Last year Vladimir Putin authored this paper arguing that “that Russians and Ukrainians were one people.” The paper looks back at the historical commonalities between Russia and present-day Ukraine, starting with the Kievan Rus, a federation formed in the 9th century of Slavic people but ruled by the Varangian, people of Norse (Viking) descent.
Putin emphasizes that the people of the Kievan Rus shared a common language and, with the baptism of Vladimir in the 10th century, which Putin mentions, a common religion in the Orthodox Church. With this conversion, the Kievan Rus developed strong ties with the Byzantine Empire. Many Varangians served Byzantine emperors. (One of them, Harald Sigurdsson, was defeated by Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Stamford Bridge in September 1066, just a few weeks before Harold was defeated by the Normans at Hastings.)
The unity of Kievan Rus began to unravel in the 11th century, related in part to the decline of the Byzantine Empire, which in turn was related to the rise of the Turks. Putin specifically points to the Mongols, though, which devastated the region in the 13th century. Putin does not mention the 4th Crusade in 1204 which greatly weakened the Byzantine Empire even further.
From there, Putin traces the rise of the Catholic Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the pressure that put on what is now Ukraine, sandwiched between the Catholics and the descendants of the Rus now centered farther to the east.
The 17th century saw the rise of the Cossacks who carved out a state by rebelling against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the century saw considerable conflict between Poland, the Cossacks, the Russians and the Ottomans. Putin describes this conflict as a desire to maintain the Orthodox Church in the face of Polish opposition. Putin even uses the phrase “war of liberation.”
Ukrainians refer to this time as “The Ruin,” which is an indication of what they think of instability the conflict brought to the region. The conflict came to an end with the Truce of Andrusovo of 1667 and later the Treaty of Perpetual Peace in 1686. The result was Kiev and the “left bank” (which was actually the lands east of the Dnieper) were transferred to Moscow. On the “right bank”, ie west of the Dnieper, still held by Poland, Putin says “social and religious oppression intensified.”
Over the next two centuries, Putin says Polish influences fomented the stirrings of Ukrainian nationalism, and this in turn was used by the Austrian-Hungarian Empire in the World War I era. The chaos brought about by the Russian Civil War (see First Ringer’s recent post too) led to a declaration of independence in Ukraine. Putin says this “decision proved fatal for the ruling regime in Kiev.” Putin is not sympathetic.
Therefore, modern Ukraine is entirely the product of the Soviet era. We know and remember well that it was shaped – for a significant part – on the lands of historical Russia. To make sure of that, it is enough to look at the boundaries of the lands reunited with the Russian state in the 17th century and the territory of the Ukrainian SSR when it left the Soviet Union.
The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as inexhaustible material for their social experiments. They dreamt of a world revolution that would wipe out national states. That is why they were so generous in drawing borders and bestowing territorial gifts. It is no longer important what exactly the idea of the Bolshevik leaders who were chopping the country into pieces was. We can disagree about minor details, background and logics behind certain decisions. One fact is crystal clear: Russia was robbed, indeed.
Putin’s argument throughout his paper is to emphasize the close ties in language, culture and religion between the people of Russia and Ukraine. He indicates that where there was separation between the two, the people who valued these close ties were not given a choice in the matter.
He goes on for a few paragraphs decrying this lack of choice, and he ends with this.
I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.
Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.
I don’t doubt that Putin does not think of Ukraine as a separate nation, with its own history and heritage apart from Russia’s own. But, Putin’s paper is conspicuous in its lack of acknowledgement that the Ukrainian independence movement in 1990 was a choice, as was the Orange Revolution of 2004. He instead continues to focus on how “the most despicable thing is that the Russians in Ukraine are being forced not only to deny their roots, generations of their ancestors but also to believe that Russia is their enemy.” He also reiterates that “Our spiritual unity has also been attacked,” as the Ukrainian Orthodox Church maintains a separation from the Russian Orthodox Church.
And yet, even if Putin truly believes that by invading Ukraine he is merely standing up for these Russians who want to maintain their historical ties to Russia, Putin is ignoring the fact that many people in Ukraine have looked to the wealth to the west, the oppression and poverty to the east, and have made their choice. Bombing them is only hardening them against Russia.
