34 thoughts on “The Shorter Rittenhouse Prosecution Summation

  1. ^ So, funny? Witty? Profound? Help me here. Was there ever posited an explanation as to why Emery posts so many links to a parody website?

  2. I’ve been thinking about something ADS Binger said in his summation: people are more valuable than property. On a metaphysical level that may be true. On the other hand, protecting property against repeated and determined efforts to steal or destroy it shouldn’t offer immunity from determined and vigorous defense, up to and including deadly force. You wish to take what my labor has earned, be prepared to pay the ultimate price.

  3. Emery, the toughest kid on his block, behind his mommy’s apron strings. I would actually pay to see him being chased by 3 thugs, one of which was armed, one that was threatening to kill him and one that whacked him with a skateboard. Of course, he would not defend himself. He’d just take curl up into a ball and cry for his mommy.

  4. Did jdm and BH429 travel to Kenosha armed to “defend” the city Or did you sit on your ass. The Right-wing and vigilantes voicing their solidarity for Rittenhouse are simply adopting a pose. They know he was being foolish. They would never hand a rifle to their own children and tell them to walk into a riot. I suspect you would never do it yourselves.

  5. I’ve been thinking about something ADS Binger said in his summation: people are more valuable than property

    Good points.

    Wonder how Binger would feel about “the body of a man [found] in a building burned down during the protests over the death of George Floyd in May [2020]”? I guess this would be like a wash.

  6. So, your answer to my question of why you frequently post links to a website that is a parody of leftists, is to ask me why I didn’t go to Kenosha to “defend” the city? Makes sense.

    No, I didn’t. Did you go there to “attack” the city? Otherwise, it would seem that you’re just a leftwing poseur who only talks about the racist police-state that killed, nay! murdered George Floyd.

  7. Ah, the nonsensical response gambit. Does this work on the left-wing sites where you otherwise hang around?

  8. When you steal or destroy for your own entertainment or purpose, that for which I have labored, you are in fact, choosing to enslave me for the moment. Yes, you have stolen my labor, without recompense, the very essence of slavery.

    So in one respect defense of my property is really the defense of hours of my time. To some degree, a pity that the law doesn’t recognize that.

  9. MBerg: Would it be fair to say Mr Rittenhouse performed a straw purchase with the help of a friend?

  10. Emery,

    Is it your contention that the purchase violated applicable law?

    Your answer gets my answer.

  11. In the 80s I was having a discussion with the friend of a roommate about use of force in defending one’s property. He asked, “Is your stereo really worth someone’s life?”

    I replied, “That’s a question the other guy needs to ask himself when he’s still outside my house.”

  12. The DA further exhibited his blatant stupidity by pointing his “exhibit” AR-15 at the jury, with his FINGER ON THE FREAKING TRIGGER!

    And Emery, pound sand, loser. I know that your bb brain can’t change your narrative, but Rittenhouse tried to retreat. Rosenbaum was a convicted pedophile, with mental issues, threatening to kill him, while chasing him the grabbed the rifle to try to take it, most likely to turn it on Rittenhouse and make good on his threat. I’m surprised that the defense didn’t pose the possibility that the perv was trying to commit suicide by cop, using Rittenhouse. But hey, Emery. Keep beating that dead horse, even when you can’t “square your own circle”.

  13. I’ll wait 24 hours for Emery’s response. Then I’ll shoot this one down as well.

    Pun highly intended.

  14. >Kenosha Kyle acquitted
    >walks out of court room; judge yells
    >”Hey kid! You forgot this!”
    >Kyle turns
    >Judge tosses him his AR, smiles

  15. The people who want to see Rittenhouse convicted of murder are doing the usual dance — distract, deny, deceive.
    Anything but admit the obvious — that Rittenhouse killed two people and wounded a third in self defense.
    The media deceived the progressives who are its primary audience about the Rittenhouse case early on. The reaction to the actual evidence reminds me of the quote from Nikolas Taleb I used in an earlier comment: “When you develop your opinions on the basis of weak evidence, you will have difficulty interpreting subsequent information that contradicts these opinions, even if this new information is obviously more accurate.”

    This is a big problem with progressives (tho they will never admit it). Regarding the lies behind the Rittenhouse persecution, Andrew Sullivan created a stir the other day with an article listing some of the other lies the media has pushed since 2016:
    Think of the other narratives the MSM pushed in recent years that have collapsed. They viciously defamed the Covington boys. They authoritatively told us that bounties had been placed on US soldiers in Afghanistan by Putin — and Trump’s denials only made them more certain. They told us that the lab-leak theory of Covid was a conspiracy theory with no evidence behind it at all. (The NYT actually had the story of the leak theory, by Donald McNeil, killed it, and then fired McNeil, their best Covid reporter, after some schoolgirls complained he wasn’t woke.) Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    The MSM took the ludicrous story of Jussie Smollett seriously because it fit their nutty “white supremacy” narrative. They told us that a woman was brutally gang-raped at UVA (invented), that the Pulse mass shooting was driven by homophobia (untrue) and that the Atlanta spa shooter was motivated by anti-Asian bias (no known evidence for that at all). For good measure, they followed up with story after story about white supremacists targeting Asian-Americans, in a new wave of “hate,” even as the assaults were disproportionately by African Americans and the mentally ill.

