If America Is Doomed…

…it’s because of the people in this room.

Starting with the questioner, who notes what a disaster Obamacare has been to her family, but still “wants to vote Democrat”, is a great (aka terrible, depressing, enervating) start.

And of course, Hillary, whose answer to “my healthcare costs have tripled” is “my goal will be to get them down” (without further elaboration) is deeply, corrosively depressing.

No, really – that’s what she said:

And of course, the – I don’t use the term lightly – sheeple who applauded her non-answer answer.

And as of 2012, that was 51% of your neighbors.

There’s a reason I remove all poison, sleeping pills and sharp objects from the room before I write about Democrat party politics.

29 thoughts on “If America Is Doomed…

  1. “Mrs. Clinton, will you release the transcripts of your speeches to Wall Street firms?”
    “I’ll look into that”

  2. Something about Democrats…. I’ve heard many times “I am a Democrat because by father was a Democrat, and my grandfather was a Democrat”. They don’t always look at issues of the two parties, but support that party because that is what they always have done. So this lady thinks she can work within the Democrat party to reverse Democrat policies.

  3. I’m a Democrat because the Republican party is corrupt to its core. It deceives its rank and file with false promises on social issues in order to have the votes to back policies that have exclusively benefited the very wealthy. Both sets of my grandparents were Republicans, one was a John Birch Society member. Both of my parents rebelled against that kind of poison. Perhaps Mitch, the poison you need to rid yourself of is your poisonous hatred. The Affordable Care Act is FAR from perfect, after all, it was the idea of Republicans, but as compared to the do nothing/free market solution the Republicans championed and still champion, it was a step in the right directly. The VAST majority of people haven’t seen their insurance go up by 3 times but obviously, when you MAKE insurers pay for pre-existing conditions, an expense they had declined to pay for at an increasing rate over the past 30 years, the expenses for those companies do go higher and people who were in those “plans” that excluded pre-existing conditions, if they stay in those same discount plans, will see their bills go up – no question. YET, nearly 15 MILLION people who previously did not have health care coverage now do. No solution is perfect, this one is far even from that, but doing nothing was intolerable. And yet, doing nothing is all you Republicans have to offer. You are the party of “no”, you are the party of anarchy and deceitful rhetoric and if you want to know why America isn’t the greatest nation in the world right now, look in the mirror as you put away your sharp knives. YOU abetted the movement of jobs overseas, not the Dems. YOU abetted passing tax laws which rewarded the wealthy for cutting benefits, not the Dems, and YOU applauded politics which used race and religious intolerance as tools to divide a nation. If America is to be great again, that division has to end. Rather than end it, though, you seem perfectly fine with blaming others rather than taking any for yourself and equally fine calling others names rather than finding common ground. Congratulations.

  4. I know a few Sanders supporters. We don’t argue about politics, though I try, sometimes, to ask them questions that will, maybe, make them rethink some key assumptions.
    Sanders says that he is a ‘democratic socialist.’ He wants us to think his socialism is Denmark socialism, not Cuba socialism.
    The US is not Denmark. European governments tend to be much more centralized than the American government (with a few notable exceptions). They also tend to be more democratic, and have more fractured party systems than we have.
    The federal government is not especially sensitive to democratic influence. It was not designed to be sensitive to democratic influence. We have a winner-take-all system that results in two parties dominating federal elections. There is little need for coalition building, once you get to 51% of the house.
    These are important issues that are not being discussed in the media. Hillary claims to be a gradualist. She supports the same policies that Sanders supports, she just want to introduce socialism, at the federal level, at a slower rate.

  5. Nearly everything in your comment is a lie, Pen. Why do you believe it? You (like a lot of democrats) need to check your epistemology.

  6. I’m a Democrat because the Republican party is corrupt to its core.

    Chicago.
    Newark.
    Detroit.
    New Orleans.
    Stockton.
    Oakland.
    Baltimore.

    Yep. Darn those corrupt Republicans.

  7. It deceives its rank and file with false promises on social issues in order to have the votes to back policies that have exclusively benefited the very wealthy.

    George Soros.
    Paul Allen.
    All of Silicon Valley.
    The Trial Lawyers Association.
    Most of Wall Street (80% of whose donations went to Obama in 2012)

    Yep. Darn those Republicans.

  8. Both sets of my grandparents were Republicans, one was a John Birch Society member.

    Of course one was.

    So what? That’s your family’s business; it has nothing to do with the GOP.

    Both of my parents rebelled against that kind of poison.

    Ah. So – you while you say you’re a Democrat because of “corruption”, you’re really a legacy, then?

  9. Perhaps Mitch, the poison you need to rid yourself of is your poisonous hatred.

    Huh?

    We go from your “bircher” grandfather to my hatred?