There are a lot of reasons Putin put the boots to Zelinsky, the ongoing bombardment of the ethnic Russian majority in the Donbass being a big one, but his flirtation with NATO was the last straw.
Even Zalinsky see this is true:
https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-must-admit-153735208.html
For reference, ethnic Russians are a minority in Donbas, with about 38-39% of residents there being ethnically Russian. So like pretty much everything else Swiftee has said about the conflict, it’s false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas#Demographics_and_politics
Regarding the notion that Russia is “defending” Donbas, they’re shelling residential areas, schools, and hospitals throughout Ukraine. Horsefeathers from Swiftee again, of course.
Reality here is that Putin’s war is more or less a hissy fit on his part because Ukrainian irregular units have been handing Russian “little Green men” their butts for the past eight years, and because Putin knows that when Ukraine retakes all of Donbas, they then have the industrial base and energy to survive well on their own. Putin delenda est
It’s also rather funny to see someone who was part of the Soviet state, in its most dismal offices of the KGB, arguing with a straight face that he’s all about the Russian Orthodox Church, which was brutally oppressed by the Bolsheviks, right along with any other religious organization. Putin is showing us more and more how he is personally working to end the world fertilizer shortage by producing gigatons of organic fertilizer with his own mouth.
Putin delenda est
No Afghan bugout, no invasion of Ukraine.
Occasionally I hear American conservatives praise Biden for his response to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
They have forgotten that no Afghan bugout, no invasion of Ukraine.
I have no opinion on whether we should have stayed in Afghanistan or not. But the massive failure of judgment, competence, and responsibility green lit the dreams of many a dictator kept in check by fear of a US military response.
Regarding the notion that Russia is “defending” Donbas, they’re shelling residential areas, schools, and hospitals throughout Ukraine. Horsefeathers from Swiftee again, of course.
Hey, chief propagandist, who the fuck do you think Ukranians were bombing in Donbass? Huh? Military installations? No. Regular Russian army positions? No. Why don’t you check YOUR facts, you sorry propagandist fact checker™!
MP, don’t forget greatest Diplomat™ in charge of the adults in the white house™ greenlighting minor incursion! Wag the dog indeed.
MP, don’t forget greatest Diplomat™ in charge of the adults in the white house™ greenlighting minor incursion! Wag the d0g indeed.
JPA, show me the pictures. That’s what they’re doing on the other side. I’ve gotten to the point where I can recognize some of the features of the architecture of Kyiv, Mariupol, and the like.
Reality is that the same journalists have, ahem, been in places like Mariupol before and after the Russian invasion, cities where there was a lot of fighting all the way back to 2014, and guess what? They’re telling us that the place has been trashed since February 24. In the same way, I can look up cities where the “little green men” (Russian soldiers illegally invading out of uniform, ahem) have been since 2014, and I don’t see the damage you claim exists.
You know, “Google Maps” and all? Sorry, I’m not the one falling for propaganda here.
jpa, it’s pointless. Bike’s mind is made up and he rejects any contrary information.
“Pope Francis suggests the ‘barking of NATO at Russia’s door’ may have forced Putin to invade Ukraine”
Delenda Est: “ZOMG! The Pope is Putin’s puppet!!!”
I think it’s funny: Bubba and Pedo Joe are teamed up with NPR to keep the narrative sanitized.
lol
“Mind is made up and rejects contrary information” Look in the mirror, JDM. Look in the mirror. Regarding the claim that the Ukrainians have been assaulting residential areas in the same way the Russians have:
1. Do the Ukrainians have the artillery and ammunition to do this? No.
2. Do the Ukrainians have the motivation to shell their own people? No.
3. When one looks at Google satellite view, does it show the marks of artillery and bomb assaults on cities in Donbas held by the little green men? No.
4. If the Ukrainians had been doing this, wouldn’t there be a lot of pictures from the press? Yes.
5. Was Russia claiming this kind of thing prior to this year? No.
Conclusion; the allegation that Ukraine is pulling the same kind of war crimes as is Russia is unfounded. Come on, guys, just because Russia’s running a propaganda mill doesn’t mean that everybody is.
