can be done safely… If a woman can beat them playing by the same rules, fine with me.”
    What Joe said.

  4. In fairness, the Red Army had a long history during the war of using female snipers and not just at Stalingrad.

    It’s estimated that about 2,000 women served in that capacity against Hitler, with about three-quarters of them being killed in action. They were utilized because of their capacity for patience which some of their male counterparts did not possess.

    Lyudmila Pavlichenko reportedly killed 309 German soldiers and 36 German snipers before being wounded and removed from active duty. Some of the women served as trainers for other Soviet snipers who followed them.

    That said, I don’t advocate women in combat positions. However, the Soviets did.

  5. Science tells us that an average fifty year old man is stronger than an average twenty year old women.
    This means I can beat up a girl.
    Watch out, girls!

  6. I’m going to note that even the Soviets did not knowingly put women on the front lines, but kept them hundreds of yards back as snipers. Do.the.math.

    Plus, they weren’t terribly worried about casualties. In discussing how to clear minefields, one Soviet field marshal noted that he simply used less favored infantry units. Again, do the math. Do we want to do this?

  7. A few years ago I read where the….I think it was Netherlands..army went on strike. Not making this up. One of their complaints was that they demanded cots while out in the field. No sleeping on the ground.

    Unfortunately, I see our armed services being evolved into just another gov’t agency, with all the social engineering.

  8. How many times have the protocols for physical ability tests been lessened in order to pass candidates for dangerous work that wouldn’t have made the grade otherwise, both in the military and civilian world? What could possibly go wrong….sigh

  9. I believe within the last decade or so, the Saint Paul Fire Department embarked (under court order) on this journey. Firefighting is far more strenous and physically demanding than any of the other first responder occupations.

    I’m not sure what the official determination of its effectiveness was, but unless the laws of physics were also changed, I don’t think a determination was necessary. The results should be readily apparent.

  10. She served in the Israeli army in the late 70s and told me that women are expected to do their duty, regardless of what it is. This includes front line combat.

    Maybe in the seventies during height of hostilities when everyone had to pitch in. Today – not so much. Mainly supporting roles only, front line duty is very rare.

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