  16. It’s right to put the burden of proof on the prosecution, but let’s not pretend the law is applied equally to all defendants. We know there are different rules for different people. Reaction to this trial reflects this sense of disparate treatment.

  17. No, Emery is right that there are different rules for different people. For example, Ritttenhouse is on trial in part for gun charges, but Gaige Grosskreutz is not. Interestingly, Grosskreutz’s rap sheet is fairly long, including at least one expunged felony, and his crimes seem to be more serious.

    One might infer that being politically liberal/”anti”-fascist is a bulwark against prosecution, something that thousands of rioters who were in Kenosha at the time can affirm.

    But I don’t think that is the point that Emery was trying to make.

  18. (clarification; Grosskreutz’s gun crimes are the ones that are more serious. I’m not referring to the prosecution’s murder charges, obviously)

  19. PM – did Sullivan also refer to the MSM’s embrace of the Steele dossier? The NY Times just ran an editorial about it’s complicity in running with the story despite their own misgivings about the verifiability of the “facts”. Well, good for them, but the tone of the article ultimately was, “We did something kind of, sort of, bad, but not as bad as Trump, who made us do it.”

  20. No, Emery is right

    I wasn’t arguing the assertion. I just wanted some evidence. I like your evidence tho’.

  21. One might infer that being politically liberal/”anti”-fascist is a bulwark against prosecution, something that thousands of rioters who were in Kenosha at the time can affirm.

    Hundreds of thousands, all across the country. Not only a bulwark against prosecution, but against arrest as well.

  22. Bill C., I have to wonder exactly how many fascist “antifa” protesters there really are. Something in me wonders if they’re wandering around from riot to riot like Moonies at airports, and if only we’d arrested 5% of them, how quickly the movement would have dissipated. Same thing with Occupy before them.

    You might find that there weren’t that many, or you might find that after the ringleaders were arrested, the followers would disperse, but either way, if the police had been allowed to do their jobs, we would have had a lot less destruction of property and….a lot less crime this year. How many people would be alive instead of dead if a few thousand rioters had been arrested?

  23. I’ll wait 24 hours for Emery’s response. Then I’ll shoot this one down as well.

    Pun highly intended.

    Sorry, it’s been 25 hours. I had work to wrap up before going on PTO.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/941.2905(1)

    Whoever intentionally furnishes, purchases, or possesses a firearm for a person, knowing that the person is prohibited from possessing a firearm under s. 941.29 (1m), is guilty of a Class G felony

    Since it was already ruled that Kyle was not violating the law per https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/948.60(3)(c) – a 17 year old CAN openly carry a rifle that is not “short barrelled”, and Kyle has not met any of the criteria listed in https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/document/statutes/941.29(1m), this is not a straw purchase.

    https://bit.ly/3DrXev9

  24. If you are going to carry a rifle, you need to also carry a handgun in case someone tries to take your rifle and use it against you. You should also bring at least one attack dog — preferably a Belgian Malinois in case someone also attempts to take your handgun…

    It’s insanity to allow a person to carry a firearm but not mandate a duty to retreat. Grosskreutz could have easily killed Rittenhouse that night and it’s easy to imagine a scenario where he is lauded as a hero for stopping an active shooter.

    What we have here is the wild west where two individuals can square off and shoot each other in public and the survivor walks away having committed no crime. I really don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a good thing.

  25. Bill C — you’ll have to wait for the SiTD “user experience” guy’s moderation que…

  26. What we have here is the wild west where two individuals can square off and shoot each other in public and the survivor walks away having committed no crime.

    Please elaborate on this.

    How is it possible for two individuals to shoot each other in self-defense with neither committing a crime (presuming justifiable homicide is not considered “murder”).

    Be legally specific; not feelings, not s**t you heard on the MSM – under the law, how does this happen.

    Because I think when you write…

    I really don’t understand why anyone thinks this is a good thing

    …you, like most people getting your “information” on this case (and all self-defense cases) from the MSM, could have stopped before the word “why”.

    Go for it.

  27. ^ Sheesh — Let me repeat myself Incase you missed it. “Grosskreutz could have easily killed Rittenhouse that night and it’s easy to imagine a scenario where he is lauded as a hero for stopping an active shooter.” Two people — one walks away…

    As an aside — loved your response regarding Mr Rittenhouse’s straw purchase…

  28. Listening to the closing arguments in the case, I kept returning to the question: How do we know is the “good guy” with the gun? Who has the right to use deadly force? In a confused and chaotic setting, I see a person with an AR-15. Without really knowing what is happening, I conclude that they are a threat to me, then attempt to disarm that person. But, the moment I grab at their weapon, they can claim self-defense and use deadly force against me, even though I might honestly believe that I am acting in self-defense. Now, imagine that two armed people confront each other in such a setting. Do they both have a right to shoot in self-defense?

  29. Worth noting is that when he killed two criminals and wounded a third, there’s video evidence that Rittenhouse was retreating. But I guess little “facts” like that never get in the way of Emery’s narrative. He’s going to argue that shall issue carry laws are going to bring back dueling or something instead.

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