Joe Doakes from Como park emails:
Here’s New York’s vaccine passport plan. Governor Walz is a New York wanna-be; his will follow shortly, no doubt.
Normally, I’d say “Who cares? I don’t go to any of those places,” except for the fact Hy Vee has in-store dining and I will need groceries. Delivery? Oh no, you can bet every delivery service will refuse to serve customers who lack a vaccine passport. They’re private businesses, they can do whatever they want.
Dang it, I should have listened to the preppers.
Joe Doakes
The divide between sane America and crazy America is getting bigger and bigger.
Unlike many GOP voters from their federal representatives, NYC reprobates are getting everything they voted for.
My liberal sister in Massachusetts and her idiot son in California have been drinking the Kool Aid so long I’m sure they’d jump at the chance to be first in line to get microchipped with a vaccine passport. To call them hamsters is a slur against decent rodents everywhere. I prefer the term “sheeple.”
MP has mentioned this once or twice in the past, but in NYC it is particularly important: there is a large number of blacks who are not vaccinated. I’ve seen recent numbers indicating as low as 30%. By choice. Hispanics are somewhat but not much better (certainly not in MX, if you cared).
I’ve also seen that lawsuits are planned or pending against the mandates because the mandates are discriminatory against blacks.
As Jonathan Tobin recently wrote, As we learned in the last year, a great many Americans care more about their perceived safety than they do about their constitutional rights. It is just as obvious that the educated classes—many of whom worked from home without loss of income while the working class and poor either had to endanger themselves in “essential” service positions or lost their jobs—care even less about the rights of others, even African Americans and the poor, if they think discrimination will make their own lives easier or safer.
golf, I feel your pain. Sadly, my wife and her side of the family, as well as my kids, are drinking the kool aid by the gallon. What really blows my mind is how clueless my sister in law is. She’s a medical researcher and runs clinical trials. She says that she has no qualms about getting the Pfizer jabs.
I think we do ourselves a disservice to forget that the majority of “sisters” (see above) are terrified and therefore utterly unreasonable. The Democrat powers-that-be have cynically manipulated these people so that virtually no policy, no matter how malicious, is unacceptable.
If the vaccines effective rate was known to be about 50% (as it is) rather than 90%+ (as it was claimed to be), would we have had the rool out?
As we have seen, time and again throughout the pandemic, facts on the ground have changed, and the messenging hasn’t. That’s how you know the vaxxers are in the grip of a mania.
Covid occurred naturally, in a wet market.
Or maybe escaped from a lab.
In 2020.
Or possibly 2019.
It’s racist to suggest the Chinese lied about the origin of the virus.
The Chinese must come clean about the origin of the virus.
You don’t need a mask to avoid Covid, just elbow bump and wash your hands while singing the alphabet song.
Everyone must wear a mask to avoid Covid.
Covid lives on surfaces like grocery store conveyor belts, which must be sanitized between customers.
Covid is airborne so wear a bandanna.
Covid is not airborne during ‘mostly peaceful demonstrations’ or birthday parties.
Stay at least two meters apart to prevent contagion.
Except at Sturgis, Spring Break, or Lollapalooza.
Covid is so deadly hospitals must be emptied to make room for infected patients.
Covid cannot live in nursing homes so it’s safe to send infected patients there.
The Surge means we need a refrigerated warehouse to handle all the corpses.
The Surge is coming, any day now, you’ll see.
There’s no such thing as herd immunity from a coronavirus like Covid.
We can end the Peacetime Emergency when we achieve herd immunity.
The vaccine cannot be ready by the election.
Even if it is, I wouldn’t take a vaccine developed under the Trump regime.
The vaccine is 90% effective.
But doesn’t prevent you from catching Covid again, or spreading Covid to others.
The vaccine has no side effects.
Children under 12 should not receive the vaccine because of the side effects.
Everyone must be vaccinated.
And show their papers.
Or be shunned from society.
And wear a scarlet letter.
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Because SCIENCE.
JD wrote: /“Covid occurred naturally, in a wet market. Or maybe escaped from a lab.
In 2020. Or possibly 2019./“
We won’t ever know where it came from because China will never be transparent. Although the media is suddenly playing up the lab-leak hypothesis to generate headlines, plenty of experts continue to believe that it more likely than not originated naturally.
And the fact is that most people don’t care. Regardless of its origin, safety protocols at labs around the world dealing with potentially
dangerous pathogens need to be tightened anyway. Most countries woefully failed to contain the virus, regardless of its origin—the World Health Organization declared that sustained human-to-human transmission was occurring on January 21 2020, and declared a Public Health Emergency on January 30 2020.
