Shot in the Dark

Governor Messinger Dayton: “Eat The Poor!”

Governor Alida Messinger Mark Dayton, 2011:  “Rorra rammma hassa humper thunt”.  (Translation:  We’re only raising taxes on the top 1%)

Govenor Alida Messinger Mark Dayton, 2013:  “OK, poor people gotta pony up too!

The DFL’s current tax plan not only raises taxes on all Minnesotans across the board, but actually raises taxes on the poorest Minnesotans by more than the wealthiest.

2013 Minnesota Tax Bill Incidence Analysis by minnesoda238

Down below is the key table, showing net tax hikes by income “decile”:


That’s right – not only did taxes rise more for the bottom 20% than for the top 10%, but under the DFL plan taxes rose more for the bottom 10% than for Dayton’s friends, family and neighbors in the top 1%!

To add stupid insult to pointless injury – the report (prepared by Dayton’s employees) notes that the taxes on the lower deciles might drop because of “property tax relief”.  But that assumes that city and county governments will pass “their” local government aid raise on to taxpayers, rather than plowing it into more spending – an assumption that history shows is too stupid even to laugh at.

This is the change you hoped for, Working Minnesota?

Posted

in

,

by

Mitch Berg

Tags:

Comments

19 responses to “Governor Messinger Dayton: “Eat The Poor!””

  1. Dog Gone Avatar
    Dog Gone

    Yes actually.

    The reality is that right wing policies are far harsher on the lower income groups than liberal policies, consistently.

    And that other reality that you seem to neglect, so willfully, is that those right wing policies are economic disaster — look to the east, at WI, 44th in job creation, 49th in economic outlook:

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/fed-index-ranks-wisconsin-49th-in-economic-outlook-b9927135z1-210333771.html

    Minnesota, under Dayton’s leadership, ranks 12th in job creation, and is doing very well in terms of economic outlook and other metrics.

    Even if you discount the economic outlook, which I will admit has some points for valid criticism, looking at a wide range of other metrics, those right wing policies are bad for working people – which include the working poor:
    http://www.jsonline.com/business/american-workers-losing-ground-on-wages-b9914759z1-208979131.html
    with Wisconsin the fifth worst for eroding wages.

    So YES, despite your attempt to selectively spin these stats, by pretty much every fair metric, we are doing better under the Dems than those evil conservatives an their wealth extraction policies in states where those have been implemented.

    The facts are not your friends.

  2. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    We’ll see what happens in the long run. Wisc just went center-right very recently, Minnesota has chosen to go hard left very recently. Give it some time.

    Example. The northern Wisconsin iron mine. It would not occur under a Democrat rule. It probably will now that Walker is in office. This will create thousands of jobs and spinoff jobs. Including the construction of mining equipment in Milwaukee.

    Business decisions are made over several years. You don’t close down in operation and move elsewhere over the course of a few months.

  3. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    DG,

    When you end with something like “facts are not your friends”, it’s hard not to respond “since when?”, and “how would you know, since you never provide any?”

    More in a moment.

  4. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    DG,

    The reality is that right wing policies are far harsher on the lower income groups than liberal policies, consistently.

    Nonsense. The left’s policies keep the poor poor. The right allows people a way out. But then you’d have no idea about that.

  5. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Now, let’s move onto your first chanting point:

    And that other reality that you seem to neglect, so willfully,

    Wrong!

    I addressed this very factoid several weeks ago.

    is that those right wing policies are economic disaster — look to the east, at WI, 44th in job creation, 49th in economic outlook:

    According to a Journal-Sentinel piece that uses a frankly bizaarre Philly Fed report, one that takes short-term data – like, six months of information, stripped of any/all context – and comes up with a short term outlook…

    …that, even with all the qualifiers, beggars the imagination. The map shows Illinois surging, with North Dakota lagging?

    Leaving the bizarre conclusions out for the moment, the Philly Fed “study” at the very best is a quick snapshot of economic activity that – according to real economists – has very little to do with depicting actual long-term economic outlook.

    That the left – yourself included, DG – made such a big deal out of this “study” shows how very completely and tragically illiterate about economics they actually are.

  6. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    And DG? If you live by the sword, you die – rhetorically – by the sword:

    Minnesota, under Dayton’s leadership, ranks 12th in job creation, and is doing very well in terms of economic outlook and other metrics.

