15 thoughts on “Mysterious Ways

  1. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns.

    Strange how often that happens, although to be honest bad guys with guns stop bad guys with guns, too. In either case, though, bad guys with guns get stopped. It’s just not flying unicorns of Gaia that stop them like liberals believe.

  2. I was just there over New Year’s, boss. Just south of Soldier’s Field and surrounded by McCormick Place. Not one of the worse areas of the city, to put it mildly. (you can see the projects, but they’re separated from Lake Shore Drive by about 16 sets of railroad tracks)

    Could be random, or could be a sign that Chicago’s war zone is spreading into the areas Chicago needs for tourism. Heckuva job, Rahmie.

  3. Hoss, if it was just another shooting in Chiacgo, nobody would notice. After all, it is already 43rd of this year. But, this one was on Lake Shore Drive and I55. This is not ghetto, this is Downtown. This is close to Grant Park, next to Magnificent mile. Let’s see if this makes any difference. Ahh, who am I kidding…

  4. I think your spin is incorrect.

    There is nothing about this school resource officer being armed that appears to have been involved in resolving this incident; there is nothing unique about it being a school resource officer involved in resolving this incident, which ended up with relatively minor injuries to the victim, compared to some shootings.

    We just recently had an unarmed teacher accomplish the same thing in California, disproving the need for armed guards — and there was an armed guard available at that school as well. What the two incidents prove is that it doesn’t take an armed person to resolve these incidents, because being armed did not particularly figure into the outcome in either case.

    What does appear to have driven this story off of the news cycle attention is not that the NRA is right – they aren’t – but rather that the crazy, angry old guy in Alabama who is a paranoid survivalist / anti-government nut shot a bus driver, kidnapped a child, and is holding him in a bunker while law enforcement tries to talk him out without him killing anyone else.

    That makes a lot more sense as a current topic, because it appears to be ongoing, to something resolved continuing at the center of attention.

    But that doesn’t play into your conspiracy theories, like those the nut in the bunker holding the kid hostage appears to have. Fortunately you haven’t gone that extreme.

    One of the best analogies I’ve heard so far is that an armed guard is like a fire extinguisher; if they aren’t where you need them, they are useless. I don’t think anyone wants as many armed guards in schools as we have fire extinguishers.

    Referring to an earlier topic on your blog, I see the Anti-Defmation League came out with a request specifically directed at conservatives, asking that they stop misrepresenting that gun control had any part in the occurrence of the Holocaust, and that such a misrepresentation is insulting to the people who died and to the survivors and their friends and family.. That appears to be a position shared by some of the pro-gun / anti-gun control groups as well.

    I wrote about it this morning, along with mentioning that Kristallnacht was the reaction to a Jewish teen, Hirschel Grunespan, shooting a Nazi officer in the stomach 5 times with a revolver. Funny how he is known as the “forgotten assassin” by WW II Holocaust scholars…

  5. Seeing ‘bosshoss’ write:“Good thing the Kenyan Klown is coming here to talk gun control in front of his drooling, sycophantic useful idiots! I was struck by the birtherism in it, the attitudes.

    No amount of outreach will overcome the reaction of people of color, or their families and friends and colleagues towards a party or segments of a party that hold these attitudes, assumptions and beliefs. So long as people on the right speak and write and act consistent with that kind of an opinion, conservatives will continue to lose elections, and continue to be regarded as bigots and racists by the center and the left, and most especially by all people of color or any ethnicity that is not the palest of white, and mostly male.

    Next time you wonder why Obama got the Hispanic vote, the majority of the female vote, the African American Vote and the Asian vote, the answer is this. No one is going to trust conservatives because of this kind of expression for a long, long time. And the result of that will be lost elections by increasingly larger and larger margins.

    And that no one else sees anything wrong with it, that is why they will distrust the rest of your party, because of what you tolerate, welcome and/or encourage. It is not just here, it is endemic across the right wing media, not just the blogosphere. You are so used to it, that you can’t fathom there is a problem.

    There is, and it is big, and growing, and it goes deep.

    It’s not your messaging that is wrong, it is your policies that are failing. The core problem is that this is who you are; that is the largest failure on the right.

  6. A resource officer is a policeman assigned to patrol the school. The NRA recommended policemen in school.

    The resource officer carries a gun. The NRA recommended armed cops.

    The resource officer didn’t need to shoot his gun THIS TIME, just as cops everywhere generally arrest people without shooting their guns. That doesn’t mean cops don’t need guns ever.

  7. From the ADL’s website:
    “According to ADL, the small number of personal firearms in the hands of the small number of Germany’s Jews (about 214,000) remaining in Germany in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state. When they had weapons, Jews could symbolically resist, as they did in the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and elsewhere, but could not stop the Nazi genocide machine. Gun control did not cause the Holocaust; Nazism and anti-Semitism did.”

    So, we have here the utter non-sequitur that gun control did not cause the holocaust, and the question begging/counterfactual that 214,000 armed people could not have mounted an effective defense in the runup to to the Nazi’s seizure of power.

    Oh, and I’ll take “symbolic resistance” over being herded like a steer onto the boxcars anytime. Whoever “they” are, if they want you badly enough, they’ll get you. That’s no reason not to take a few of them with you.

  8. Dog gone argues against guns, in favor of passive security, like metal detectors, which this kid blew right past.

    But for the police man assigned to the school, the failure of dog gone preferred solution would have ended in another maas shooting.

  9. Hey, DG,

    Did you catch the result of the Clackamas Mall mass shooting? Gunman fires sixty rounds, killing two – and then is confronted by a guy with a carry permit and a handgun. His fantasy interrupted, he retreats into a store and kills himself, saving perhaps dozens.

    I don’t recall you responding to the 11 incidences of armed citizens ending mass shootings that I posted after you claimed that there had been no such examples.

    Care to modify your approach?

    BTW – still waiting for all those reasons Cornish’s bill, passed by a bipartisan majority – was “crap legislation”.

    My suspicion is that whomever you get your chanting points from stopped talking about it, so you’ve got no opinion anymore.

  10. Wait…*blink* *blink*…did that infanticide loving mongrel really just make excuses for Nazi pogroms to make a point against our constitutional bill of rights?

    Kristallnacht was the reaction to a Jewish teen, Hirschel Grunespan, shooting a Nazi officer in the stomach 5 times with a revolver. Funny how he is known as the “forgotten assassin” by WW II Holocaust scholars…

    I’ll be damned…it sure did.

  11. Dog gone says:
    /It’s not your messaging that is wrong, it is your policies that are failing. The core problem is that this is who you are; that is the largest failure on the right./

    I’m not saying the Republicans aren’t delusional. I just don’t see any evidence that the Democrats are less so.

  12. Swiftee;

    I do believe you’re correct. According to our self appointed fact checker Kristallnacht was the fault of the Jews and it is certain that their subsequent subversive behaviors made the “Final Solution” necessary.
    DG is this your assertion?

  13. “One of the best analogies I’ve heard so far is that an armed guard is like a fire extinguisher; if they aren’t where you need them, they are useless.”

    Same can be said about cops! Hey DG…..PFFT!!!!!

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