Man, that’s some strong koolaid, I pity you…
1: FUCK YES!
2: Really? REALLY? THEY BURNED PEOPLE ALIVE IN ODESSA!
3: you gotta try harder, much harder
4: are you FUCKING kidding me? In an asymmetric propaganda war, then and now?
5: when a tree falls in the forest and there is no-one to hear it, does it make a sound? so the answer is FUCK YEA! FOR EIGHT FUCKING YEARS!
Oh, and I am sure you are still grappling with the fact Azov detachment flying Nazi flags and sporting WWII Nazi collaborator insignia has nothing to do with them being Nazi sympathizers. Right? What a wonderful world you live in where you are the ultimate arbiter of truth, where only “facts” that you deem factual are facts. Again, I pity you that you have to live with yourself, so full of hate, piss and vinegar.
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The fact Putin can state that Russian troops are fighting on their own land I guess means that he thinks they are fighting their own people.
The Russians seem to specialize in absurd justifications but they really have surpassed themselves this time.
Not really, JPA. My take is that with Azov, they’re using symbols that represent to them the last force to take it to the Russians well, and given the prevalence of the Wolfsangel throughout Europe even today, I’m not convinced of your claim that it “only” means antisemitism in Ukraine. When I took a look at the claims against the Azov batallion, it was long on rhetoric and short on evidence–no beer hall putsches, no synagogue destructions, not even credible evidence of waving ham sandwiches at little Jewish kids on the street. Whatever portion of Azov is antisemitic seems to be keeping it very quiet. Lamest Nazis ever, to put it mildly.
Really, my best guess is that a lot of the rhetoric comes directly from Moscow, because they’re ticked that a few hundred soccer hooligans are tying up a couple of their best divisions in Mariupol–all while the soldiers of NATO are laughing.
Regarding your claims about Ukraine’s military, evidence, please. My take is that if Ukraine had been shelling residential areas in Donbas for the past eight years, the satellite view would pick that up the same way it does Russian war crimes in places like Kyiv, Mariupol, Grozny, and Aleppo. It doesn’t. In the same way, Ukraine relied on Javelins and such precisely because they didn’t have lots of artillery and tanks (contra Putina’s absurd claims to the contrary), so such attacks are not even plausible.
It is truly bizaare these days, by the way, to see theoretical conservatives taking the word of a Russian despot at face value. Time was when all but the far left knew that was idiotic.
Delenda Est!: “The left has taken over the media. Everything they say about Trump is a lie. They stole the election! IT’S ALL FAKE NEWS!!”
Also Delenda Est!: “If the Ukrainians had been doing this, wouldn’t there be a lot of pictures from the press?”
🎵 Brainwashed tranny pedo’s to the left of me;
Neo-con cultists on the right! 🎶
lol
“they’re ticked that a few hundred soccer hooligans are tying up a couple of their best divisions in Mariupol”
Russia’s Ministry of Defense has confirmed that Russian military conscripts have been involved in the invasion of Ukraine and that some were taken prisoner by Ukrainian forces
“They dragged me right out of the Disco!”
You can stop anytime, Delenda.
“My take is that with Azov, they’re using symbols that represent to them the last force to take it to the Russians well”
The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) called, Delenda. They’d like a word with you about your embarrassing ignorance of history, and enthusiastic embrace of degenerate propaganda.
“It is truly predictable these days, by the way, to see “conservatives” taking the word of a bought off, pants shitting, Ukranian [sic] yes-man and his leftist media puppets at face value.”
FTFY, Delenda.
““strike back pre-emptively” ~ Putin
That’s comedy gold.
Swiftee — what’s the Russian word for oxymoron?
It is truly bizaare these days, by the way, to see theoretical conservatives taking the word of a Russian despot at face value
It’s also bizarre to see to see “theoretical conservatives” taking the word of the very same people who supported and advocated for the Saint Floyd riots, the murderous and destructive lockdowns for a flu bug, the stealing of an election, the division of society into two classes of citizens, the dictatorship of the vaxxed, the aggressive devaluation of currencies causing insane levels of inflation, and probably more I can’t think of over the past three years to suddenly declare “Look! Squirrel!” when a tragic and unfortunate regional conflict breaks out (without any explanation as to why). And now this New Thing, a bloody shirt to be waved until the US is dragged into a world war – possibly nuclear – is the most important fucking thing to be concerned about so these “theoretical conservatives” can let those people off the hook. Again.
rAT, Blade says “stick with what you know”.
