Texas starts counting their dead voters:
Linda Kay Hill, a homemaker and Louisiana native, died Aug. 2, 2006, of a heart attack, her husband recalled, and is buried at Houston Memorial Gardens in Pearland. But Harris County voter records indicate she –- or someone using her identity –- cast a ballot in the November election that year. Linda Hill of Woodwick Street voted in person on Election Day, records show.She is among the more than 4,000 people whose names are listed both on Harris County’s voter rolls and also in a federal database of death records, a Texas Watchdog analysis has found.
And dozens of those people, like Linda Hill, have apparently cast ballots from beyond the grave, records since 2004 show. One expert says the number of deceased names used to cast ballots may be higher than what Texas Watchdog’s analysis found.
Instances of dead voters’ names being used to cast ballots were most frequent in three elections, the November 2004 general election, the November 2006 general election and the March 2008 Democratic primary, the analysis found.
So on the one hand, you have Democrats whinging about electronic voting machines, and continuously yammering about the 2000 election which, by any rational measure, was crazy but legal – basically, trying to subvert confidence in the system…
…while they actively work to flood the system with counterfeit voters.
The findings come as the group ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has faced scrutiny in multiple states for allegedly improper voter registrations — including players for the Dallas Cowboys, not in the Lone Star State, but in Nevada. The group’s Nevada offices were raided by state officials earlier this week.
That’s as officials in at least six states may have improperly removed tens of thousands of voters from the rolls or prevented them from registering, the New York Times reported Wednesday.
I used the word “Counterfeit” advisedly:
“This is subverting the ballot,” said John Fund, a Wall Street Journal columnist and author of Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy. “Just like you counterfeit dollars, we take it seriously, if you counterfeit votes we should take it equally seriously, and we should punish people seriously for trying to subvert democracy.”
That law will never pass, of course; way too many people from one of those parties are actively profiting from that subversion.
Or so it’s starting to look.
The plan is obvious. Flood the ballot boxes with votes, legal or illegal, for your guy. If he wins, disputing the ballots will be a long process controlled by lawyers, not politics. If you’ve won, you can suppress the investigation. If you lose in spite of all your fraudulent ballots no one cares.
“The plan is obvious”
Really, explain how you would do it. How would you recruit the people? How many would you need? How would you keep it secret ahead of time?
“by any measure was crazy but legal”..
Really? So the ruling that the 14,000 voters illegally removed from voter roles was just a fiction?
The fact that 80% plus of those voters were black, that didn’t cause you any pause?
The fact that blacks in Florida voted 90% for Gore, that doesn’t bother you?
The fact that when Katherine Harris (Bush’s Campaign Chair in FL) Florida Sec State was advised of the potential problem, and yet proceeded, that doesn’t bother you?
It wasn’t about hanging chads, it was about the US Supreme Court, for the first time in our history, claimed ‘harm’ would result from counting votes, and was so callow in its decision it said its ruling was for that election only, and that we have pretty clear evidence that 14,000 people were improperly excluded from voting – take away the chads, the stories of intimidation at the poling facilities, those two facts alone show that election was anything but ‘legal’. It was a contrivance, just like you phumpering on this issue is.
We’ve had illegal actions at DOJ with bogus voter fraud investigations leading to the firings of US Attorneys who refused to play ball. Now, TA DA!, we have voter fraud investigations of ACORN. I’m SURE there is NO connection, nope.
Your yammering is incessant, and blatantly biased. You fail to acknowledge the undisputed evidence of election tampering in Florida, of extraordinary and unusual conduct by the courts, and of examples of situations where conservative Secrataries of States have been using their office to do intimidate and scare, from putting up bogus “Beware of Terrorists” signs at polling places (like Mary Kiffmeyer) to threats of prosecutorial action (like DOJ) to intimidate voter registration movements – and funny how those actions – from disputing voters registrations to denying them access – seem to consistently fall upon the poor.
Jim Crow meet Mitch Crow.
How would you recruit the people?
Pay at or below minimum wage. Just ask ACORN. They seem to be doing a wonderful job of registering the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys to vote in Nevada.
How many would you need?
Not that many if they can write fast. 220 “workers” submitted over 10,000 applications in Milwaukee last month and have done over 35,000 this year alone. The quota for workers is 20 per day.
How would you keep it secret ahead of time?
That’s easy: call it progressive voter empowerment.
So the ruling that the 14,000 voters illegally removed from voter roles was just a fiction?
Yep. Unless you provide some link to show what the bleep you’re talking about.
On the other hand, since you mention Florida, their voter roles are screwed up and have been for years. Heck, they have 30,000 felons who can’t vote still on the roles. And they Democrats by a 2:1 majority, of course. Just think, peeve, that’s 20,000 Democratic voters you could be scamming up now!
Nerdbert:
You could illegally register Napoleon’s Grand Armee and still not get a single extra ballot in the box. The question is how would you get people to vote illegally in very large numbers.
Mitch is racist… Mitch is racist!!!
So suggests Petulant Peev.
Again.
RickDFL, you could register that army and get every vote counted if you simply had a photocopy of each application and people willing to vote for someone else.
And if we want to debate Flori-duh all over again, does the liberal side REALLY want to debate what happened when a county controlled by the Democratic Party had voting irregularities on a massive scale? When the Democratic nominee’s campaign manager was named “Daley”? When the voting patterns were radically different than those of other counties in Florida?
Let’s be serious here; exactly how one blames the GOP for what happened in a Democratic enclave like Palm Beach County is a sterling exercise in liberal logic, such logic as Isaac Watts never conceived except as a hideously bad example of thinking’s perversion.
