23 thoughts on “15:53

  1. After ACORN, he was unjustly smeared.

    This stunt was stupid.

    What’s so complicated?

    Sometimes I think Tim is a conservative doing a bad parody of a liberal.

  2. Right now it seems it is a he said she said story. O’Keefe might very well have tried exactly what she said or maybe not. I don’t understand what his angle would be. Cnn Reporter spurns lout’s advances?

    What reporter goes out w/o a recording device of some kind? Even if it isn’t an official interview. Especially when you know that the person you are speaking to has done work with hidden cameras.

    Wait for this to play out, don’t jump the gun either way.

  3. That’s what I was thinking, jpmn… his “are your phones working all right?” bit was twisted by the media before he even spoke publicly, so there may be something to it this time too.

    Tim’s too eager. Such is always the case, though.

  4. Afer ACORN, he was properly criticized and discredited, and has narrowly avoided prosecution for his illegal actions.

    Which I wrote about recently – and featured you and SitD prominently – in http://penigma.blogspot.com/2010/09/left-or-right-wrong-is-wrong.html , in response to a recent factcheck.org item.

    This is pretty much one of the possibilities I would have expected from O’Keefe, trying to regain his place in the media that he had during the height of the ACORN hoax. He fell pretty far after the Landrieu flop, and hasn’t made a come back so far.

    If it is a correct story – and I am waiting to see if it is or not – then I would imagine that all of the rock-ribbed Republicans who put this guy up for congressional commendation and the Reagan Freedom Fighters award must be justifiably proud of those honors now (not).

  5. idiot, I think he got lightning in a bottle with that ACORN stunt. Kid should have quit while he’s ahead.

  6. he was properly criticized and discredited

    Well, no. He was attacked by the same pack of liberal hamsters that try to destroy every conservative they see as a threat, no matter what their relative merit.

    O’Keefe shredded ACORN like a lawnmower going through a cabbage patch. Point O’Keefe.

    Like a lot of precocious post-adolescents, I suspect O’Keefe adopted the Ferris Bueller philosophy – “you can never go too far”. Of course, you can, and it’d seem he may have.

  7. I join Dog Gone in condemning O’Keefe for exposing ACORN’s consultancy in the underage sex trade. I mean when Congress, which has (soon to be had) a significant Democratic majority, voted to defund ACORN due to a few videotapes of ACORN managers coordinating the ‘ho trade, it was a devastating blow to pimps everywhere. And you wingnuts think you are so “pro-business”.

    Preach On! DG! Lots of underage hookers look to you to keep their exploitation under cover (not).

  8. When did ANY of you actually check out the unedited recordings?

    Never?

    What O’Keefe did was to video people in an entrapment situation, convincing them that their help was essential in a life or death situation.

    He then edited out all of their attempts to help through legal means, all of the statements condemning child prostitution and illegal immigration, to appear that they were willing to be complicit in criminal activity. And he added separately filmed detail – and lied about it – to make it more convincing.

    Multiple separate legal investigations of the unedited tapes – the ones that O’Keefe kept claiming he would release, but which were only obtained by subpoena accompanied by immunity agreements – proved that was what O’Keefe did.

    Now, I would condemn the low-level employees who were gullible enough to fall for O’Keefe and Gile’s hoax, but I equally condemn all of you for being too quick to believe O’Keefe.

    I just posted an update to my post on Penigma about O’Keefe, and a similar stunt in deception through editing by Rep. Alan Grayson. That update notes that O’Keefe is claiming not to have been the person responsible for this — and his claim makes sense. His claim that it actually originated with CNN does not.

    Be a bit less gullible people. Do some factchecking for a change, for god sake.

  9. Ooops, I forgot to mention that O’Keefe also was demonstrated to have misrepresented the actions of multiple ACORN offices, including his claim that was demonstrably false that all of the ACORN offices were willing to be complicit in illegal immigrant child prostitution.

    A few of the people in those offices were guilty of being too willing to help someone in trouble, too willing to believe people who were lying to them. They were guilty of being gullible and of using bad judgement. O’Keefe was a fraud, who went after ACORN for legitimately registering and encouraging to vote too many people for the right who voted.

