Joe Doakes from Como Park emails:

Liberals are thrilled with the notion that law enforcement should be able to petition the court to seize firearms owned by potential bad guys. The evidence presented would be rumor, innuendo, gossip, accusation.  The standard of proof would be “he’s more likely than not, to do something bad someday.”
If Sheriff Bull Connor petitions the court to seize guns from suspected troublemakers using the red flag laws as his authority, but 99% of the people he flags are African American males between the ages of 13 and 30 (on the grounds that they tend to be the most likely to shoot up the neighborhood), will liberals continue to be thrilled?

Joe Doakes

Those who take the “Liberal” thing seriously probably will.

“Progressives”, on the other hand, won’t care. It’s about neither safety nor equality. Sometimes you gotta break eggs to make an omelet. Some of those eggs are black.

5 thoughts on “Strongarm

  1. How about red flag laws for cars? I mean, gosh, more people are killed by cars than guns.

    – That old woman who putters down the street and can barely see over the wheel, take her car.
    – The kid who burns rubber leaving the driveway, take his car.
    – The jerk who dumped his wife for a bimbo, take his new sports car.
    – The neighbor who’s dog peed on your lawn. the one who drinks too much, take his car.
    – Someone gets your car taken, take theirs.

    Think about it. Not only do you and the public benefit – but the earth does as well. It’s like win, win, win.

  2. I’m sure if you just explain nicely to those well-armed Bloods and Crips the sensibility of not shooting each other, they will gladly turn their guns into decorative lamps. Liberals live in this absolutely marvelous fantasyland, yes?

  3. This brings up a good point that I haven’t yet seen used in this “discussion”:

    Gang members (or their slightly less contaminated “associates”) could use red flag laws to at least harass their rivals in other gangs. While I’m sure there are no “registered” or “documented” firearms in the gang population that the cops could confiscate, it sure would be an unwelcome surprise for the cops to show up at Gangbanger A’s house:

    “We have reports of a firearm or firearms being possessed by Gangbanger A who we have been told is a danger to themselves or others. We need to confiscate them”

    “Ain’t no guns here, G!”

    “Mind if we have a look around, sir?”

    If guns were found that were illegally possessed and/or modified (serial number scratched off), there’s one more felony arrest.

    (Side question: Is the “red flag” report of a gun good enough for a cop to be allowed to demand entry for searching, just like a search warrant? Or does further legal process need to be performed to get a warrant for an unauthorized search? I suppose that would be dependent on how the law was written – and I CAN’T imagine that someone on the gun-grabbing left wouldn’t have already thought of this and written the law to cover this situation.)

  4. Bill C – IANAL. Most ‘red flag’ laws are written such that after receiving a ‘red flag’ report, police can petition the court for a temporary order declaring the subject dangerous and ordering seizure of any guns (in many jurisdictions this is called an ‘Extreme Risk Protection Order’ or ERPO for short). That hearing is held ‘ex parte’ meaning that the reportedly ‘dangerous’ individual with the guns is not allowed to be present for the hearing. When a temporary ERPO is granted it includes a search warrant authorizing police to seize guns. Some jurisdictions allow family members to directly petition the court for a temporary ERPO and a search warrant ordering police to seize guns.

    After the temporary ERPO search warrant has been served and guns have been seized, a hearing is set to determine whether the temporary ERPO should be become a long term ERPO (usually lasting a year). The ‘dangerous’ gun owner does get to appear at that hearing. These are civil orders by the way so the standard of proof is different than what would be required in a criminal matter.

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