…the media’s dissection of the minutes of then-mayor Palin’s remarks about praying for an Alaska Huskies victory made during a 2003 meeting of the Wasilla City Council to bring you some actual signs that a vice presidential candidate is unqualified to serve:
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Katie Couric.
Herbert Hoover, actually, was the president in 1929. The crash happened largely because of pseudo-socialist meddling in the economy. Plenty of people got rich under FDR’s administration.
Oh, yeah – and while FDR was the first President to appear on television, it was ten years later.
A dumb flub? Yes (and one among many, many, many such for Biden). And one that, had it come from McCain or Palin, would have made the front page of the NYTimes.
“Herbert Hoover, actually, was the president in 1929.”
No shit?! – and you think Biden doesn’t know that? Venal point for Mitch Berg – I’m sure Biden wouldn’t POSSIBLY be speaking generally, right?
The crash happened largely because of pseudo-socialist meddling in the economy.
Bullshit – it happened because companies overleveraged leading to a crisis in confidence leading to a run on financial institutions – you need to stop drinking the kool-aid.
” Plenty of people got rich under FDR’s administration.”
Really? – Sure, some military arms manufacturers did during the war, THAT NEVER happened during Vietnam, Korea, NOW?!!!?? nope, sure didn’t.
But here’s some more facts that you conveniently left out.
In 1900 there were 20 Billionaires in the US – as measured by Univ California San Diego modelling=1 person worth 20,000 average joe wages. By 1930, there were 32 – a pace which was comensurate with the growth in population. By 1957, how many were there Mitch?
Let me help you – 17, by 1969, 13 – YET, this (1945-1975) period was the largest, most explosive growth period in the country’s history.
Roosevelt was NO tool of the rich, your implication is bull, just like blaming socialism for people taking out too much money against fundamentals and being unable to cover margin calls is bull.
BTW Mitch, when you choose to get exercised about people creating charicatures, I’d suggest you start looking in a mirror about your incessant drumbeat that EVERYTHING from Fascism to the 1929 collapse can somehow – through 6 degrees of separation it seems- be blamed on liberals, oh, and your party’s incipid little undercurrent of dehumanizing Islam – I know – NOT YOU – no no – just folks like Limpballs who say things like “Osama, Obama, Obama, Osama” – and oh, people like (fill in your own blan) who say that Islam supports terrorism. But hey! No charicatures here folks, pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.
No shit?! – and you think Biden doesn’t know that?
Doy.
Do you think if Palin had made the same flub, the Dems and their toadies in the MSM would be cutting her the same slack?
As to facts that I “conveniently left out” – what, you think every blog post has to cover every possible tangent completely? Leave aside that none of your tangents impacts my topic in any way – saying “you left some tangents out of your post” is either terribly pointillistic or, if that’s the way you write, a sign of someone who needs to learn to organize their thoughts a lot better.
Dear Peev:
Go screw yourself.
Sincerely,
The World.
A lot of talk on various blogs about this and Biden’s other flubs including an anti-coal statement and criticism of the McCain e-mail commercial that Biden later walked back, yesterday. (Not many noted that Perky Katie didn’t catch the FDR flub.) When Axlerod told The One to select Biden, I thought he was spotting McCain 10 points in the contest due to his confidence that The One would win handily. One must wonder how much longer Short Bus Joe will be on the ticket and when Axelrod will tell The One to leave the gun, grab the cannolis and get Hillary on board.
Don Preciado whinged:
Venal point for Mitch Berg –
Precious One, look up the meaning of the word “venal”
I’m sure Biden wouldn’t POSSIBLY be speaking generally, right?
like you were speaking generally a while back when you asserted that Calvin Coolidge began the cold war or when you assert that Richard Nixon was president in 1975?
what a maroon!
penigma said:
“you need to stop drinking the kool-aid”
A funny line from a funny man.
I’m sure that Biden will sleep better knowing that there are Peevees all across the country, sitting on the edges of their highchairs, excitedly wobbling their heads while he makes an ass of himself on national television.
Say, Peevee? Wipe your chin, dolt.
“Roosevelt was NO tool of the rich”
No, he was just a tool. And you’ve got his portrait hanging over your crib, don’t you little peevee?
Sure you do.
Wipe your chin.
