More, Faster

If the Feds (and the State of Minnesota’s) response to Covid were being driven by public health rather than politics (or, perhaps worse, a clumsiliy-politicized approach to public health), the “national conversation” would include a serious look into the effects of acquired immunity – the level of natural immunity that people who’ve had and recovered from Covid have.

There have been 40 million diagnosed cases of Covid in the US, and it seems inevitable that there are many millions more – some estimates say well over double. Let’s be (what else?) conservative and say “several million”.

The fact that this nation isn’t systematically testing for antibodies, and not only studying the effects of acquired immunity but publicizing the output of those studies, is to say the least troubling.

The fact that we apparently need a Senator to clue our “public health” apparatus into asking, and publicly discussing, this basic question should be enough to make anyone question the results the bureaucracy is actually looking for.

24 thoughts on “More, Faster

  1. One of the ways you can tell that an agency is not being transparent is that you cannot tell why they are doing things, or why the things they do they do in a way that cannot be understood.
    Even the CDC has said that its communications have been crappy during the pandemic, and that during a pandemic clear communications are essential for it to achieve its mission.
    Fauci is the worst. Every weekend he is on multiple news shows, saying heavily qualified, confusing things.
    He should have been forced out years ago.

  2. Skim until you see a word you recognize, then troll. Predictable.

    The point of Mitch’s post is that scientists know antibodies acquired by recovering from Covid work AT LEAST as well as antibodies generated by the ‘vaccine.’ Plus, we know from the government’s own phony numbers there at least 42 million cases of Americans who recovered from Covid and now have those antibodies.

    So why is ‘vaccine’ the only acceptable policy? Why do we care about one airline’s ‘vaccination’ rate – why not discuss their ‘vaccine’-or-proof-of-antibodies rate? Why not follow THE SCIENCE?

    Perhaps because if people acquire antibodies to Covid naturally, The Big Guy doesn’t get his 10%?

  3. It’s very telling and quite funny to those of us that know what’s going on at the Federal level, that for about five months, the CDC was running ads that literally begged people that had the WuFlu and recovered, to donate their anti bodies. Suddenly, those ads stopped running in about mid July. Now, the senile liar in chief and quack FAUXci, are discounting the natural immunity that those who have had it, enjoy. It’s just lie after lie after lie. If Trump told 10,000, going back to his invisible campaign, Joey Demento has blown past him by factors of 5,000.

  4. It’s far safer to get immunity from controlled doses of the vaccine spaced a month apart than to just put yourself out there to get infected.

    The far more important and practical question is that if you’ve already HAD Covid, should you still get vaccinated? This is a question that is likely to confront more than 100 million Americans (17.5 million confirmed and likely another 6 to 8 times as many without confirmed diagnosis — a very detailed study in October showed that the multiple at that time was 10 times).

    The answer to this more important question is that we don’t know, for sure, but it is highly unlikely that those who’ve had Covid need a vaccine. Sure there are cases of people getting reinfected, but so is the case with the vaccines — 6% of those who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine still got infected. Just like with the vaccines, those who get reinfected are likely to have much milder symptoms compared to the first time.

    Long term immunity comes from T-cells, not antibodies. Measuring antibodies five or six months after someone has had Covid and somehow equating that to some level of immunity is meaningless. The body doesn’t have armies of antibodies of every disease you’ve had, but retains “memory” in B cells to rapidly mount defense when re-infected.

  5. It’s far safer to get immunity from controlled doses of the vaccine spaced a month apart than to just put yourself out there to get infected.

    Arguably true in principle across society, maybe, but still way too broad.

    I had Covid. It felt like like the bronchitis I get occasionally, only not nearly as bad. The fever was unpleasant for about 12 hours, the cough for about a week. I didn’t miss any (at home) work.

    The J&J vaccine put me on the bench for a solid day. I actually missed more work to the vaccine than the disease.

    Your mileage may vary.

