“Socialism Is The Market, Winston!”

The American people are turning on socialized healthcare.  Indeed, the push to socialize healthcare and use it as a vehicle to put the American people in eternal debt has done the impossible – brought the conservative movement from near-death back to national political viability and power, inside of a year.

Healthcare may or may not turn out to be the epic miscalculation that it was for Bill Clinton, when it sparked the conservative onslaught in 1994.  I’m gonna hold out for “may”, of course, and do my best to make it a “will”.

And we had a good sign in that direction yesterday; the Dems are P trying to snooker the American people (emphasis added by me):

In an appearance at a Florida senior center, the Democratic leader referred to the so-called public option as “the consumer option.” Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., appeared by Pelosi’s side and used the term “competitive option.”

Both suggested new terminology might get them past any lingering doubts among the public—or consumers or competitors.

“You’ll hear everyone say, ‘There’s got to be a better name for this,'” Pelosi said. “When people think of the public option, public is being misrepresented, that this is being paid for with their public dollars.”

Ah.

So our tax dollars – notwithstanding the longtime Democrat meme that everything we earn belongs to the government before it belongs to us – are not public, now?

Wow.  Maybe those “the income tax is unconstitutional” people have a point!

And since it’s my money, then Nan Pelosi and her hamsters in Washington should have no control over how I spend it, right?

60 thoughts on ““Socialism Is The Market, Winston!”

  1. Bill C:
    “Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security” are all entitlements, a public option would not be. Plus, none has ever lost a cent. In fact SSA is a major lender to the U.S. You should speak more kindly of one of your major creditors.

    USPS and Amtrak don’t make a profit, neither does the Fire Department. They are not meant to. They are public services. A public option would be required by law to break even or go out of business.

    The VA is also an entitlement and provides the best health care in America. If it does not make a profit that is because it’s customers already paid their fair share.

    “The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.”
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

    “despises it because it allows other people who are more capable than him to achieve more than him.” The essence of capitalism is the ability to choose a better product. The U.S. healthcare system charges me an extra $3000 a year for lower quality care. A public system, based on all the evidince in the world, would provide equal or better care at half the cost. But a deadweight minority of people like you, keep the rest of us trapped in the systems. The health insurance CEOs rolling around in the cash the stole from you are quite proud you are such an easy mark. Your keep the looters and moochers in business.

  2. “Maybe, Maybe not, but that does not have much to do with the public option or the need for healthcare reform.”

    Wrong, DickyDFL, the huge tax increases are meant to pay for ObamaNationCare and the innovation tax WILL stifle research and development. Trust me, I know the medical device industry. And, BTW, it is a big part of the MN economy.

    No one is saying “NO” to health care reform, so pull your head out of your @SS.

    .

    Go ahead, DickyDFL, keep digging.

  3. K-Rod:
    “the huge tax increases are meant to pay for ObamaNationCare” but as I have been saying they are not needed to pay for the public option which does not add to the cost of the bill. The CBO says that stronger versions on public option save money and reduce the need for any taxes. In fact since a strong public option saves $110 billion over ten years and the medical device tax only raises $4 billion a year, a strong public option would completely eliminate the need for the device tax.

    Frankly it is dissapointing that fiscal conservatives have not been pushing for more cost savings like a strong public option.

  4. “Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security” are all entitlements, a public option would not be. Plus, none has ever lost a cent.

    Whose cents are those, RatioRinkyDink? Do they grow on trees? Are these programs fully funded? Are you on crack?

    USPS and Amtrak don’t make a profit, neither does the Fire Department. They are not meant to. They are public services. A public option would be required by law to break even or go out of business.

    Why is USPS still in business then? After loosing money year after year? Where does the money come from to run it – cent fairy?

    This settles it – RatioRinkyDink is not of this world. Your comment so reeks of utter stupidity and ignorance it is beyond fisking! I’d give lend you a quarter to go buy a clue, but FedEx does not deliver to Uranus!

  5. JPA:
    “Whose cents are those,” Our taxes. That is why we pay them, to get things like Medicare and Social Security. Feel free to oppose them.

    “Are these programs fully funded?” That is a different question that whether they have lost money. The biggest problem with fully funding Medicare/Medicaid is the inability of private health insurance companies to provide health care in an efficient manner. That is why you pay more in taxes for health care than someone in France, Germany, or Canada.

    “Why is USPS still in business then?” Because it is a public good for anyone in the US to send a letter to anyone else at a single low rate (something UPS and FedEx can not do).
    “Where does the money come from to run it – cent fairy?” Taxes, that is why we pay them.

  6. RinkyDinkDFL might have a point about ObamaNationCare making like huge profits and totally like reducing our like debt if we like fully embrace the unicorn and pixiedust amendment!!!

    I guess what RinkyDinkDFL is saying is that the unicorns will pay for the ObamaNationCare with pixiedust.

  7. “Are these programs fully funded?” That is a different question that whether they have lost money.

    Money was there, now it is not, but it is not lost. I give up. You are stupid. How can else can anyone take that as anything but a rambling of a stupid person?

  8. JPA:
    “Money was there, now it is not, but it is not lost.” Sure it is called spending. Lots of public and private entities spend lots of money without losing money. When a public or private program spends more than it takes in that is called losing money. Being ‘fully funded’ means expecting sufficient future revenues to meet expected future liabilities.

    K-Rod:
    “the unicorns will pay for the ObamaNationCare with pixiedust.” Last I checked the CBO did not count pixiedust. But congratulations, if you don’t trust the CBO all those projected deficits dissappear, after all, they are just CBO projections.

  9. How does ObamaNationCare make a profit if there is no pixiedust? Where do the unicorns get the money?

    ….

    jpa, don’t give up on unicorns and pixiedust.

  10. jpa, don’t give up on unicorns and pixiedust.

    I got a back 40 and plan on raising me a herd of unicorns. As for pixiedust – will tooth fairy dust do? ‘Cause “I’m moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon!”

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