The English word for you is idiot.
I think jdm gets it.
What part of their countries would Western leaders be willing to concede in order to broker a peace deal with Russia?
Russia has to be defeated. Period. At any cost.
Regarding your claims about Ukraine’s military, evidence, please.
Would you like me to give you a name of a friend who fled Donbass a couple years ago due to shelling and destruction of her home and livelihood? No, you will not get it because she suffered enough.
It’s true that the Azov battalion is hard right and often seen as neo nazi. Germany’s AfD far right has 10% of the vote and France’s National Party has around 15%, Ukraine’s far right gained less than 2.5% in 2019 elections.
Nationalism has sadly risen worldwide, including China where it is fanned by state propaganda .
“In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election the coalition of Svoboda and the other extreme-right political parties in won only 2.15% of the vote combined and failed to pass the 5% threshold.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernozem
However, there are plenty of hard right thugs associated with Putin, for example the Night Wolves motorcycle gang, the Slovak Conscripts, the All-Russian Union of Supporters football hooligans, the Systema fight clubs, Moscow’s Spartak football club “ultras” all with fascist and neo-Nazi ideologies while the GRU has been financing neo-Nazis in Hungary, Denmark, etc.
LMAO! rAT has joined Delenda Est! in the Wikipedia Knowledge Bowl!
It’s a cavalcade of dimwits! Hahahahaaha!
Do more, rAT! Hahahahaa!
Putin is not “convinced” that he is fighting “Nazis”. He is not stupid, only cynical. This whole Nazi thing is a narrative for domestic consumption, for those watching state TV. The higher the Russian casualties, the more sinister the “Nazis” must be in Ukraine, and the harder Russia must fight them (i.e. kill civilians, deport them to Siberia). According to foreign minister Lavrov the “most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews” . Zelensky being Jewish is a case in point. The talented courtier went a bit too far (he wants to retire…), Putin had to apologize to Israel.
Russia’s behavior in Ukraine is indeed reminiscent of the Nazi occupation. Apparently Russia has already killed more people in Mariupol than the Nazis did during their two year occupation. Quite an achievement.
“Nationalism” is being fueled by the mass invasion of uneducated, unskilled, low IQ, violent thugs from 3rd world shitholes being forced upon an unwilling population by leftist degenerates bent on de-stabilizing their countries.
The outcome is foreseen.
“Russia has already killed more people in Mariupol than the Nazis did during their two year occupation”
~ Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-killed-twice-many-mariupol-nazi-germany-did-mayor-1702472
!!11!!! Hahahahahaha!!! Keep going rAT! You’re on fire! Hahahaha!
Russia is destroying large cities, raping, pillaging, killing tens of thousands of civilians intentionally, breaking about every war crime there is. And you obsess over the Azov battalion.
The Azov battalion is the only Ukrainian organization some of whose members have confirmed past links to neo-nazism. It’s the only semi-tangible “fact” that Swiftee and his Russian propaganda’s got to link anything in contemporary Ukraine with Nazism. Hence, as weak as that link is, they’ll beat that drum until there’s nothing left of it.
Would you like me to give you a name of a friend who fled Donbass a couple years ago due to shelling and destruction of her home and livelihood? No, you will not get it because she suffered enough.
No need, and I never had any doubt that there is some destruction of civilian targets due to the (Russian-instigated IMO) war in Donbas. However, that hardly rises to the kind of things that Putina has done in Mariupol and the like. There’s a difference between incidental and intentional mass destruction of civilian targets.
Russia is doing intentional mass destruction of civilian targets. Ukraine does not have that capability. It’s as simple as that.