  10. “A few of the people in those offices were guilty of being too willing to help someone in trouble, too willing to believe people who were lying to them. They were guilty of being gullible and of using bad judgement.”

    Geez, DG; you just defined the entire Demonrat party!

    Nice job! I couldn’t have said it better myself!

  11. Sorry Dog. I watched O’Keefe’s video. If we had an actual Justice Department instead of Eric Holder’s political joke, ACORN would be facing RICO prosecution right now.

  12. So in Dog Gone’s World a pimp and his #1 ‘ho trying to set up a brothel with underage girls = someone in trouble who needs help.

    If I had not seen it myself, I would not believe it.

    DG – Are you certain that your identity hasn’t been burgled as was put forth in a recent comment here at SiTD?
    You and your writing partner Penigma have put forth all kinds of crazy ideas here, but this tops them all.

  13. Also in Dog Gone’s World – Looking the other way at an political allies indescretions = not being gullible.

    Do you think all the people targeted by 60 Minutes, Dateline, 20/20, et al, wouldn’t love to have the raw unedited footage and everything that hit the cutting room floor made available to them? Don’t you think more than a few could tease some “context” out of what viewers didn’t see before Mike Wallace or Baba Wawa or Stone Phillips declared them guilty?

    But the last paragraph of your 12:20 comment is a good reminder to people everywhere…
    http://www.amazon.com/Its-Close-They-Cant-Cheat/dp/0785263195

  14. If any of you genuinely believe that I would condone child prostitution, or even illegal immigration, you are wrong. ( Mitch, I would hope you would corroborate that.)

    I also oppose rape. What O’Keefe did was essentially very like someone making a false accusation of rape to manipulate what people think. If you oppose actual rape, false accusations of it are something you emphatically condemn.

    Like I condemn O’Keefe’s behavior.

    If you are relying on O’Keefe’s videos, then you should be aware that even Breitbart has backed away from supporting them. Look at Alan Grayson’s recent attack ad in Florida, taking an actual statement made by his opponent, Dan Webster, where he edits the statement – Webster’s actual words – to appear the opposite. I condemn Grayson’s actions as well. Then consider if the same was done by O’Keefe to those videos you believe in so emphatically.

    Ask yourself an important question. Would you be willing to believe complete strangers, who had no expectation of compensation or benefit, would willingly just join in illegal immigration and/or child prostitution? They would risk criminal consequences ………..for what?

    Would you be as willing to believe this of other people who are clearly trying to be helpful – even in the video left after editing – if they shared YOUR politics or ideology, or if you didn’t already know their political affiliation?

    I’m guessing not. Because it is not plausible that people would act that way. And fact checking doesn’t support O’Keefe’s version of events by anyone.

    Look up ‘moral panic’ and ‘moral entrepreneurs’ and ‘folk devils’ — all sociology concepts — on Wikipedia. They aren’t definitive texts, but for brief summaries they happen to be pretty good articles.

    I dont think you have the guts, or a sufficiently open mind to read about it on Penigma.

    Pay particular attention to the five characteristics of moral panic identified by Goode and Ben-Yahuda.

    One of the things I have learned from my continued relationship with the victims of the Cook/Kiley/ et al Affinity Scam is that ideology is used by exploitive people not only to gain trust, but to cause a suspension of normal skepticism that would prevail otherwise.

    I think that is what is taking place here. You are putting your ideology in place of the skepticism that you would use if politics weren’t driving this.

    It’s no different than my first encoutner here with KR (Hi KR!), whom I now regard as a friend, and whom I consider a very smart man in many ways. He believed a hoax about Biden’s daughter, for similar ideology-driven reasons.

    Or you can continue in your headlong moral panic.

  15. dg said:
    “is that ideology is used by exploitive people not only to gain trust, but to cause a suspension of normal skepticism that would prevail otherwise. “

    I couldn’t have described the Dayton campaign better.

  16. Be a bit less gullible people.
    Gullible? You believe ACORN’s claim that it was non-partisan, Dog Gone.

  17. “even Breitbart has backed away from supporting them”
    What is your source for that, DG? Please don’t send me to Media Matters, Crooks & Liars, etc. The claims made there have been refuted on the record by Brietbart. Update your bookmarks.

