Yes, It’s Socialism.
By Mitch Berg
While arguing with liberals – friends and otherwise – about Obamacare, I’ve noticed that while most of them are very poorly-informed about much of what is actually in whatever bills are currently in contention, many of them are crystal-clear on at least one key chanting point:
“It’s not socialism!”
And they’re more or less correct, at the moment, if and only if you observe exactly one, excessively restrictive dictionary definition of “socialism”.
But, in practical, real-world terms, there really are two definitions.
I will try to explain these definitions with real-world examples. However, as the real-world examples use a few historical terms that tend, shall we say, to inflame conversation and serve as red blankets before bulls, I’ll change the names of those terms to keep things on an even keel and focus on the actual policy and mechanical differences between the two definitions.
Example 1:
Promising that they will make life easier and more tenable to the people, the Bommunist party abolishes private enterprise and makes all businesses state-owned.
These state-owned businesses, answerable only to centralized state planning agencies – operating in what economists call a “command economy” – are utterly divorced from the free market, and produce entirely based on political imperatives from above, rather than market demands from all around them. Also, absent any of the discipline of the free market, productivity plummets. Eventually, the system becomes unable to sustain any sort of economic activity.
Example 2:
Promising to make life easier and more tenable for the people, the National Bocialist Party (*) also realizes unfettered free enterprise is a threat to its control – but has learned something from ten years of watching the Bommunist Party flounder and fail.
So the National Bocialists decide to keep the “best” (for their purposes) of the free market – the expertise and disclipline of capitalist businesses and their owners – but put them under centralized control scarcely less complete than that of the Bommunists. The ideal, of course, was to keep the outward appearances of capitalism and avoid the worst failures of full government ownership – but to make it essentially impossible for industry to do anything other than what government mandated.
(Data on the National Bocialist system fades out after about 12 years, but preliminary results weren’t all that encouraging for anything other than artificial bubbles in things government needed in huge numbers quickly, like – again, hypothetically – Banzers, Bukas and Boo Boats).
Again – the Bommunists and the National Bocialists are completely hypothetical, and any similarities to political parties that existed in the real world is purely concidental.
Except for their economics.
So is Obamacare socialist?
As it is being considered today? How is Obamacare, with its thin, unconvincing veener of “marketiness”, different from the (utterly hypothetical) Example 2, above?
Why, no – it’s not a completely original idea…





March 21st, 2010 at 10:23 am
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March 21st, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Is it socialism?
From WaPo:
Among the questions officials expect people to have about the new law are: How can then enter the health insurance exchange? What will their subsidy be? How can they get it? How can they fill out their tax forms correctly?
Yes, it is socialism.
A few generations ago we were a people who built the greatest nation on earth out of a howling wilderness. Now the government treats us like step-children. No affection, just an obligation that they are not required to act on and that they may redefine whenever it becomes inconvenient.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
“Yes, it is socialism.”
Somewhat, but there are bits and pieces that differ.
Is it capitalism when Obama takes over GM?
Is it capitalism when Obama takes over 17% of the economy?
No and hell no!
Liberal Fascism, indeed.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
MB, and all, relax. Poor sportsmanship will only help the Republicans fail more. You ain’t got the numbers and probably never will again, unless you cut your losses and start behaving like adults. The average American knows what Bush did to the economy and how we were railroaded into a couple of now 7 year wars. Oh my, Obama is black, really not that big a deal, except to bigots and that number is in the minority and on your side. But he smokes!, that actually makes him more accessible to the populace. Hardy har har har, Bommunism and Bocialism, really very lame and childish. History has the Democrats looking like heros and your party is going to go lockstep like lemmings over a cliff, on the constitutionality of the health care legislation? Art of War, dude, learn it. Sure the Democrats look spineless and weak to the overheated lambastations of the right, but it is about winning the war not the battle. If you really need to feel better and do not know how in a mature way, go over to Free Republic where they are talking armed insurrection. I say “Bring It”, ding dongs.
March 23rd, 2010 at 7:33 am
Nah, DK, poor sportsmanship is saying “I’m moving to Canada” or “he’s not MY president”. Y’know, lefty stuff.
The average American doesn’t know that Bush’s biggest economic problem was that he was a Democrat. He spent like Ted Kennedy. He was no conservative. THAT was the problem.
The ONLY significant people bringing up race are…you guys!
As to the Art of War – heh. Read it several times. The GOP is one good-sized transformation away from being in great shape via Clausewitz.
And as to “Bommunism” and “Bocialism?” Really? I should make people pass a Monty Python competency test to comment on my blog.
Anyway, DK, welcome to the blog. It’s a much higher level of conversation than you may be used to at the various liberal septic tanks you may be used to. You need to bring a MUCH better game than you seem to have so far. Hint: name-calling and condescenscion isn’t an argument.
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 am
dekay, I abhor YOUR ugly racism.