Roosevelt, the man who had retail store owners arrested for cutting the prices on their goods.
Deleno demanded that the poor of America pay higher prices for their basic goods. No wonder Democrats hate Wal-Mart so much.
Crickets… that is the sound of crickets.
‘. . . I’d suggest you start looking in a mirror about your incessant drumbeat . . .”
Look in a mirror to find out something about a drumbeat? He’s gotta be making these whacky, mixed-up constructions on purpose.
Peev, you’re missing the point. Which isn’t that Joe Biden is a moron because he had another one of his gaffes, anymore than it was that Barry O really thinks that we have the same number of states that Kerry’s wife has ketchup flavors.
The point, and it’s not a subtle one, is that the incessant drumbeating of Palin-as-dumb-eyecandy and McCain-as-senile stories are based on lesser sorts of flubs that Biden and Barry are allowed, by the MSM, to pretty much skate on.
Do you honestly think that if Palin or McCain had said, in so many words, that Roosevelt was the President during the Crash, it wouldn’t have been front page news?
Well said, JoelR.
I’ve only seen this gaffe effect in the media, never in one-on-one political discussions online, with friends, or with fellow students in a classroom.
Remember the hatred and belittlement of Dan Qualye? Right about 1993, VP Al Gore went to Jefferesons Monticello in Virginia. As he was be shown Jeffereson’s office, Algore looked at a bust and asked “who is that?”, to which the docent said, “Ummm, that is Thomas Jefferson”.
To which Chuck thought “geesh, 6 mos after Dan Qualye leaves office, suddenly a VP can say anything stupid and it gets no media play (Rush Limbaugh played the audio of the incidence).
Damn, didn’t mean to hit submit yet. That same spring or summer, Algore got lost in the woods while hiking. MSM carried it as a serious story. No belittlement or mocking him.
If Dan Qualye had gotten lost in a little county park…….
Cut Slow Joe smoe slack. He is clean and articulate, after all. That’s important!
But he’s kind of your typical white grandfather.
My grandfather was much better than Joe Biden. He didn’t keep telling people how he was the smartest man in the room.
Joe Biden:
“After seven years, in which our senior diplomatic personnel were not allowed to make a single contact with Iranians, the Bush administration realized the absurdity of its own policy and sent our leading diplomat to Iran,” he said. “The Assistant Secretary of State as he went to Tehran, sat down at the instruction of the President of the United States.”
The US has not had any diplomats in Iran since they deposed the Shaw.
Biden is the Bill O’Reilly of the left.
Peni,
FWIW, with unemployment floating between 14% to 30%, & people literally starvingto death while FDR mandated that food be destroyed rather than eaten…
Well, he was no friend of the “common man” either.
Even with the government given draconian powers and dedicated to providing jobs they couldn’t get unemployment lower than 15%. Remember the Humprey-Hawkins Fulle Employment Act? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Employment_and_Balanced_Growth_Act
Another product of the Carter era.
“Pseudo-socialist meddling in the economy” under Hoover, eh? Only wingnuts could swallow tripe like this.
Mmmmm…tripe.
AC,
Go buy a book! Hoover was very much into social experiments. He was no conservative, as Coolidge was. Much of what Hoover started could be considered “New Deal Light”. The biggest difference between Hoover & FDR, was Hoover attemped to stay within the confines of the Constitution, FDR thought the Constitution got in his way, & ignored/destroyed it.
The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes is now in paperback.
AC, look at Murray Rothbard’s “The Great Depression,” available from http://www.mises.org for free. It demonstrates clearly that both Hoover and Roosevelt were no fans of limited government, and the government interventions during the Depression started fast and furious….in October 1929.
And yes, only those who have actually looked at the data believe this. If that makes us wingnuts, let us be hand-tightened and serve our purpose.
“When it was all over, I once made a list of New Deal ventures begun during HOOVER’S years as secretary of commerce and then as president… The New Deal owed much to what he had begun.”
-Rexford Tugwell
Adviser to FDR, Member of FDR’s “Brain Trust”, & served FDR as assistant secretary of agriculture, professor of economics at Columbia Univ.
Thanks, Bike Bubba. Angryclown finds that free books from the Internet are worth what you pay for them. I’ll put that one on my reading list right below “Dianetics.”
Ignorance is expensive. AC, you must be worth BILLIONS!