Blue On Blue
By Mitch Berg
Allegations of rampant vote fraud…
…brought by Democrats against Obama, from the 2008 Democratic Primaries.
Read the whole thing.
And then ask yourself if you really believe it all stopped cold at the end of the Dem primary/caucus season.
July 12th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Hillary accused Obama of not being properly vetted. She was born and raised in Chicago and its suburbs. She knows what politics is like there.
Obama criticized Hillary for voting for the Iraq War.
Then Obama got elected and he appointed Hillary Secretary of State. And she accepted.
Do you ever think that they are just messing with us?
July 12th, 2010 at 11:19 am
I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but I do believe that the Clintons would do anything to get back in power. Hmmm, Obama’s approval ratings suck. Democrats set for big loses in November, and suddenly we get this story? I smell a challenger in 2012 and it rhymes with Millory Minton.
But on the other hand…..Obama is someone who would do anything to win. Move to Chicago to become “black”. Join a racist church as that would elevate him in his neighborhood, but then disown it when he went national. Find dirt on his political opponents in Illinois. His people were even doing voter registration/campaigning in a liquor store I visited in Des Moines in Oct 2008.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I predict that the Dems will more and more appear as the charecters in Monty Python’s Lifeboat sketch, or perhaps the Undertaker sketch. It’s going to really fun to sit back and watch.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I’d like to see copies of police reports or anything else that documents this. The proper venue for such a complaint – and any supporting evidence which will stand up to scrutiny – is the police, and the AG for each state, and the US Attorney for each state (which at this time were all Bush appointees, not Obama selections).
Does anyone here really believe that Bill and Hillary were not sufficiently savvy and connected to bring genuine violations to the attention of the proper authorities — and get results? Or that after this kind of thing, had it really happened, that Hillary would accept the job of Sec State for Obama, and Bill would extend himself to the extent he has for the administration? Really?
We’re supposed to believe this woman is credible because……. her grandfather was a governor? That’s her sole claim to legitimacy?
More than anything I find the confusion between attending a caucus as a selected delegate, voting in a primary election – which is not the same thing as a caucus – and voting in a general election.
I notice we slid past the supposed black panther clip, which showed multiple people lounging around the entrance to the poll in Philly, making cell phone calls, entering and exiting unobstructed without anyone asking them who they were going to vote for or challenging them in any way. The only person challenged were photographers for identification – and they could have refused if they so chose. I would call your attention to not one but two checks by police as to their conduct, without intervention.
July 12th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I’d be impressed if you even minimally addressed the court-established incidents of the GOP preventing people from voting (and yes, you bet there are plenty of them).
July 12th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Patiently waiting for you to cite one DG.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I’d be happy to oblige Scott. I have a few on hand for research of something else.
In the meantime you might want to check out the right’s efforts to use the Black Panthers as boogeymen (and not in the musical sense of boogey either); here’s an attempt to use them as an attack claiming that it was Hillary involved with them:http://penigma.blogspot.com/2010/07/panther-panther-burning-bright-in.html
July 12th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Here’s an example that went all the way to SCOTUS:
Ohio. On September 26, 2008, the Ohio Republican Party asked a federal court to issue an emergency ruling requiring the state to generate a list of more than 200,000 new voters whose information did not match other state records, presumably so those voters could be purged from the rolls right before the election, forced to vote provisional ballots, or challenged at the polls. They asked the court before the absentee ballots cast by new registrants were opened and counted. A federal court granted the temporary restraining order, and after a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit stayed that order, the full appeals court, sitting en banc, reinstated it. On emergency review, the U.S. Supreme Court vacated the TRO on October 17, 2008, preventing chaos in the election in Ohio and protecting hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens from disenfranchisement-by-typo.
Here was another instance, right next door in Wiscconsin. Btw – there are dozens of these that have gone to court where the GOP attempted to stop voters — usually black or latino more often than white.