    “Now, I would condemn the low-level employees who were gullible enough to fall for O’Keefe and Gile’s hoax”
    So you acknowledge that some low-level staffers did give assistance to O’Keefe even as he was ‘conservatively’ dressed (Media Matters term) pimp or “Love Broker” for you “Night Shift” fans. I’ve been at the lowest level of a few different organizations, including a facility that offered assistance to the homeless, the drunk and the just plain mentally ill. In the five years I was there, we never offered to help anyone break the law or looked the other way when crime was about to be committed. We called the cops.

    DG – I know you don’t condone child prostitution or illegal immigration or rape. Mitch doesn’t have to vouch for you – I’ll trust you. I’m a long time reader (and getting to be too frequent commenter) of this blog and if you’re a friend of Mitch’s I’ll take it on good authority that you are not totally insane. But when you say something as silly as these ACORN staffers were just trying to help this pimp and his ‘ho, that has to be challenged.

    I don’t know where O’Keefe got the idea that ACORN would help out a pimp trying to set up a brothel – but when he cast his line, these “low-level staffers” – including an attorney if memory serves, bit down hard and the fight was on. In was in their subsequent denials and ACORN managements attempt at a cover-up, that they were played like an accordian by Breitbart who after each denial released yet another video refuting ACORN claims. That is what did their organization in.

    With regard to hoaxes – I’ve had an ACORN affiliated organization try one on me in another town years ago. I was a landlord and the local ACORN affiliate decided to test if I would discriminate against their actors. They sent two women who claimed to be sisters along with the one womans boyfriend who were going to rent a 2 bedroom apartment with the sisters two kids. They were a mixed race couple – I guess that was where the discrimination was supposed to come from. Long story short – like all the prospective renters I gave them the tour, an application and told them to come back with a completed application and the required deposit. Apparently I passed the test as I never heard from them again. Later a friend told me it was a housing org. seeing if they could sue me for discrimination. Shoot, should have billed them for wasting my time.

    As for your accusation of ‘moral panic’ – I read through some of what you wrote as well as some of the Wiki references. How O’Keefe’s exposure of ACORN has to do with a couple of fiscal charlatans hiding behind the cross and spouting Jesus here in MN I don’t know. I might bill you for wasting my time on that.

    PS: Please don’t use anything written on Alternet as an original source – honestly have some respect for your readers and yourself.

  18. PS: Please don’t use anything written on Alternet as an original source

    I know nothing about Alternet, but counseling other on citing sources just after writing, “Later a friend told me it was a housing org. seeing if they could sue me for discrimination,” as if that is evidence of anything, is pretty funny.

  19. If any of you genuinely believe that I would condone child prostitution, or even illegal immigration, you are wrong.

    But ripping children out of the womb, quite literally limb from limb, well that’s another story, right DG?

    *facepalm*

    I’m beginning to think O’Keefe counted on the predictable papspew from dim-witted moonbats to provide the smoke if things went wrong…and it looks like he was on to something.

  20. “counseling other on citing sources just after writing, “Later a friend told me it was a housing org. seeing if they could sue me for discrimination,” as if that is evidence of anything, is pretty funny.”

    I feel the same way every time I see a cop on TV telling someone “don’t lie to the police”, or whenever I observe a moonbat suggest others “fact check” their opinions.

  21. You know, instead of the Landrieu stunt and this, O’Keefe should have revealed how he figured that many ACORN branches would fall for a child prostitution ring. Then instead of just him and Hannah Giles, it would have been everyone to the right of Bill Clinton watching them–and perhaps also anyone to the left of Clinton with a functioning conscience.

  22. It appears that Rick Sanchez (This story broke on his show) has called Jon Stewart a bigot then he went after the Joooos.

    Stewart has called Sanchez stupid. Rick thought that any insult to him must also be bigoted.

    I fully recognize that Sanchez being stupid and or bigoted has nothing to do with the facts of the O’Keefe matter. But IMO Rick will say or do just about anything to discredit someone he doesn’t care for.

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