I loved school house rock; I wish they would bring it back and possibly update it.
I have problems with how deem and pass is being used by the Dems for this legislation; but I also had problems with it being used by the GOP some 100 to 200 times (depending on what period of time you examine). The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
I would feel greater sympathy with the GOP position if that number didn’t make them hypocrites for criticizing it now. So far as I can tell from only a very bried perusal (and I look forward to anyone providing more detailed info and analysis) the Democrats have NOT during their period of having a majority used it anything like that number; 2005-2006 the GOP used it 35 times to suit their purposes.
So either something is right or it isn’t. It is equally wrong to try to have it both ways (and YES, the democrats have their share of doing that too).
So, if you are willing to deny deem and pass to the Republicans / conservatives, and undo all of those other instances of deem and pass – great. If not – and I’m assuming ‘NOT’ is your preference?………….then I’m still not happy with it, but at least if it is going to be discontinued, I want to see it NOT used by ANYONE for ANYTHING.
So if everyone on both sides wants to revisit this and not use it anymore AFTER this use, great, and lets have a revisiting of the fillibuster while we are at it.
But if you are only interested in unfairly getting your way, then think about fairness please, and not “do as we say not as we do”. I’m sick of that from BOTH sides.
The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
Um, do you remember the “Nuclear Option”? Do you remember the “Gang of Seven”? The Republican Senate majority deliberately DID NOT overturn the filibuster when Harry and the Dems were blocking numerous Bush court nominees.
Ya think you may be a tad disingenuous here, Doggie?
I also had problems with it being used by the GOP some 100 to 200 times (depending on what period of time you examine). The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
Right. We talked about this on the show today. And a quick google shows that the sorosphere is duly chanting that same point in rough unison.
But if you can show me a single instance of the GOP using Demon Pass for anything other than an amendment to a larger bill (which itself got a genuine vote) or changes to the debt ceilng (bad, but certainly nothing the Dems’d better try to lecture us on), rather than the marquee bill to nationalize 17% of the US economy, by all means let me know.
I’ll give you a hint; you can’t. But go for it anyway.
Ya think you may be a tad disingenuous here, Doggie?
I don’t think DG is being disingenuous. From what she’s writing, I suspect it’s more like she’s reading the same chanting points every other leftyblogger is reading, and hasn’t yet managed to separate the hype from whatever facts might be wedged in there.
Sorry, DG, but the tells are all there; the key bits of omitted context that accompany all Tic chanting points (Bachmann’s law school, the context of the GOP’s demon pass attempts), the relentless reaches for false equivalences…
…sad but true, DG. If you watch this stuff long enough, the signs are all there.
Not disingenuous at all Mitch – did you miss where I wrote “I have problems with how the Dems are using it for this legislation”? I am completely aware of the distinction you made, and it is reflected in my objection. (Shame on you Mitch for assuming I wouldn’t know the distinction. Here’s a hint; I make an effort to read primary sources and news sites for hard news not opinion pieces, and NO, I don’t actually read a lot of ‘lefty blogs’, or other ‘righty’ blogs than yours either; I don’t make a habit of reading all that many other blogs period.)
Kermit points out the Republicans did not overturn the fillibuster – the so-called nuclear option – but they threatened to do so, and the Democrats backed down. The Democrats have made some noises about the fillibuster, but haven’t done anything either….just like the Republicans.
I’m sure your “problem” is that the Tics didn’t go far enough, merely nationalizing 17% of the economy isn’t enough nor fast enough.
I loved school house rock; I wish they would bring it back and possibly update it.
I have problems with how deem and pass is being used by the Dems for this legislation; but I also had problems with it being used by the GOP some 100 to 200 times (depending on what period of time you examine). The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
I would feel greater sympathy with the GOP position if that number didn’t make them hypocrites for criticizing it now. So far as I can tell from only a very bried perusal (and I look forward to anyone providing more detailed info and analysis) the Democrats have NOT during their period of having a majority used it anything like that number; 2005-2006 the GOP used it 35 times to suit their purposes.
So either something is right or it isn’t. It is equally wrong to try to have it both ways (and YES, the democrats have their share of doing that too).
So, if you are willing to deny deem and pass to the Republicans / conservatives, and undo all of those other instances of deem and pass – great. If not – and I’m assuming ‘NOT’ is your preference?………….then I’m still not happy with it, but at least if it is going to be discontinued, I want to see it NOT used by ANYONE for ANYTHING.
So if everyone on both sides wants to revisit this and not use it anymore AFTER this use, great, and lets have a revisiting of the fillibuster while we are at it.
But if you are only interested in unfairly getting your way, then think about fairness please, and not “do as we say not as we do”. I’m sick of that from BOTH sides.
The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
Um, do you remember the “Nuclear Option”? Do you remember the “Gang of Seven”? The Republican Senate majority deliberately DID NOT overturn the filibuster when Harry and the Dems were blocking numerous Bush court nominees.
Ya think you may be a tad disingenuous here, Doggie?
I also had problems with it being used by the GOP some 100 to 200 times (depending on what period of time you examine). The Republicans were not responsive to the Democrats in the slightest.
Right. We talked about this on the show today. And a quick google shows that the sorosphere is duly chanting that same point in rough unison.
But if you can show me a single instance of the GOP using Demon Pass for anything other than an amendment to a larger bill (which itself got a genuine vote) or changes to the debt ceilng (bad, but certainly nothing the Dems’d better try to lecture us on), rather than the marquee bill to nationalize 17% of the US economy, by all means let me know.
I’ll give you a hint; you can’t. But go for it anyway.
Ya think you may be a tad disingenuous here, Doggie?
I don’t think DG is being disingenuous. From what she’s writing, I suspect it’s more like she’s reading the same chanting points every other leftyblogger is reading, and hasn’t yet managed to separate the hype from whatever facts might be wedged in there.
Sorry, DG, but the tells are all there; the key bits of omitted context that accompany all Tic chanting points (Bachmann’s law school, the context of the GOP’s demon pass attempts), the relentless reaches for false equivalences…
…sad but true, DG. If you watch this stuff long enough, the signs are all there.
Not disingenuous at all Mitch – did you miss where I wrote “I have problems with how the Dems are using it for this legislation”? I am completely aware of the distinction you made, and it is reflected in my objection. (Shame on you Mitch for assuming I wouldn’t know the distinction. Here’s a hint; I make an effort to read primary sources and news sites for hard news not opinion pieces, and NO, I don’t actually read a lot of ‘lefty blogs’, or other ‘righty’ blogs than yours either; I don’t make a habit of reading all that many other blogs period.)
Kermit points out the Republicans did not overturn the fillibuster – the so-called nuclear option – but they threatened to do so, and the Democrats backed down. The Democrats have made some noises about the fillibuster, but haven’t done anything either….just like the Republicans.
I’m sure your “problem” is that the Tics didn’t go far enough, merely nationalizing 17% of the economy isn’t enough nor fast enough.
Liberal Fascism indeed.
DG, you wear it well.