Wisconsin. After the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (the state’s election board) rejected a proposal in July to retroactively implement a no “match, no vote” policy for all voters who registered since 2006, on September 10, the Attorney General sued the board seeking to force such a policy right before the election. The Board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22% match failure rate, including for 4 of the 6 members of the board. On October 23, 2008, the court dismissed the Attorney General’s lawsuit, after concluding he lacked standing to bring the case; HAVA did not require the Government Accountability Board to link voters’ eligibility to a successful match; and that doing so would violate the materiality provision of the Voting Rights Act.
How many would you like? then compare these to the unsupported documentary allegations that were made to a person who is makin money off of peddling this – but not apparently to any authorities who backed it up with an investigation.
You might want to bone up on the HAVA provisions while you are at it.
July 12th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
I’v been fascinated by the New Black Panther voter intimidation story from the right.
For instance, I wondered why it was that the Bush DoJ had an affidavit from someone like Bartle Bull…….. but didn’t USE it in their court case against these individuals.
So, I looked up the Bartle Bull document, which was on Michele Malkin’s web site btw (among other places) and read it after I read the complaint itself and other documents.
I don’t know the reason the DoJ didn’t use this, but I’m wondering if it had something to do with this section: “3. On the morning of November 4, 2008, I was deployed pursuant to these duties as a poll observer for a political party to polling places in the city of Philadelphia”.
He doesn’t identify the political party, but since at least one of the individuals was an elected democrat, I’m guessing it was no accident that Mr. Bartle Bull had been hired. I’m curious as to who paid him, and how he happened to be at this particular polling place. Particularly as other interviews had suggested he wasn’t there for very long.
Mr. Bull is retired and lives in New York, not PA. He was brought in for a reason by someone. I’m curious who brought him and who paid him and why.
So far as I can tell it is also pretty unusual for a DoJ to come right out and accuse one of their former own of being a liar – which they have about Mr. Adams. One of the items where I have already found Adams to be inaccurate at best and a liar at worst is that the decisions about this case were made by political appointees. In fact they were made by career DoJ lawyers – who had far longer careers than Adams. They were temporarily put in charge of certain areas while a political appointee was being approved; not quite the same thing.
I recently tracked down email addresses for Mr. Bull, the NBP defendants, and J.C. Adams. It will be entertaining to see who responds to my questions. (As ever, my dear Mitch, you are my inspiration for going to the source directly.)
July 12th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Some day, Dog Gone, you will wake up in the morning, prepare your first cup of coffee of the day, shuffle to the back door, and then you’ll just kind of stand there, unable to move, as the realization washes over you that you’ve wasted so much of your precious time on this earth doing “research” and “thinking” and “writing” that A) only three people on this planet remotely care about and B) has no measurable impact on anything, anywhere at any time.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
What is it with Penigmites? Impossibly long comments left one after another. Who wants to wade through that much… prose?
Brevity.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
DG,
Re your OH and WI examples: So you are echoing the party line that trying to maintain the integrity of elections against mounds of ballots whose authenticity is legitimately questionable is both “disenfranchising minorities” and the equivalent of an armed, uniformed man standing outside a polling station telling “whitey” not to vote?
Curious.
July 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
DG, I really thought you’d have cited the illegal votes by felons in MN that surely put diaper boy Franken in the Senate seat. I’m sure you’re all over that research (as undoubtably Marc Ritchie is………)
July 12th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
then of course there is this voter fraud…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/
Excuse me while I go puke. If Franken tries to run again he will not get 30% of the vote assuming he even gets endorsed or survives the primary.
July 12th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
DG, until the GOP sends hood-wearing, weapon-bearing KKK “poll watchers” out on election day, you are just blowing smoke.
July 14th, 2010 at 12:26 am
DG: Don’t you want Every Vote To Count(tm)?
July 14th, 2010 at 1:43 am
that surely put diaper boy Franken in the Senate seat
The only illegal vote where we know how the person voted went for Coleman. But it’s nice to know the thought of Senator Franken still gets you guys all in a tizzy.
July 14th, 2010 at 4:50 am
The only illegal vote where we know how the person voted went for Coleman.
That’s a very red herring you’ve got, mister.
Surveys show convicted felons vote overwhelmingly Democrat.
But it’s nice to know the thought of Senator Franken still gets you guys all in a tizzy.
The Minnesota Majority notes that this isn’t about Franken. It’s about our next election.
Give it up.