Shot in the Dark

Red Wins

One of the great conceits of the “elite” left – led, in Minnesota, by the Star Tribune’s insufferable editorial board – is that if Minnesota’s taxpayers don’t pony up to pay for a “better Minnesota” – the “high tax, high service” state model – we’ll be a “cold Omaha”.

Voters around the country are saying back – “If it gets us away from you and your moronic, childish policies, Omaha’s not so bad”.

The LATimes notes that voters are making that exact choice with their feet:

In  America’s federal system, some states, such as California, offer residents a “package deal” that bundles numerous and ambitious public benefits with the high taxes needed to pay for them. Other states, such as Texas, offer packages combining modest benefits and low taxes. These alternatives, of course, define the basic argument between liberals and conservatives over what it means to get the size and scope of government right.

It’s not surprising, then, that there’s an intense debate over which model is more admirable and sustainable. What is surprising is the growing evidence that the low-benefit/low-tax package not only succeeds on its own terms but also according to the criteria used to defend its opposite. In other words, the superior public goods that supposedly justify the high taxes just aren’t being delivered.

The article compares Cali to Texas – but it could just as easily apply to high-tax/high-“service” Minnesota and some of its neighbors:

California and Texas are not perfect representatives of the alternative deals, but they come close. Overall, the Census Bureau’s latest data show that state and local government expenditures for all purposes in 2005-06 were 46.8% higher in California than in Texas: $10,070 per person compared with $6,858. Only three states and the District of Columbia saw higher per capita government outlays than California, while those expenditures in Texas were lower than in all but seven states. California ranked 10th in overall taxes levied by state and local governments, on a per capita basis, while Texas, one of only seven states with no individual income tax, was 38th.

So people in San Francisco tell each other that if they don’t fund every single thing their public employees and special interests want, they’ll become a “cold Austin?”

Did I say “moving with their feet?”

One way to assess how Americans feel about the different tax and benefit packages the states offer is by examining internal U.S. migration patterns. Between April 1, 2000, and June 30, 2007, an average of 3,247 more people moved out of California than into it every week, according to the Census Bureau. Over the same period, Texas had a net weekly population increase of 1,544 as a result of people moving in from other states. During these years, more generally, 16 of the 17 states with the lowest tax levels had positive “net internal migration,” in the Census Bureau’s language, while 14 of the 17 states with the highest taxes had negative net internal migration.

These folks pulling up stakes and driving U-Haul trucks across state lines understand a reality the defenders of the high-benefit/high-tax model must confront: All things being equal, everyone would rather pay low taxes than high ones. The high-benefit/high-tax model can work only if things are demonstrably not equal — if the public goods purchased by the high taxes far surpass the quality, quantity and impact of those available to people who live in states with low taxes.

And it’s here that I hope the author has done his homework; we’ve been through this before.

Refugees from California have already spent the last twenty years fleeing California – for Oregon and for Colorado.  They fled the taxes; they brought their taste for lots of “services”.  Ditto New Hampshire and Vermont; inundated with Massachussetts tax refugees, they have turned their adopted states into high-tax, high-“service” hellholes of their very own.

But what does that get you these days?  (Emphasis added):

Today’s public benefits fail that test, as urban scholar Joel Kotkin of NewGeography.com and Chapman University told the Los Angeles Times in March: “Twenty years ago, you could go to Texas, where they had very low taxes, and you would see the difference between there and California. Today, you go to Texas, the roads are no worse, the public schools are not great but are better than or equal to ours, and their universities are good. The bargain between California’s government and the middle class is constantly being renegotiated to the disadvantage of the middle class.”

You could say the same about Minnesota and its low tax neighbors.

In more ways than one:

These judgments are not based on drive-by sociology. According to a report issued earlier this year by the consulting firm McKinsey & Co., Texas students “are, on average, one to two years of learning ahead of California students of the same age,” even though per-pupil expenditures on public school students are 12% higher in California. The details of the Census Bureau data show that Texas not only spends its citizens’ dollars more effectively than California but emphasizes priorities that are more broadly beneficial. Per capita spending on transportation was 5.9% lower in California, and highway expenditures in particular were 9.5% lower, a discovery both plausible and infuriating to any Los Angeles commuter losing the will to live while sitting in yet another freeway traffic jam.

Perhaps people in Texas, Fargo and Miami will start complaining that if the liberals don’t shut up about being “happy to pay for a better Texas, Fargo or Florida”, they’ll turn into a “warm Los Angeles?”


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22 responses to “Red Wins”

  1. Margaret Avatar

    Wow. Maybe, just maybe good government doesn’t have anything to do with how high your taxes are.

  2. angryclown Avatar
    angryclown

    Sure, cause cheaper’s usually better, right Margaret? Still congratulating yourself on that bargain education from Otter Tail Community College?

    By the way, with global warming, expect Minneapolis to turn into “regular Omaha.”

  3. Margaret Avatar

    AC, my expensive education hasn’t paid for itself yet. I bet there are plenty of CC degrees that do. And I’m looking forward to global warming in MN, I hope I’m not disappointed in that. Cheaper isn’t necessarily better. More expensive isn’t necessarily better. Better is better. Anybody who has purchased consumer electronics knows that.