  6. Sorry, Emery I, but the majority of WuFlu “cases” and hospitalizations, have been jabbed at least once. Look at Israel. The most juiced country in the world, trying to push the fourth jab, yet their highest number of infected people, have been juiced. Closer to home, the state Vermont has the highest percentage of juiced residents among the states, but their breakthrough case numbers are proportionally higher. As I pointed out earlier this week, Pfizer just pulled their smoking cure off the market, because it causes cancer. Further, Pfizer has passed the $10 billion mark for product liability payouts. But, keep believing in your manufactured “science”, follow your hero FAUXci and roll up your sleeve every time your government betters tell you to. You are nothing but a serf.

  7. You mean because I had measles, rubella, chicken pox and mumps as a child I don’t need to get vaccinated against them? What a relief!

  8. “Long term immunity comes from T-cells, not antibodies. Measuring antibodies five or six months after someone has had Covid and somehow equating that to some level of immunity is meaningless. The body doesn’t have armies of antibodies of every disease you’ve had, but retains “memory” in B cells to rapidly mount defense when re-infected.”

    Does that analysis apply to Covid? If not, why not?

    If it does apply, why is ‘vaccine’ the only accepable answer? Why not ‘vaccine’ or T-cell, B-cell, antibody, or any other form of protection?

  9. Confucious sez: “Ignore health advice from people who hate you, especially if they have been proven wrong about everything else.”

  10. Until Biden gets voted out or keels over, you better get used to hearing the term “grim new milestone” apllied to a lot of things.

  11. It shouldn’t be surprising that natural infection provides a good level of immunity. However, 83% protection against reinfection after 5 months (probably even lower after 12 months and probably lower in the elderly) and the apparent increase in the mutation rate of the virus (maybe in response to increasing levels of immunity in the population?) means we need to be prepared for a seasonal coronavirus epidemic every winter alongside influenza and vaccination campaigns for the elderly every year.

    I’d still choose to be vaccinated than to be infected in the first place and go through suffering the symptoms while potentially
    infecting someone else.

    I think there is this argument that this is an individual choice, and it’s not an individual choice. This is a decision that affects your community. This is a collective choice. Just like with childhood vaccinations, if you go into a school setting and you’re not vaccinated for measles and you introduce measles into that setting, you’re affecting your community. So these are collective decisions.

    If you choose to be unvaccinated, you introduce the virus into your workplace and a worker takes it home and then infects their young child. You introduce it into a school, you didn’t vaccinate your child, your child introduces it to the school.

  12. Today there has been a lot of criticisism of De Santis for appointing a state surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, who doesn’t believe in mask or vaccine mandates.
    So I thought “Huh. Was Ladapo stupid enough to pay the Chinese to develop the covid virus? Nope, that was Anthony Fauci.”
    So Ladapo has already shown himself to be a better manager of public health than Fauci.

  13. This is hilarious! Emery lecturing people on how they should manage their health care!
    Good God, I hope no one is taking his advice. Wasn’t he betting on Brexit failing? And on Hillary beating Trump by a landslide?
    Why in the world does he think anyone should listen to him?

  14. ” . . . and you’re not vaccinated for measles and you introduce measles into that setting, you’re affecting your community . . . ” Which brings us to JPA’s 2:47.

    The measles shot is a ‘vaccine’ under the CDC’s old (August 2021) definition, meaning it produces immunity to measles. There is not a significant amount of breakthrough measles found in vaccinated people. One might call it a ‘sterilizing’ treatment.

    The Covid shot is a ‘vaccine’ under the CDC’s new (September 2021) definition, meaning it helps your body fight off the virus, same as zinc tablets, Vitamin D and chicken soup. There are an enormous number of breakthrough Covid cases, so many we quit counting them. Covid is a non-sterilizing treatment.

