Do You Remember…

…when conservative Republican Dave Kleis, mayor of Saint Cloud, barred gay-friendly Starbucks from that city?


OK.  How about when Pat Anderson, the conservative Republican mayor of Eagan, spoke out against gay-friendly Target locating a store in her city?

Got nothing?

Well, of course not – because there really are no examples of conservative mayors using the power of their city government to squelch a legitimate business, not due to the business itself or the behavior of its customers, but because of the political beliefs of the business’ owners outside the business itself.

But the headlines are alive with the stories of the mayors of Boston and Chicago bringing the full weight of government down against “Chick-Fil-A” – using the city’s regulatory apparatus to try to keep the chain of (apparently) restaurants out of their cities, not because Chick-Fil-A discriminates against anyone in any part of its business life, but because its owners, in their private, non-business lives, oppose gay marriage.

I don’t know what Chick-Fil-A is.  I mean I know, it’s a fast food joint of some kind.   I don’t think they’re even in Minnesota.  But what the heck – this deserves a free ad:

More seriously?

One of the early objections to the idea of gay marriage was that if you made it the law of the land, then it’s a very short leap – a step, really – to requiring churches to perform them. Just like with civil rights rules regarding, say, renting that violate landlords’ rights to free association on their private property, or the ongoing official persecution of the Boy Scouts for their not-gay philosophy; it is just a matter of time before politicians, eager to rack up points with their bases (left or right) abuse the law and use the full weight of their government bureaucracies to penalize churches that oppose gay marriage on theological grounds.

What was the saying?  “First they came for the fast food restaurants – but I did nothing, because I was Vegan.  Then they came for the churches that didn’t perform gay marriages, and I did nothing, because I support gay marriage and am a post-structural Unitarian.  Then they came for me, and nobody did anything,  because I’m so freaking annoying”?  Is that how it went?

33 thoughts on “Do You Remember…

  1. I have had Chick-Fil-A sandwiches and they are DELICIOUS. You can take 10 of McDonalds ‘Southern Chicken’ sandwich (a blatant ripoff of the Chick-Fil-A sandwich) combined and they wouldn’t be nearly as tasty. I would cross any picket line to eat one and even brave the consequences of the highest intellectual weapon in the Liberal arsenal, the Glitter Bomb, to have one.
    With the president of Chick-Fil-A being vilified for expressing the same opinion that President Obama had of Same Sex Marriage until a few months ago, we are now at the point in the Seinfeld episode where if you don’t wear the “AID’s” Ribbon while walking in the Walk for AID’s, you will have a finger wagged in your face til near death and if they think it serious enough, Glitter Bombed.
    Hey – Let’s invite Lefty to a big ol’ demonstration that will intimidate the ‘Straights’ from eating at a Chick-Fil-A. Let’s have it this Sunday – that will show ’em!

  2. I checked. There are 2 Chik-Fil-A’s in the Twin Cities; one is at the U (good luck with that!) and the other is at the airport. I’ve never tried their sandwich and would really like to, but neither location is very convenient for me.

    But you’ve hit the point exactly, Mitch. This is where the liberal fascists’ secret tattoos peep out from under their designer shirts.

  3. I have no problem with people advocating to boycott Chick-fil-A.

    But I absolutely and emphatically agree with you that they should not be barred from operating anywhere they wish, so long as they conform to local requirements.

    Here is the distinctive difference though that you omit with referneces to the Boy Scouts; the Boy Scouts tend to use public facilities for at least some of their activiies, especially meetings. They should not be allowed to prevent people from those activities, or to benefit for that matter from a tax exempt status if they unfairly and unreasonably discriminate for any reason – disability, race or religion, or sexual orientation. It is the righties who are the fascists, discriminating against people. The Boy Scouts are not supposed to reflect any specific religion; their position is one which is religious; many of the varieties of Christianity disagree with the Mormons and the Roman Catholics position on homosexuality -and it is the Mormons and the RC who provide most of the funding to the Boy Scouts. It is one thing if churches wish to exercise their religion; it is another when they use non-profit secular tax exempt organizations to promote a religious belief that discriminates. To argue that it protects boys perpetuates the kind of lies about homosexuality and pedophilia that your buddy Bradlee Dean perpetuates. The overwhelming majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

    If you look at the instances of advocating violence against people, it comes pretty exclusively from the right, including the targeting of gays for bullying and outright physical brutality and even murder. That wold be far more genuinely right wing fascist than anything from liberals.

    You are correct that discrimination should not take place against Chick fil a; you are wrong about how the right discriminates in far worse ways, and reflect a really unfortunate bigotry.

  4. Lars, thanks for the tip about the U. I’ve been dying for a Chick-fil-a. We ate them across the South on vacation.

    Mitch, think of the McDonald’s BBQ pork sandwich, then think of a Famous Dave’s BBQ pork sandwich. Think of McDonalds salad, then think of Olive Garden salad. Think of McDonalds Chicken Nuggest, then think of Col. Sander’s popcorn chicken. They’re trying, I get that, but there’s just no way McDonalds’ substutite products are in the same class as the original

    Now think of McDonalds Southern Chicken Sandwich and know it’s the substitute for Chick-fil-a. Getting the hint at what you’re missing?

  5. I’d write more to respond to the Dog, but I’ve got to get busy perpetrating more violence, especially against women and minorities, I’m way under quota on my rapes and killings. Gotta go . . .

  6. Muslims discriminate against homosexuals. I notice a certain canine commenter has managed to omit them from her screed. Bigotry? You decide.