  4. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Sure, cause cheaper’s usually better, right Margaret?

    Dunno about “usually”, but as the article that I linked noted – when it comes to government, “low taxes and smarter priorities” seem to be.

    Still congratulating yourself on that bargain education from Otter Tail Community College?

    The fact that Margaret might not be the one someone from Klown Kollege oughtta ding on toniness of degree notwithstanding, that brings up a fun question; what’s better, the U of North Dakota, the U of Minnesota, or Brown?

    Well, it depends, dinnit? If you’re a dimbulb spawn of old money, then a legacy admission to Brown will give you the connections you need to put that “Ivy League”, employable sheen on your innate incuriosity and mediocrity.

    If you’re going to be a teacher or a computer programmer or an emergency room nurse? You’ll probably get a much better education (as opposed to “schooling”) for your money at the other two.

    If you’re in a field where “it’s not who you know, but who you b**w”, like arbitrage or hedge fund management or the law or conceptual performance art? By all means go for the Ivies. But if you’re in a field where actual knowledge and measurable competence are not only important, but matters of life or death – engineering, aviation, nursing to pick three – then your land grant universities are not only a better “value” for the money (yours and the taxpayers) but most likely give you a better education in objective terms.

    Which is what this article is about, as opposed to comparing institutional d*** s**es degrees.

  5. Master of None Avatar

    Corzine is going to spend about $20 million of his own money on a failed attempt to be Governor of New Jersey.

    You could spend a lot less to not be a Governor of a far better state.

  6. Kermit Avatar
    Kermit

    Still congratulating yourself on that bargain education from Otter Tail Community College?
    They announced today that 23 university presidents makes over $1 million a year, and $50,000 a year is not uncommon for your average degree.
    An Ottertail CC degree might just tell a future employer that your actually a good bet.

  7. Margaret Avatar

    There are also the for profit, private educational establishments competing with Public and Public Land Grant institutions. Depending on what you want, you can find the one that gives you what you are looking for in terms of cost, program structure and credentials.

  8. Night Writer Avatar

    Sure, cause cheaper’s usually better, right Margaret?

    Actually, I think what’s being questioned is the notion that “more expensive is usually better.” As the article cited in the post indicates, the higher taxes are not delivering better “product”. When the brand no longer delivers, watch out (just ask Cadillac and watch out when the college loan bubble pops).

    It’s also interesting that people are leaving high-tax California and Massachusetts for lower-tax states – but bringing their “high-tax/high-service” thinking with them. Either they’re stupid, enemy agents, or the latest version of the human capacity to despoil one place and then move on to fresh pastures. There’s been a lot of concern about the costs that illegal aliens bring to a state; this suggests that there maybe ought to be more scrutiny of legal aliens – those with “alien” ideas of government compared the “natives” – moving in.

  9. Ben Avatar

    I graduated from Normandale Community College and you know whats crazy? So far I would have to say that overall teachers are BETTER there than here at the U of M. They actually care to you know, get to know and interact with the students. I have been lucky so far but from what I can gather talking to my classmates 50%+ of the teachers here at the U are complete know it all assholes. So AC rip CC’s all you want, at least people are trying to further their education there. Elite universities are becoming unaffordable for most people, especially now. In 20 years an Ivy League degree might not be worth the paper its printed on. The U of M has the best graduate program in the country and our tuition is 25-30% of what it is at elite local and national universities.

  10. Ben Avatar

    by elite I meant private.

  11. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    Night Writer….it shows the idoiocy of the left. They create high tax, high regulatory hells, then can’t figure out why their society has turned into a horrid place, so flea and recreate the same condition elsewhere.

  12. angryclown Avatar
    angryclown

    Well argued, Ben.

    Angryclown assumes they don’t teach you apostrophes until spring semester?

  13. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    Clown, George W Bush graduated from Harvard and Yale. Your administration is trading punches with Limbaugh, a dropout from Missuorri State. Glenn Beck keeps taking Obama admin scalps and he’s just a high school graduate.
    They made you shift leader at Denny’s yet, Mr. Clown?

  14. Kermit Avatar
    Kermit

    Minnesota has an excise tax on apostrophes.

  15. Master of None Avatar

    He’s got the right number of apostrophes, they’re just in the wrong place.

    Just like AC’s chromosomes.

  16. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Missuorri State

    Anyone else read that and think “Finland is low tax/low service?”

  17. Mr. D Avatar

    Anyone else read that and think “Finland is low tax/low service?”

    That, or

    Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti…

  18. Ben Avatar

    Terry don’t forget about Palin (4 colleges to graduate) T-Paw (U of M grad) and thats all I can come up with off the top of my head. And Kermit yes I know that tax blows, Im getting really sick of it because I cant afford it. I already used my daily quota of them, its good practice though because helath care will be rationed starting soon. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

  19. Night Writer Avatar

    Down in Missourr-uh we’re mighty respectful of folks with book larnin’ and Prof. Clown can work one of our rodeos any ol’ time. Shoot, he can even be the one in the barrel!

  20. Ben Avatar

    i r kolege stoodunt

  21. angryclown Avatar
    angryclown

    Angryclown thinks Ben is actually a LOLcat.

  22. Bill C Avatar

    Ben can haz cheeseburger.

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