Okay lets get some facts straight — at its largest the Azov battalion is estimated to have stood at around 2500 of which around 10% were identified as being Neo-Nazi’s. And Swift honestly trying to justify Putin’s actions in Ukraine where his forces have raped bombed and massacred both civilian and combatants alike (funnily enough like Nazi’s) off the back off these 250 men?
Also, Russia has a large Neo-Nazi population itself — Putin’s favorite PMC group Wagner which has operated in Ukraine is run by a known Neo-Nazi who named the group after Hitler’s favourite composer. So when Putin and Russia say “Oh well Ukraine is full of Neo-Nazi’s” that is another of Swift’s risible arguments frankly.
(Pssst, rAT…. You’re posting links to NAzi’S; yeah we noticed.)
No one cares about the (ZOMG!!) NAzi’S, nitwit. Like the Pope says; it’s NATO.
You’re an idiot. Trundle off and find something else to obsess over and plagiarize.
Godwin’s law: — the first person to mention the Nazis has already lost the Special Military Operation.
However, that hardly rises to the kind of things that Putina has done in Mariupol and the like.
How the fuck do you know what Putin has done in Mariupol? Been there? No? So you’re taking the word of the BBC, CBS, NPR and God love you, Wikipedia? Really?
I’ve seen video, captured from a dead Ukrainian soldier, showing him and his buddies placing AP mines in Mariupol. They showed pictures of the unique tattoo on the guys arm and compared it with the tat on the obviously dead body they got the phone from. You seen that?
I’ve listened to first person reports from Ukrainian civilians who said the Azov boys booted everyone out of that hospital all the Western fake news outlets have been squirting tears over. The boys were firing rockets out of it. You seen that?
I blush with shame at ever having called myself a “conservative”.
so bike, you are SO sure anything Ukranians did in Donbass was incidental. Did you google that? Did you find videos of attacks on Youtube? Because if it is not on Youtube… no, better yet Google Earth, it did not happen. “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” Did you apply for a position at the Department of Truth yet? You are highly qualified.
In the Second World War on the Eastern Front, the Germans were ruthlessly efficient while the eventual Russian victory was brutally inefficient, chewing up Russian soldiers’ lives with surprising indifference. Similar scenarios played out in both Korea and Vietnam where the Chinese leadership threw almost one million lives into the meat grinder of the Korean War while the North Vietnamese regime did something similar in South Vietnam. To see this brutal use of young lives close up is somewhat unnerving because one wonders where is the end and what will it look like. (I had read Xenophon and the March of the Ten Thousand and thought something like that was the American way out, which it ultimately was. It was a classic Admiral Mahan situation and an entire generation of American “leadership” was completely wooden-headed.)
Stalin created a graveyard and called it a victory and peace. Putin has had similar plans for Ukraine. How can one compromise with this?
Today, Putin is about where Nixon and Kissinger were in the summer of 1970 after the Cambodia invasion had utterly failed. I had friends in a 101st Airborne Division battalion assigned to the 4th Infantry Division for the Cambodian operation and they came back with bone-chilling stories of American command malpractice and incompetence that bother me to this day — to do that to young Americans. But once you’ve heard these stories close-up, you will know why those valiant Ukrainian fighters are going to go down fighting in those steel works. We should all remember them, their valor and more fundamentally the awful evil on the other side that has led to this horror. It should never, ever be excused.
The end of the war may be far off, but some serious thought should go into the creative marginalization of Russia as an influence and both world and European affairs. Putin and his Russians are as Europeans as Attila and his Huns were French in the 5th century. They’re just primitives from out there in the steppes.
I had friends in a 101st Airborne Division battalion assigned to the 4th Infantry Division for the Cambodian operation and they came back with bone-chilling stories of American command malpractice and incompetence that bother me to this day
So, you’re 70+ years old? LMAO! Why weren’t you with them, rAT? You pathetic lump of shit.
Despite Swift’s accusations about Nazis, this war is more about the future than the past.
Ever since independence 30 some years ago, Ukraine has kept on evolving in fits and starts away from Soviet era central authoritarian governance and its systemic corruption towards European standards of rule of law under democratic institutions. At first, Russia flirted with taking a similar course. But some 20 years ago, Putin decisively turned Russia backwards towards central authoritarian rule and the corruption and oppression that go with it. It is then no surprise that Putin, who deems the collapse of the Soviet Union to be the greatest disaster of the 20th century, keeps searching in the past to find some nemesis like Nazis to blame for this collapse.
