You Can Lie, But You Can Not Get Away With It!

Earlier today, I bagged on the regional left for recycling each others’ stories long after they’ve been debunked.

It’s tempting to think it’s because they’re all talking from the same slate of topics. It’s so prevalent it’s also tempting to think that it’s a matter of top-down policy – to repeat not only the big lies but the little ones often enough that people start to believe it.

Over at Cackling Spoo“Spot” repeats an old slander:

[GOP gubernatorial nominee Tom Emmer] also been a fan and financial supporter of Bradlee Dean…

Of course, if you want the facts about anything to do with politics, you need to go to a conservative blog.  This “issue” is no exception; we gut-shot that particular meme two months ago.

Twin Cities leftyblogs; continually confirming the adage “Distrust, then verify.  Then carry on with the distrust”.

20 thoughts on “You Can Lie, But You Can Not Get Away With It!

  1. It’s hard to believe “Spot” actually makes a living as a lawyer, until one considers what the legal profession has become in this country. Then it makes perfect sense.

  2. How he makes his living as a lawyer might be clear from something my carry permit instructor mentioned; a lawyer may try to intimidate witnesses by saying “you DO remember that you are under oath, right?”

    The proper response; “Yessir. Let the court know that I am under oath, and you are not.”

  3. Don’t be obtuse, Disco.

    As I’ve said, I think they have the right to build their mosque; I also believe that the project exists entirely as a propaganda tool. I’d be happy to be proven wrong – but I’m not holding my breath.

    You seem to have trouble accepting that there are two sides to the Cordova story, and to go “Nya nya nya I can’t hear you” to the side that’s inconvenient to what I’m seeing as your perspective.

  4. I think they have the right to build their mosque;

    And you are in the minority of people opposing it. I’ve heard far more calls for some zoning law to stop it.

    For what it’s worth, I’d rather see an actual center for science built there. But I feel that way whenever I see a church being built.

    My point here was your argument that “How it’s seen today is what matters” can also be used to describe how people see someone who has pleaded 2 DWIs down to reckless driving. And it’s not a good argument.

  5. And you are in the minority of people opposing it. I’ve heard far more calls for some zoning law to stop it.

    Almost as if it were a WalMart or a gun shop or something.

    For what it’s worth, I’d rather see an actual center for science built there. But I feel that way whenever I see a church being built.

    I’d love to see them build a structure that metaphorically symbolized the “Science Uber Alles” community’s case against religion; it’d have very garish walls and an interior furnished by WalMart; ironically, neither the foundation nor the roof would ever get finished; there’d always be some kind of problem requiring one more pour, one more joist. And the closer they came to finishing it, the more floors they’d realize they’d have to build.

    My point here was your argument that “How it’s seen today is what matters” can also be used to describe how people see someone who has pleaded 2 DWIs down to reckless driving. And it’s not a good argument.

    It’s not a good argument, because it would be a stupid argument to make. Hence nobody, least of all Tom Emmer, makes it.

    Other than that? Just like it.

    That’ll be the subject of a blog post sometime this week.

  6. And you are in the minority of people opposing it.
    In related news, Stooj thinks Mark Dayton is both sane and qualified to be Governor on Minnesota. His position on the existence of Sasquatch has yet to be revealed.

  7. Almost as if it were a WalMart or a gun shop or something.

    Usually, such bans are sweeping. No gun shops, no giant retail stores. No one is suggesting that no houses of worship be allowed by Ground Zero. Just one particular style. (I’m not big on banning Wal-Mart or gun shops, by the way)

    And are you suggesting that science is a poor basis for architecture? Duuhhh-okay.

    Kermit, most people opposing the mosque are calling for New York to not allow it there. Mitch says he doesn’t think the government should step in and stop it being built. So he is in the minority of those opposing the mosque.

  8. 1. It is not a mosque – unless you believe that traditional mosques come with swimming pools and auditoriums, and are open to all faiths for prayer?

    2. There is absolutely no indicstion this group is in any way radical; quite the opposite given their activity with interfaith groups.

    However the opposition does seem to track with those who are islamophobes who would oppress and repress freedom of religion by making it difficult for anyone anywhere to build new mosques, or to continue to practice their faith in existing mosques. It seems to be strictly the right that wants a ban and/or a moratorium on mosques.

    3. If this is too close to ‘hallowed’ ground, what about the mosque – an actual mosque – five blocks away – can that stay? How about the stripper club and the adult bookstore – are they appropriately respectful of the hallowed ground, or do they have to go too?

    4. the whole building-a-mosque premise as some sort of architectural equivalent of a victory dance in the end zone after a football touchdown — does that apply to Christian churches built on the site of previous religious buildings? Because there has been an awful lot of that as well. Or is that reserved for religions you don’t like at any given moment?

    If this is what Nut Gingrich means by the U.S. being a Christian nation that merely tolerates other faiths, that is the best argument for affirming we are a secular nation of people who are deeply religious in their faith of choice that anyone could make.

  9. “Maybe the Stooj is a lawyer too.”

    Nope, try crooked copper. (sorry for the redundency)

    Is there any difference between deegee and dkos/du/sorosphere?

    Nope.

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    1. You

    2. act

    3. like

    4. a useful idiot

  10. even Muslims note what the real intent of the Ground Zero Mosque is

    JPI, you really should read what you linked to. It says nothing of the sort.

    This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens

    He says some muslims somewhere (no citation) are saying this. That is not a claim of the “intent” of the mosques. The only claim of the builders’ intent he makes is,

    I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits.

    He also says,

    I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam.

    So he’s saying most muslims do not want to claim some kind of victory from 9/11, and that he’s against the mosque because islam haters will use it to attack islam.

    It may be moot, though. It seems the builders may only own half of the lot. That would make it hard for them to build there.

  11. Right back at you, DiscoSucks:

    I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district.

    Then WHY build it?

  12. Because there might be muslims who work on Wall Street who would like a nearby place to worship?

    Because it’s New York City and he already (maybe) owns the land?

    Because he doesn’t want what terrorists think to control his actions?

    Just a few possibilities.

  13. There are more than a hundred mosques already in NYC, yet you conveniently ignore there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district..

    There is no sense me even asking if you get the symbolism behind the name – “Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque at the start of, and as a symbol of, their conquest of Spain.”

  14. no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district.

    Read my 1st example.

    “Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque at the start of, and as a symbol of, their conquest of Spain.”

    They built a symbol of something that hadn’t happened yet? Is that like dumping Gatorade on the coach at the beginning of the game and hoping you win?

    Oh, also, Cordoba was the site of a golden age of art, science and philosophy, as well as mostly peaceful co-existance of muslims, christians and jews. But that couldn’t be the reason behind the name, could it?

  15. Read my 1st example.

    Other 100+ mosques wont’ do? Or one that is a couple of blocks to the north, let’s say?

    “They built a symbol of something that hadn’t happened yet?”

    Andalusia was not part of Spain?

    as well as mostly peaceful co-existance of muslims, christians and jews.

    At a price, literally. You do know what a dhimmi is, don’t you? Of course you do, otherwise you would not defend building a mosque at it’s current proposed site.

    Please note, most people who are opposed to Cordova mosque couldn’t care less if it was built elsewhere.

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