Countries had ample time to take early, decisive action, and most countries didn’t. Trump admitted on tape to Bob Woodward that he deliberately played down the virus in January, February and early March, when he was praising the Chinese Communist Party’s handling of the pandemic.
Biden was right in February 2020, when he said: “if I were president today, I would not be taking China’s word when it comes to the coronavirus. American scientists and health experts should be allowed in the country to determine how the virus started and to help contain its spread.” And he is right to have opened an investigation into the virus’s origins. But I doubt we will find ourselves any closer to the truth.
And the E-cluster delivers a hanging pitch right down the middle . . .
What should President Trump have done to prevent the spread of Covid in the United States, when should he have done it, and under what authority?
JD, he did that yesterday too and I was about to respond, but I enjoy it so much more when you do.
@ Golfdoc50 — Why even go into a career based on science if you think science is all bullshit? Any healthcare worker who does not understand the vetting process for drugs and vaccines should find a different field of endeavor.
The data I’ve seen indicates that the vaccines we currently have are 50-70% effective at preventing the transmission of the Delta variant, probably somewhat more effective at reducing hospitalization and death. So the vaccine passport is more or less saying that if you’ve got 2 or 3 rounds in your revolver, you’re good to go, but if you’ve got 5, then it’s dangerous to play Russian Roulette.
And the left accuses conservatives of rejecting science.
Why don’t we trust the SCIENCE?
See my 10:18.
@ Golfdoc50 — Why even go into a career based on science if you think science is all bullshit?
Does Emery understand the difference between science and the politicized interpretation of data that’s used to set policy.
Hmmm… mRNA had not progressed to human trials in 20 years because most animal subjects died. And then warp speed ahead, human trials without getting out of animal trials first! Because science™!
You’ve got an axe to grind regarding your family tragedy — and use your time on SiTD to do so.
That was uncalled for.
I apologize if I offended you. It was just an observation. For you — it’s personal.
It’s pretty clear what is happening re: covid.
It is the three C’s of bourgeois rule, Contingency, Compromise, Concensus.
To the bourgeois, aka the clerical class, aka the management class, the most important thing is that you do what you are told, not that what they are telling you to do is the right thing to do.
If you make ANYTHING a higher priority than class solidarity, you are putting your class privilege at risk. The people most hated on the left are people who are class traitors, DJT and Tucker Carlson.
Looking for a job? Increasingly, have to be vaccinated. With people also quitting jobs instead of taking mandated shots, there’s a whole new wrinkle in the labor market.
/Fox News mandates employees disclose vaccination status, contradicting rhetoric from top stars/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/media/fox-mandate-vaccine-status/index.html
It’s almost as if they’re doing all that attacking and yelling about vaccines just to fight and make money off ratings.
There is no better salesman for the vaccine than Joe “That happened 3 or 4 days ago” Biden.
Another ad hominem attack, E?
I have no logical reasons for declining to trust the people who have repeatedly lied to us, it’s all an emotional outburst because a family member died, that’s why I post on SITD?
You really are a poor thinker. I’m glad I’ve never had to talk to you in person.
JD,
Emery was the toughest kid on the block behind his mommy’s apron strings. If he ever opened his pie hole in front of someone personally, he’d get the epic ass kicking that he so richly deserves.
OK, trying to get out of moderation purgatory; my thought is that if vaccines are about 50-70% effective against the new variant, exactly what use is a “vaccine passport”, except to give the vaccinated the false perception that they can do what they want to do without fear of infecting others?
It’s pretty odd that the left, desiring to pull stunts like this, dares to accuse their political opponents of “denying science”. If they want to see someone who’s denying science, all they need to do is to shave.
Regarding Emery’s idiotic attack in JD, since when is it wrong for someone to act on the losses he’s endured? Is Simone Biles’ activism somehow suspect because she was assaulted by Larry Nassar? Is Simon Wiesenthal’s activism suspect because he actually spent time in a concentration camp?
Of course not. Emery, you need to wake up and realize that in this regard, you are an a-hole. Let’s try a real apology, buddy.
Trying to be an insufferable douchebag, Emery?
Success is yours.
Regarding Emery’s idiotic attack in JD, since when is it wrong for someone to act on the losses he’s endured?
When they might vote R.