    The reason that matters is unvaccinated illegal immigrant children take measles into school but if everyone else in class is vaccinated, the ‘herd’ has immunity so the unvax kid doesn’t endanger the class. That’s the justification for saying measles vaccination is not an individual choice but a collective decision.

    The same is NOT true for Covid. If an unvaccinated illegal immigrant worker brings Covid into the meat packing plant where everyone else is vaccinated, the ‘herd’ does not have immunity because the vaccine does not provide immunity. The one unvax worker can spread Covid, but so can all the already-vaxxed workers. The vax does not create immunity and does not prevent spread. At best, if may lessen your personal symptoms which is why getting the vax is a personal decision, not a collective decision.

  15. “Today there has been a lot of criticisism of De Santis for appointing a state surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, who doesn’t believe in mask or vaccine mandates.”

    Florida Surgeon General? That’s somewhere between First Aid Merit Badge and a shady Urgent Care…

    So Florida wants to be like Utah?

    My guess is they want to be better than Utah and Texas, South Dakota, Tennessee, West Virginia, New Mexico and…
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

  16. Fauci’s incompetence is at the heart of the covid pandemic. No mistakes, done by anyone, any where, would have happened if only Fauci had shown the tiniest bit of common sense and not paid China to create covid.

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  18. Well said on antibody testing. Might not be perfect–no test is–but knowing who’s got a degree of immunity would have been extremely helpful. It’s almost as if Fauci and other public health officials were designing the response to get people to die. Lock up kids to protect them (despite low risk), expose senior citizens by sending COVID patients into nursing homes. Lock up the borders to nations where vaccination is common and COVID rates are low, open up the southern border to people who are not vaccinated and where the COVID rate is extremely high.

  19. “Sep. 22—WARRENTON, OR — Mayor Henry Balensifer has warned Gov. Kate Brown that he will be forced to declare an emergency and ask for help from the Oregon National Guard or other state resources if the city’s firefighters quit over the governor’s coronavirus vaccine mandate.

    Most of the city’s firefighters are unvaccinated and a significant portion have indicated they will not get a COVID-19 vaccine by Brown’s Oct. 18 deadline for health care workers, teachers and other school staff.”
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    Sep. 22
    “Earlier this month, more than 500 Los Angeles firefighters filed a lawsuit against the city’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate. The suit is one of several challenges among police and EMS personnel across California and in other major cities, many of whom have threatened resignations in response to the new rules.”

    Who needs firemen…fuck ’em.

  20. CBS News

    “Many health care workers are refusing to get a COVID-19 vaccine”

    “A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective, according to a recent survey by Surgo Ventures, a non-profit group focused on solving health and social problems. Others in the health field worried the development of the vaccine had been rushed.”

    Yeah, well fuck them too…let ’em walk.

  21. Huge Number of Hospital Workers Still Unvaccinated
    By Brenda Goodman, MA, Andy Miller

    — Tim Oswalt had been in a Fort Worth, TX, hospital for over a month, receiving treatment for a grapefruit-sized tumor in his chest that was pressing on his heart and lungs. It turned out to be stage III non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

    Then one day in January, he was moved from his semi-private room to an isolated one with special ventilation. The staff explained he had been infected by the virus that was once again surging in many areas of the country, including Texas.

    “How the hell did I catch COVID?” he asked the staff, who now approached him in full moon-suit personal protective equipment (PPE).

    The hospital was locked down, and Oswalt hadn’t had any visitors in weeks. Neither of his two roommates tested positive. He’d been tested for COVID-19 several times over the course of his nearly 5-week stay and was always negative.

    Officials at John Peter Smith Hospital, where Oswalt was treated, say they are puzzled by his case. According to their infection prevention team, none of his caregivers tested positive for COVID-19, nor did Oswalt share space with any other COVID-positive patients. And yet, local media reported a surge in cases among JPS hospital staff in December.

    They should have kicked that guy out, before they had to make some bullshit up to explain their bullshit.

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