  7. I read that there is supposed to be a third Chick-Fil-A restaurant that is scheduled to open in the northern suburbs in 2013. I honestly had never heard of this business until they made enemies list of the professional grievance mongers but I understand that they make a peach milkshake which I am very eager to try 🙂

  8. This is one of the reasons I am passionatly against changing the definition of marriage to include homosexual couples or groups. They have pledged to destroy anything and anyone who doesn’t totally conform. Just like with the health care law forcing church run institutions to purchase products that go against their beliefs, the gay crowd will destroy churches, religous schools, businesses, etc.

  9. The Chick-Fil-A @ the U is very limited in hours. It is run by whomever runs the other food outlets at the student union. My son, who attends the U, says that it is really not a good representation of Chick-Fil-A. There are a lot of them in FL and TX. Really great food, restaurants are well kept. When passing through areas with them, I try to stop at least once.

  10. If you look at the instances of advocating violence against people, it comes pretty exclusively from the right, including the targeting of gays for bullying and outright physical brutality and even murder.

    Not a shred of evidence for this vile statement.

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  12. For kicks, I visited Penigma to read up on gun safety rules. Her basic argument was: you can’t be sure of your backstop in that dark, noisy theatre so you shouldn’t shoot.

    And that’s pretty much all there is to the argument, even on her website. NOBODY should shoot under those circumstances, not even the responding police officers. It’s not safe.

    Uh, perhaps there could be a sliding scale of “not safe” in this situation? Sitting in your seat patiently waiting to be shot – not safe. Shooting the bad guy before he shoots you – medium safe (not absolutely safe; but if you stop him from shooting you, then it’s at least safer than waiting to be shot).

    It’s almost as if blind hatred reflexively over-rode the logic circuit.

  13. I frequented Burger Timie in Waite Park because they were cheap and filling. Supposedly owned by Christians – building shaped like a cross – didn’t care: great food, cheap price.

    If you don’t like the taste of Chick-fil-a, don’t eat there.
    If you don’t like the politics of Chick-fil-a’s owners, don’t eat there.
    But let me do as I please.
    But let me

  14. DG,

    I noted yesterday that libs have a tendency to have one round of factoids – or, more often, chanting points – that they’re good for in a discussion. After that, they have to fall back on ad-hominem, jacking up the emotional level, or running away.

    It’s intellectually dishonest, and it’s cowardly.

    Your twaddle about violence has been shown, in these pages, for the past decade, to be pure fiction.

    Gotta say it, DG; your MO is getting a little stale.

  15. The level of debate on the Left is horrible. Self-righteousness is the price you pay for believing your opinions are facts.
    It’s the result of living in a sewer of polluted language. Absolutes are modified at will (as DG did when she wrote “pretty exclusively”), political positions held by a large majority of your fellow citizens are “extreme” (voter ID, immigration enforcement), racism is seen where there is no evidence that racism exists.
    Eventually you start thinking that it is bigoted to oppose the idea of sending groups of teenage boys on camping trips with homosexuals.

  16. I have to say that I, too, love Chick-Fil-A! We had them in Houston and I ate there at least once per week.

    To anyone’s knowledge, has Doggy Doo ever cried foul after her Fuhrer Obumbler revealed that he ate dog? Probably not, because in her twisted world, any acts perpetrated against man or animal by a libturd, is OK.

  17. Terry, sometimes evidence does exist;

    ” In short, it tracks perfectly with the NRA tendency for their gun nuts to be old, white, flabby and crabby, conservative and not well educated.”

    A bigot of the first order, DG expresses her sexist, ageist, and racist views on a regular basis.

  18. Not that the one hit wonder will ever even SEE, let alone reply to this rebuttal, but:

    If you look at the instances of advocating violence against people, it comes pretty exclusively from the right, including the targeting of gays for bullying and outright physical brutality and even murder. That wold be far more genuinely right wing fascist than anything from liberals.

    I personally am not that far away from responding to everything she posts with a 4 letter acronym. (No, not tl;dr….one that is less polite)

  19. The unabomber should be on that list.
    The Left consistently misuses the word “fascist”. Mussolini described fascism as “everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State”. Not a lot of conservatism in that. It’s a downright liberal sentiment. Look at Rahm Emmanuel’s statement that Chik-fil-a was not welcome in Chicago:
    “Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values. They’re not respectful of our residents, our neighbors and our family members. And if you’re gonna be part of the Chicago community, you should reflect Chicago values” was textbook fascism.

  20. Final (maybe) words. If Hitler was a conservative, why didn’t he put the Kaiser back in power? The Fascists did not see themselves as conservatives, they saw themselves as revolutionaries, bringing a radically new concept of social organization to mankind, like all modern, totalitarian movements.

  21. Terry,

    Mussolini multiplied the Italian social welfare state, ran deficits that destroyed the economy, and saw himself as a revolutionary as well.

    Hitler was moreso – akin to Lenin in many ways – although more cautious in the sense that he co-opted rather than destroyed existing institutions.

    The left-wing notion that Hitler was conservative is at best a simplistic response to the idea that Hitler attacked Russia, so they MUST be the opposite -and at worst, a distraction from the crimes of leftism.

  22. Academic definitions of fascism usually seize on the notion that fascists build on existing institutions within society, while communists seek to build an entirely new society (one reason why Hitler worked through existing institutions to a greater extent than Mussolini is that Germany’s institutions had had a nationalistic and militaristic orientation since Bismarck).
    The problem with this academic definition — fascism is backward looking, e.g. conservative, while marxist communism is forward looking, e.g. progressive — is that it is useless. All reforms, other than marxist revolutionary reforms, are to a large extent built on existing institutions, yet not all — or even a meaningful fraction — reformed states become totalitarian states. The political structures of most European states were drastically reformed between 1890 and 1920. Only three ended up in the hands of fascists.

  23. “Gotta say it, DG; your MO is getting a little stale.”

    That’s downright generous of you, Mitch. They’ve unearthed bread from the city of Pompeii that’s less stale.

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