Two Views Of Democracy In Action

Twenty-odd years ago, when I first got involved in Second Amendment politics, the DFL controlled both chambers of the Legislature and the Governor’s office as well.

And so there was a constant tug of war every time a putative gun control measure came up.  Real Americans from greater Minnesota would pack hearings at the Capitol to oppose the bills.  So the DFL would jockey the hearing times, dates and places around to try to shake off as many outstate voters as possible.

It worked, to an extent; the Real Americans would only outnumber the orcs 600:20 instead of 1200:20.

In the days before there was an internet, that took some doing.


There are more hearings  planned for 10AM and 6PM today.  For the latest information, go here.

Democracy.  To the 2nd Amendment movement – it’s about showing up and being counted.  To the DFL, it’s about keeping the wrong people from showing up.

5 thoughts on “Two Views Of Democracy In Action

  1. And if you do show up, then the Orcs on the committee run away:

    Yesterday, House Public Safety chair Michael Paymar promised equal time for testimony from proponents and opponent of “Rep. Alice Hausman’s Gun Control and Registration bill” (so-called “assault weapon” ban), HF0421.

    However, shortly after the opposition testimony began, five committee members left the hearing room and did not return.
    They are:

    Representative Debra Hilstrom, 651-296-3709
    Representative Shannon Savick, 651-296-8216
    Representative Dan Schoen, 651-296-4342
    Representative Erik Simonson, 651-296-4246
    Representative Linda Slocum, 651-296-7158

    These representatives decided not to become informed, They should immediately and permanently recuse themselves from voting on the legislation whose testimony they refused to hear.

    Call and leave a message stating that they should immediately and permanently recuse themselves from voting on the legislation whose testimony they refused to hear. (Email will not suffice, you can send it, but please call on the phone).

  2. Debra Hilstrom, Shannon Savick, Dan Schoen, Erik Simonson, Linda Slocum all pathetic loosers. They’re losing in the debate so they run for cover, DESPICABLE! Taking a cue from the Dims in the WI State Senate.

  3. The Bill of Rights offers much more effective and less costly checks on government power. There is the fourth amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure; the fifth amendment, which guarantees due process; the sixth amendment, which establishes fair trials; and so on. When these rights were hollowed out during the war on terror—by acts of Congress, the courts and even through executive orders—where was the outrage from those who see tyranny in every gun law?

    The second amendment has a lizard-brain appeal: it is sexier to imagine yourself a lone soldier for justice defending your loved ones against an oppressive, tyrannical government than it is to imagine yourself protesting warrantless wiretapping. I wonder if you had the same response to the Patriot Act.

  4. Madison’s Federalist Number 46:

    “Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.”

    In other words, there is the military forces of the United States.

    “The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. ”

    Population of the United: 311,591,917 (July, 2011, U.S. Census Bureau)
    United States armed forces strength: 1,438,638 (October, 2012, U.S. Department of Defense)

    One hundredth part of the whole number of souls: 3,115,919
    One twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms: 12,463,677

    Number of gun owners: 75,000,000 (estimated, averaged, various sources)

    You do the math: any authoritarian or tyrant trying to ascend to the exercise of oppression in the United States cannot: we are a republic of checks and balances, and even tyrants are not suicidal enough to disobey of Law of Cost-Benefit Analysis. Just by having tens of millions of citizens possessing arms for lawful purposes has been enough to prevent any idea of a dictatorial takeover of this country.

  5. The guy who can’t read a whole blog post asks “where was the … ?”.

    Not a surprise. Probably does most of his thinking with the “lizard-brain”. 😉

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