    Pen, I say this as someone who, one way or another, has always considered you a friend, and hope (against experience) that you’ll take this in the spirit intended; the way you feel the need to make all political discussions relentlessly personal makes it difficult to put much interest into taking part.

    Just saying.

  10. The VAST majority of people haven’t seen their insurance go up by 3 times but obviously, when you MAKE insurers pay for pre-existing conditions, an expense they had declined to pay for at an increasing rate over the past 30 years, the expenses for those companies do go higher and people who were in those “plans” that excluded pre-existing conditions, if they stay in those same discount plans, will see their bills go up – no question. YET, nearly 15 MILLION people who previously did not have health care coverage now do.

    Seen the medical bankruptcy numbers lately?

    Talked to any 20-somethings trying to afford insurance?

    This is far from “not perfect”.

  11. doing nothing was intolerable. And yet, doing nothing is all you Republicans have to offer.

    Well, no. There were quite a number of plans the GOP offered. None of them were the “one great plan to unite them all” panacaea that gets Democrats all tingly, but they would have not only covered pre-existing conditions and the uninsured, but preserved the strengths of our system – the risk pool. Which is something O-Care basically absolished and substituted with “cost sharing”, a kludge whose consequences we’re only starting to pay for.

  12. You are the party of “no”,

    If only that were true.

    you are the party of anarchy

    At long last, you’re getting warmer.

    Minarchy – the government we need, and no more – would be a nice switch.

  13. YOU abetted the movement of jobs overseas, not the Dems. YOU abetted passing tax laws which rewarded the wealthy for cutting benefits, not the Dems, and YOU applauded politics which used race and religious intolerance as tools to divide a nation.

    Oh, Pen. There is so much to go around on each count. You wanna year it?

    (I bet not).

  14. If America is to be great again, that division has to end.

    None of that pesky dissent!

    One people, one nation, one ideology!

    Rather than end it, though, you seem perfectly fine with blaming others rather than taking any for yourself and equally fine calling others names rather than finding common ground. Congratulations.

    Oh, I’m all for common ground. I’m just not giving up on what is objectively right.

    That seems to bother you (plural)

  15. As usual with Pen, it’s hard to sort out the arguments. He’s got a head full of broken wiring.
    “but obviously, when you MAKE insurers pay for pre-existing conditions”
    It’s not insurance, then.
    “YOU abetted the movement of jobs overseas, not the Dems.”
    Oh, Bill Clinton couldn’t those jobs overseas fast enough. The only thing he did with more enthusiasm was to sign the repeal of Glass-Steagal.
    It is the silicon valley dems who are importing H1B’s specifically to reduce upward pressure on tech worker pay.
    When you reach the level of hatred that Pen has for conservatives, well, where do you go? He is not interested in governing with conservatives, Pen wants to rule the nearly half of Americans who are conservatives. He wants to tell them what to do, and he will accept any means that it takes to get there. If Pen had his way, we would have a civil war.

  16. When I’m walking downtown and see a raggedy man having an angry argument with a mailbox, I don’t attempt to reason with him; instead, I sidle past, keeping a nervous eye on him. I’m not saying he’s wrong and the mailbox is right. I’m not engaging him at all. I just want to escape unscathed. Pen makes me feel that way, too.

  17. In 1999, on signing Gramm-Leach-Bliley into law, Clinton said, “This is a day we can celebrate as an American day” and that ” the Glass-Steagall law is no longer appropriate for the economy in which we live” and “today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down these antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority” and “This is a very good day for the United States.”

    http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bill_clinton_the_republicans_m.php

    I would bet not one in a hundred Democrats — including Penigma — know that Bill Clinton celebrated the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Lately Clinton has taken to saying that it was forced on him by the GOP congress.

  18. Democrats once again show their willingness to use government to screw over Americans to enrich themselves:

    At least nine senior officials at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau have left to join the private sector since the beginning of the year.

    The exodus began in January, when the regulator’s deputy director, Raj Date, announced his resignation, with more than 12 employees departing overall.

    Date helped set up the new bureau, a product of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, but left to begin his own bank consulting firm, which launched in April.

    Several CFPB staffers, including its chief of staff, Garry Reeder; Chris Haspel, the senior adviser for mortgage servicing; Mitchell Hochberg, its senior regulatory counsel and a researcher from the bureau’s Card Markets team, joined Date at his new firm, Fenway Summer.

    Meanwhile, three key policy advisers and regulators from the agency — Bart Shapiro, Len Kennedy and Benjamin Olson — went to telecommunications, law and lobby firms in the D.C. area.

    http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/305691-revolving-door-in-full-swing-at-new-consumer-bureau

    The CFPB was designed by democrats to operate without input from the people. It is funded by the treasury dept., not by congress. There is no way to control it, and it has a deep impact on everything from consumer loans to bank administration.
    The CFPB was formed by the democrat Frank-Dodd act. Its first head was Elizabeth Warren. Bernie ‘man of the people’ Sanders voted for it.
    Great going, Democrats!