    Um, DG? Minnesota is still operating – for another month or so – under tax policies enacted by the grownups between 2002 and 2012.

    And perhaps you missed this (because the lefty echo chamber you get all your “facts” from didn’t cover it); Minnesota so far in 2013 has dropped to dead last in new business creation. It is, so far in 2013, literally the worst place in the US for entrepreneurship.

    THAT, you have to hang on the DFL, if you’re intellectually honest.

    Which you are – right, DG?

  7. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Finally:

    So YES, despite your attempt to selectively spin these stats

    As I have shown – not just here, but every single time you’ve decided to poke your nose in here – it’s you that picks and chooses. You’re badly served by the fact that your baseline seems to be America’s and Minnesota’s demented, innumerate lefty echo chamber.

    , by pretty much every fair metric, we are doing better under the Dems than those evil conservatives an their wealth extraction policies in states where those have been implemented.

    Please show us every metric forthwith. As usual, you will be proven not only wrong, but to be “selectively spinning” with all the grace of a German jazz band.

  8. Loren Avatar
    Loren

    Mitch, Please allow me to say: DG (aka Penigma’s Chihuahua) where the heck is your homework? The puppies ate it awhile ago, but surely you can have them regurgitate it along with the other talking points?

  9. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Also- what Chuck said. We’ve had a loonytunes majority in Minnesota for five months. Their policies haven’t even taken effect yet; their taxes go into effect over the next five weeks or so, some between now and spring. Wait til the Warehouse and Business Service taxes drive some more warehouses across the Red and Saint Croix. That is just starting now.

    Business are already making plans to fold up shop and leave. Those numbers haven’t hit the state’s bottom line yet, but they will.

    DG, did you catch my piece three weeks ago about my hometown, Jamestown ND, getting an tailing smelting plant? It’s literally cheaper to build a plant in ND and ship ROCK there than it is to permit and build it in MN right by the piles of rock.

    Give it another year or two. Especially after a few small towns wave goodbye to manufacturing plants and warehouses.

    DG, when it comes to economic fact, you need to read a lot more of my blog and a lot less of the feverswamp bobbleheads you’re reading now.

  10. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    To sum up, DG?

    The facts – as opposed innumerate biased dross from leftyblogs and the lefty echo chamber that seems to be your entire frame of reference – treat me just fine.

  11. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Slapping Mongrel Cur down with hard facts is like kicking a mongrel cur for eating turds…they don’t know what they’ve done wrong.

    Eating turds or spewing stupidity on the interwebs…just what curs do.

  12. Prince of Darkness_666 Avatar
    Prince of Darkness_666

    This still doesn’t explain how Governor Moonshine has a f****** 57% approval rating. Which leads me to another question, are people in this state that stupid or clueless? Oh and sorry about the absence the DDE has been running overtime, keeping up with these scandals and trying to prevent more from coming out has been a 24/7 job since the country decided to re-elect the most corrupt president we’ve ever had.

  13. jimf Avatar
    jimf

    Most are stupid And clueless.

  14. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    DG is obsessed with labeling her opinions facts, isn’t she?

  15. kinlaw Avatar
    kinlaw

    Jeez Mitch, I thought you banned dg.

    She is not interested in debate; throw the ban hammer dude!

  16. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    POD, when we see the steaming piles of crap that get left here by the elitist, economically illiterate Dog Breath, that fancies herself as a spokesperson for her party, is there any question as to what the answer to your question is? The only people that approve of Governor Jim Beam are the illegals, the GLBT community and unions, specifically, Tommy Doodoo’s legion of doom. It will take a couple more months for some of this idiocy to sink in, then, I believe that will (hopefully) wake them up with an economic smack upside their heads. I know some Minneapolis residents that are already starting to scream about the latest boondoggle from their city council; street cars!

  17. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    Say POD? Has the price of ice water in Hell come anywhere near the price of gasoline in Minnesota yet?

    Also, somehow, I’m sure that a lost soul can still find the comfort of a heater down there without having to part with an arm or a leg…is that so?

  18. Prince of Darkness_666 Avatar
    Prince of Darkness_666

    Nah Swiftee, we have price controls in hell. And to answer your second question yes you can, you just need to find another soul that is more lost. Typically we take lawyers as payment because the ones that are dead now were evil in life but still had souls. Now that Law Schools require souls as payment were going to be having a shortage down in 50-60 year

  19. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    POD: +1

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.