Bike Bubba states the obvious.
“and people willing to vote for someone else”
So again – How would you recruit the people? How many would you need? How would you keep it secret ahead of time?
Rick, if the election judges are all from the same party, ballots could easily be forged. So having extra names on the registered voter lists would make it easier.
How could you keep it secret? It isn’t always. The Democratic party and it’s candidates have been caught giving potential voters cigarettes or walking around money with instructions how to vote.
Also look for polling precincts in heavily Democratic districts to open late and be court ordered to close late. Precincts in St. Louis pulled this one off during the last Presidential election. Look for a State with a close Senatorial race ( maybe here) and this trick is likely to be played.
jpmn brings the stupid.
Your hypothesis is so dumb, it is hard to begin. a. the whole system is set up so that election judges are not all of the same party. b. you would have to arrange ahead of time to get your favored judges and none others all assigned to the same precinct. If you had that kind of corrupt control over the ballot process, why bother registering illegal voters?
Telling legal voters how to vote is not a secret, you have to get people to vote illegally and to do so so in secret.
RickDFL, ask anyone in the Daley family or, most likely, ACORN. This is why it’s a darned good idea to ask for ID when people vote. If people are willing to commit property crimes by spray painting and stealing yard signs, and if people are willing to throw their waste and Molotov cocktails in an effort to prevent peaceful assembly, why would we believe that there are no people who would not impersonate Tony Romo in Nevada in exchange for a few bottles of Boone’s Farm?
Again, most of the voting irregularities I’m seeing are coming with Democratic control of local governments. There are Daleys and ACORNS involved. Dead people are reported as having voted. Somebody’s trading a pack of cigarettes for a vote.
Bike Bubba:
“why would we believe that there are no people who would not impersonate Tony Romo in Nevada in exchange for a few bottles of Boone’s Farm”
You might find a few who would legally vote, but to impact an election you need large numbers willing to illegally vote and to keep it secret. Serious, how would you get 100 people willing to participate and keep it quiet. Now try 10,000.
“Dead people are reported as having voted.”
One dead person with a very common name. The most likely explanation is simple mistaken identity or clerical error.
RickDFL: Bullshit….and you know it. It’s just that your “side” will benefit from the fraud. Is there one single frickin’ thing the left can do that is not underhanded and scummy or, worse yet, ruinous (education)?
Colleen:
Even in your pathetic paranoid rage you can not make an effective point.
Just for the sake of argument, lets grant that everything the left can do is “underhanded and scummy or, worse yet, ruinous”. That still does not prove that they can find large numbers of people willing to vote illegally and keep the project secret.
Both sides refrain from supporting illegal voting, not because they are virtuous, but because it is impossible to gain any significant benefit from voter fraud without taking on far more serious risks.
RickDFL paraphrased:
“It can’t be happening. How could it happen? It is impossible. You are all dumb.”
It seems ACORN is chalking up some charges for “supporting illegal voting”, and someone is supporting them, RickDFL. Perhaps if we found a peer reviewed journal article on the subject we could change your mind. *snicker*
RickDFL: You could illegally register Napoleon’s Grand Armee and still not get a single extra ballot in the box. The question is how would you get people to vote illegally in very large numbers.
Rick, I bow to your brilliance! We could never have such a thing happen. There’s no way a corrupt scheme could exist to register nonexistent or illegal voters.
Oh wait, there’s this little matter of Chicago as an existence proof that such a thing can happen.
It’s simply a matter of getting enough absentee ballots, a few compliant transit folks, etc. Chicago’s been gaming Illinois politics for decades and getting away with it. Heck, Daley even delivered the Presidency to Kennedy with his machinations (pun intended).
Nerdbert:
“It’s simply a matter of getting enough absentee ballots, a few compliant transit folks, etc.”
Plus a fake drivers license or social security card. If you register without a valid one, you have to prove your identity to get a ballot. Once you are past that you need a maildrop. Some place to mail the ballots where you still can get access to your mailed ballot. Anyone who helps will be committing mail fraud. You could try to show up in person at the courthouse, but you could not repeat the process over and over without getting recognized. How would you recruit the thousands of people you need? Post flyers? Citypages?
Of course, your transient, being transient, is likely to get arrested for something sooner or later and rat you out to get out of trouble.
Instead for the same effort and no risk, you could just campaign harder to register and turnout legal voters.
Plus a fake drivers license or social security card.
Dude, have you registered in MN? You don’t need that, it’s racist! Don’t you know your DFL talking points? When my wife registered all it took was walking up to the voting booth on election day and me vouching for her. That’s it. Nothing else. I didn’t even have to show ID to get her registered!
It’s not that hard to get folks to do it. ACORN managed to do it in OH. The problem is getting folks to pay attention and actually crosscheck votes, addresses, etc.
Instead for the same effort and no risk, you could just campaign harder to register and turnout legal voters.
If that’s the case, then why is illegal voting endemic in Chicago, Philly, Pittsburgh, and other Democratic strongholds? No, it’s easier and more sure to actually control the voting.
nerdbert:
“You don’t need that”
You do to register ahead of time, which is what we were talking about. Abusing the vouching process would be even more difficult, since it immediately draws attention and leaves an extensive paper trail.
Mr. Nash is Ohio clearly was acting independently and not part of an organized plan.
“then why is illegal voting endemic” It is not. There is almost no evidence of an illegal vote cast and counted in the U.S.A.
RickDFL is clearly so obstinate in his belief that voter fraud is impossibly that mere evidence will not persuade him. As usual.