This inherent conflict between Ukraine’s evolution away from Soviet era authoritarian rule and Russia’s regression back toward it ultimately led to Putin’s first attack against Ukraine in 2014 (and subsequent annexation of Crimea) after Ukraine’s revolution and overthrow of Yanukovich for refusing to proceed with EU accession. Then, after 8 more years of inconclusive war to annex Donbas, Putin decided to attack Ukraine all out, turn the clock back all the way, and subjugate Ukraine by force under a kind of revanchist Russian imperial domination. Meanwhile, Ukraine rearmed and fought to keep Putin’s aggressive regime at bay and kept on evolving and moving towards EU accession.
There is no visible compromise settlement in this war between one nation’s future and another nation’s past, only a fight until one or both side’s eventual exhaustion over territory and the final boundary between two incompatible nations and systems of governance.
Say, rAT? Forget about what your imaginary little pal says about the NAtzi’S, you’re obsessed with NAtsies…tell us more about the exploits of your imaginary pals in the 101st Airborne during the CamBoDIAN CAmPAign.
Lot’s of hand to hand, rAT? Ear necklaces?
tia rAT!
Say rAT?
Any of your imaginary 101st Airborne pals ever mention running into a Lt. John Kerry, USN in Cambodia? Heard he had some daring exploits there, too.
Putin (similar to Swift) for all his intentions to achieve further goals, he looks and sounds a bit tired these days. The longer the war drags on the weaker his position. A quick victory is not coming.
I have that feeling that it will have been Putin’s last Victory Day parade.
JPA; no, even incidental things are a tragedy. I just think there is a difference between incidental acts and large scale intentional acts, and the latter tend to be hard to hide, especially in a time when satellites give decent pictures of the whole earth, and those pictures are refreshed often.
If you’ve got evidence of large scale intentional acts by the Ukrainians, you are welcome to share that here, no? For my part, I’ve simply been watching the coverage on a number of venues (Fox, CNN, NY Times, National Review, etc..) and have been concentrating on the pictures I see, which show soldiers and civilians on both sides. There’s a pattern; places inhabited by Ukrainians have gotten the s**t shelled and bombed out of them, those inhabited by Russians, not so much.
Really–and this has to do with jdm’s comment–it almost seems like some here are under the impression that the media are somehow capable of completely perverting the truth, even when they show pictures and people are free to look at alternative sources.
Reality is that even where the media are tightly controlled, there is a part of the narrative they cannot control. For example, Viktor Belenko was a MIG-25 pilot in the 1970s whose sole understanding of the West was propaganda films that decried the “poverty” of U.S. workers because they were eating a hot dog or two for lunch.
Belenko looked closely at the film and asked himself “who owns all those cars parked along the street? I don’t see that in Russia!”, and then decided to see for himself. All the censors in the world couldn’t hide that reality from him, just as for other Soviet subjects, all the censors in the world couldn’t hide the reality that their neighbors tended to disappear if they ran afoul of Party officials.
In the same way, yes, the media do relentlessly take one side, but it doesn’t prevent thinking people from looking at the pictures and saying “gosh, I’m glad the BLM guys aren’t on my side, burning down my workplace, auto parts store, home, and the like.”
One more thought here is that I’m kinda surprised that Swiftee–he who relentlessly blames crime and such on blacks and other minorities and who routinely gets in trouble with JPA and others for his statements about Jews–isn’t a fan of the Azov batallion. Just sayin’.
Poor rAT…all the squeak gone out of the little vermin.
Hey Blaze are you a regular maga or an ultra-maga?
‘Cuz Slow Joe has invented these people he calls “ultra-maga” to blame the ills of the country on.
I suspect that, given Slow Joe’s approval rating, these extremist, out of the mainstream “Ultra-Maga”‘s now consist of the majority of the American people.
MP, I’m a LAGA.
Let America Go Activist
It’s too late. Anyone that doesn’t see that is either deluded or hoping they don’t need to pay back their college loans.