Considering how much lefties seem to use “personal tragedy” (or someone else’s personal tragedy) as the basis for appeals to emotion rather than arguments rooted in facts and logic, Emery’s actions don’t surprise. So many of the their arguments center around personal impact or action. People bemoan the collapse of Afghanistan and the humanitarian crisis created by the Biden administration’s ineptitude, and I’ve seen more than one lefty “argue” that, unless you picked up a rifle and went to fight the Taliban, you should just shut up. And I’ve lost count of the number of times Biden and his supporters seek to defend the withdrawal by saying we couldn’t stay in Afghanistan forever, to which even some of Biden’s reliably-friendly partners in the media have pushed back with the point that few are criticizing the pull-out, but the manner in which is was conducted. People are not falling for the rhetorical sleight-of-hand.
Same goes for vaccine passports. Strange that to the average “nuanced” lefty brain, hesitancy to receive the jab of an unapproved vaccine is the same as the all-vaccines-are-more-dangerous-than-the-disease mindset of the Jenny McCarthys of the world. That a person can have personally received the jab and still raise their eyebrows at mandating said unapproved vaccine for everyone. Or question the authoritarianism of proof of vaccination to participate in society– this is the same crowd that characterized Arizona’s SB 1070 law as a “show me your papers” law. If only Arizona legislators had made it require proof of vaccination from stopped drivers, it might have had more bipartisan support.
The weird thing is the right wing cranks who oppose vaccine passports support Voter ID. They also have this weird thing where they think the state should stay out of people’s personal lives but think gay people marrying should be illegal.
The trick, Emery, is that voter ID works. Since vaccine efficacy in preventing infection with the Delta variant is only 50-70%, vaccine passports will just give a false sense of safety that will tend to make the epidemic worse. It’s like putting a couple rounds in the wheel, spinning it, and pulling the trigger–repeatedly.
Everything must be weird to the stupid.
@BB: I fully support Voter ID.
The passport absolutely gives you protection, because it reduces the rate at which the unvaccinated spread the virus, reducing the risk of the new variants.
Most private insurers are no longer waiving cost-sharing for Covid-19 treatment, which means people seeking hospital care (who overwhelmingly are unvaccinated) will be required to pay.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/most-private-insurers-are-no-longer-waiving-cost-sharing-for-covid-19-treatment/
The private sector is going to move the needle on people getting vaccinated. Between businesses and venues not letting them in, and now this, unvaccinated people will find themselves limited to go anywhere or do anything.
No, Emery, the passport absolutely does NOT give you protection for the same reason face mask mandates did not give protection–that’s why the latter did not show improvements when tested statistically. You theoretically reduce the risk of transmission in each encounter, but told they’re safe, people then treat the mask as a “face condom” and have a lot more encounters. Hence no protection.
For that matter, that’s why all those condom programs of the 1990s and this century have been accompanied by a steady HIV infection rate of ~20k-30k/year and a skyrocketing rate of other STDs. People thought that because “condoms prevent infection”, they could have more encounters with scarier partners, and learned the hard way that it doesn’t work that way.
I think you and Woolly have very little support from real physicians regarding the efficiency of masking. Carry on
Little support from physicians like Fauci, total support from the actual data. That’s a big part of the problem, Emery. The obvious isn’t being done, but the 3rd or 4th likely component of the Pareto is.
I’ll get the bug juice when my insurer not only agrees to cover the lifetime cost of getting treated for whatever heinous shit the juice causes, with no limitations or caps, but also agrees to pay me X10 my lifetime earnings in compensation for lost salary.
And a ride on Elon’s rocket ship.
For those not convinced by the inchoate ravings of a proven liar, here is a peer reviewed, clinical study from the US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Healththat concluded cloth maskies are bullshit:
A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers
C Raina MacIntyre,1 Holly Seale,1 Tham Chi Dung,2 Nguyen Tran Hien,2 Phan Thi Nga,2 Abrar Ahmad Chughtai,1 Bayzidur Rahman,1 Dominic E Dwyer,3 and Quanyi Wang4
Results
The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.
Conclusions
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/do-cloth-masks-work
Cloth maskies are an IQ test…
Gee, so the paper mask manufacturers who print on the side of the box “THIS MASK IS NOT INTENDED TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF DISEASES SUCH AS COVID” were right all along.
Masking, along with getting the jab, are NOT health measures. They are religious rituals. Period. The acolytes are trying to shame non-acolytes, and are marginalizing them in society due to the disbelievers refusal to convert to the one true religion.
Proud to be an #Infidel.
No, Bill C. Be proud to parade your big, functional brain in front of the losers of the genetic lottery.