  19. YOU abetted the movement of jobs overseas, not the Dems

    This one of Pen’s cracks me up. It is as if he’s completely unaware that exorbitant minimum wages, punitive tax rates, and punishing regulations do indeed induce companies to manufacture somewhere else.

    You’re so cute, Pen. Now open an economics textbook and read up on “supply and demand”, K?

    YOU abetted passing tax laws which rewarded the wealthy for cutting benefits, not the Dems

    Yeah, it’s not like the Democrats controlled Congress from 1954 to 1994, and thus had pretty much veto power on anything they didn’t like. Including the location of the lower bound on where companies had to start providing benefits, which was reaffirmed when the Democrat controlled Congress passed the Health Insurance Deform Act in 2010.

    Honestly, Pen, it’s nice to see that facts aren’t getting in your way or anything, but this is really no way to be an informed voter.

  20. “You abetted passing tax laws which rewarded the wealthy for cutting benefits.” Tell me, what tax law was passed that only rewarded the wealthy, and what benefits were cut? And I’m using the proper definition of “cut”, as in actually reducing the amount given rather than just reducing the increase.

  21. Pen;

    Just one question; were you looking in a mirror when you wrote that drivel?

    I just love how you left wing morons love to tout that “15 million more people have healthcare now than before Obama care” lie. That one has been soundly debunked even by left leaning think tanks and researchers. After the 10 plus million that were just signed on for Medicare, the rest of the numbers are dubious at best.

    You think that things might have turned out better if your vile, juvenile and dispicable heroes in the DemonRAT party hadn’t created it behind locked doors, with no GOP input, then failed to post it for 72 hours before the vote, like the Divider in Chief lied about doing during his campaign and then ramming it through in the middle of the night?

    Of course, being the deranged person that you are, I’m sure you see nothing wrong with it, yet would cry foul had the GOP done it.

    Is it fun being a morally bankrupt hypocrite?

  22. Wow, what the hell happened in here? There are shredded little pieces of some moonbat’s mangey pelt all over the place.

  23. Y’know, economics isn’t hard. A third year physics student at a small state college probably knows more math and solves more difficult problems than a tenured Princeton economics professor.
    Economics is the study of the rationing of scarce goods. This is literally the textbook definition of the word. A scarce good is simply a good where the supply cannot meet the demand. There is not enough healthcare available, for example, to give everyone all the healthcare that they want.
    Market based economies work on the so-called ‘supply side.’ Markets produce information about value. Firms use this information to provide the service and produce a profit which, in a perfect world, would equal cost (since any firm that produced the product at cost + economic profit would quickly be driven out of business). Consumption side economics works by changing the demand for scarce goods by command from an authority. A consumption side solution to the problem of scarce healthcare might be to make cosmetic surgery highly taxed (or illegal), so more healthcare resources could be made available for prenatal care or childhood vaccinations or whatever.
    The problem with consumption side economics is it distorts value. A bureaucrat or politician might value prenatal care more and cosmetic surgery less than actual healthcare consumers — measured by how much value they are willing to give in exchange for it. The bureaucrat might even be elected by people who endorse health care rationing by the state. The bureaucrat is just an office holder. He or she is just doing a job and may have no thoughts about the relative value of cosmetic surgery versus childhood vaccinations. Their job is political. They do the will of the people. But those people exchange something that they do not value very much — their vote — for something they value slightly more — their sentiments.

  24. Obamacare is a gigantic REGRESSIVE TAXATION SCHEME courtesy of the Democrat Party and it’s stupid useful idiots like Penigma.

    The bulk of it is built into higher premiums and higher (effectively unmanageable for most) deductibles, i.e. REGRESSIVE. Then there all all kinds of ticky tac ones like the medical device tax that are PASSED ON EITHER REGRESSIVELY OR MOSTLY REGRESSIVELY.

    Narrowed networks, same thing.

    Hospital consolidation is driving up THEIR negotiating power.

    Insurance company consolidation. More market power.

    All they had to do was ***free up the insurance market*** and subsidize a few right out of the U.S. Treasury. Easy.

    What a nightmare.

  25. Ten years of 2% GDP while we pile up government debt and all kids of unfunded liabilities.

    For the first time ever, we are destroying businesses faster than we are starting them.

    If the ten year treasury hits ***4%*** the government is broke. 80% 0f the budget is autopilot entitlements.

    Think about how the billiard balls bounce.

  26. Well I’m just glad Dog Gone didn’t comment on this post.

    Penigma has entirely filled the “stupid quota” for today.

  27. TheFedSucks hits on something interesting. We’ve added about eight-ten trillion bucks to the national debt in the past ten years, and that’s similar to the aggregate increase in GDP over that time. We’ve gotten bupkus for all that.

    Would be really nice if people would make the argument more often.

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