Let Me See If I Have This Straight
By Mitch Berg
According to Juan Cole, phone calls from known terrorist operatives overseas to American phone numbers are sacrosanct.
But if you’re an uppity Republican woman?
By now you have heard that Palin’s email account at yahoo has been hacked by those lovable scamps at 4chan. Two quick things:
1.) This merely reinforces how reckless and careless this woman is, and how reckless and careless this choice is. John McCain chose a woman so stupid she runs government business through yahoo.
It’s all whose privacy is being violated.
Juan Cole has re-passed Cenk Uighur as the most loathsomely useless liberal in the business. Again.
UPDATE: Oh, wait – he the “loveable scamps” bit was all sarcasm, and he’d never approve of hacking peoples’ email.
Not sure where there was anything about that above the correction, but hey,a correction is a correction.
OK, Cole. Uighur passed you again.
For now.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:51 am
I guess you DO read Cole.. the man you slanderously labelled anti-semitic without proof and said you’d rather wipe your ass with his screed than read it..
Candidly Mitch, based on past posts from you (see below) if this was Obama who’d been hacked, you’d have called them lovable scamps too, and almost certainly you’d not have retracted a darned thing.
If Cole honestly thinks stealing people’s private e-mails is ‘fraternity stuff’, like you think of the Abu Ghraib ‘antics’ (or if not, you’ve certainly NEVER repudiated Limbaugh for the comment) – then Cole is as wrong as Limbaugh – though this misconduct will never come close to being as damaging as the conduct at Abu Ghraib.
As far as Palin goes, he probable misuse of private e-mail systems for public business – and skirting of the law regarding retention of public business communications – is yet another nail in what should be her coffin. But, you repugnicants are, as you always do, attempting to whitewash abuse of power (trooper gate), obfuscate the investigation like you did into DOJ (and Ghraib, and FISA, and Gitmo, and on and on), and now, I’m sorry, what was that about endorsing unethical conduct again, I can’t hear it above the cacauphony of your own hypocrisy. You complain about Cole making light of stealing e-mails as an apparent dodge against the reality that your party is actively working to cover the mess of a history that Sarah Palin brings to her candidacy, including, tada, apparent allegations of TAMPERING (kinda like stealin e-mails) – which the McCain campaign is now stone-walling and refusing to comply with subpoenas.. will wonders never cease – kinda like the Bush Administration’s refusal to comply with DOJ subpoenas, huh? Yep, THAT was ethical, THAT was legal – well, no, of course it wasn’t.
Where is your complaint about Palin’s conduct – it’s somewhat more meaningful than the conduct of someone who’s writing you wouldn’t wipe your ass with.
OK Berg, you’ve passed yourself again.
September 18th, 2008 at 8:56 am
To paraphrase professor Instapundit from Rocky Top U…
They told me when George W. Bush was elected, Digital Brownshirts would snoop through people’s personal information and they were right!
I’m in NYC and the news here last night was doing street interviews on Manhattan Planet regarding this subject . Half were shocked that her personal privacy had been violated (obviously bridge and tunnel types) and half blamed Gov Sarah for having a web-based e-mail account or that her account/password was so easy to hack or she should expect NO privacy. Gawd, I love Liberals and their situational ethical standards. When members of Chuckie Shumer’s staff ran a phishing operation against Michael Steele, few saw it as an outrage, it was just politics as usual, yadda, yadda, yadda. When journalists try to report the links between Bill Ayres and The One, they get the jackboot from The One’s Youthcorps and the Youthcorps shuts down WGN, probably the most milquetoast station in the country. When The One gets into office expect more of this Digital Brownshirt stuff. Poor Mitchy, he’ll soon have to spin nothing but Bawbra Streisand and Rage Against the Machine records (or push buttons to pay MP3’s) on Saturday afternoons at glorious ex-patriot radio station after January 2009.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:11 am
I guess you DO read Cole.. the man you slanderously labelled anti-semitic without proof
Nothing slanderous about it, and his writings are proof.
and said you’d rather wipe your ass with his screed than read it..
Still true. I followed a link from someone else.
Candidly Mitch, based on past posts from you (see below) if this was Obama who’d been hacked, you’d have called them lovable scamps too, and almost certainly you’d not have retracted a darned thing.
Nope.
If Cole honestly thinks stealing people’s private e-mails is ‘fraternity stuff’, like you think of the Abu Ghraib ‘antics’ (or if not, you’ve certainly NEVER repudiated Limbaugh for the comment)
I’ve never “repudiated” someone for saying something you disagree with, so you assume I believe everything that YOU assume the other person believes?
Do you realize how utterly, corrosively stupid that is?
September 18th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Balloon Juice is John Cole; Juan Cole is a different idiot. (Granted, I’ve never seen them at the same place at the same time, but I’ve never seen Mitch and Chuck Schumer at the same place, same time, and I’m sure they’re too different people, too.)
In reading the summary over at Michelle Malkin’s, there’s some good news in this remarkably creepy, clearly unlawful behavior: the moron or moron didn’t find anything embarrassing (he says; I’m not going to pry through the Governor’s published private emails to check his work), and he apparently was so clumsy that the Feds will be able to roll him up as soon as they want to. And do note that if Malkin’s correspondent was right, he was shut down by one of the loose wheel crowd over there, who apparently, “…. logged in, changed the password [the one that the hacker had put in; this locked the hacker and everybody else out. JR], and sent an email to a friend of Palin’s warning her and letting her know the new password.” As the link shows, the “white knight” made a few mistakes, but (if the story is correct), it shows that there’s at least one guy with a conscience even among that stupid crowd; he or she was obviously trying to do the right thing.
see http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/
September 18th, 2008 at 9:19 am
And how does Big Media report the story? That Governor Palin was conducting state business on a private email account. Yep. PDS is in high gear again.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Don Preciado says:
Yep, THAT was ethical, THAT was legal – well, no, of course it wasn’t.
this is his Professional Opinion as a Lawyer who has passed the bar and is certified (by the U.N. perhaps?) to practice in this area of the law (otherwise, of course, he would be committing legal malpractice).
September 18th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Ooh, Peev wrote “repugnicants.” How CLEVER. Let me try: Democraps. Libtards. Too easy.
Come now, Peev. If you’re going to limit yourself to one strafing comment run over Mitch’s blog a day, you could at LEAST try a bit harder.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:12 am
It’s going to go very badly for the people who hacked her account, Peev. You don’t want to be defending this. Seriously. The Secret Service is on the case and there will be hell to pay. I would bet that 4chan, Gawker, WikiLeads and everyone else involved in this will be facing federal charges. And if there’s any connection at all to anyone involved with the Obama campaign, it is game over.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I’m sure peev just did another hit and run, but I would really like him to explain why he thinks that trooper should keep his job. I would also like him to explain why the person in charge of the state doesn’t have the authority to demand the person overseeing the trooper to fire him. Not even the trooper denies tasing his step-son. What does peev think the correct thing to do to a trooper who continues to make terrorist threats against the family of the gov of his state? (or anyone else for that matter)
Moving on to the hacking of the email, it appears he justifies it by saying the gov uses a private account to conduct state business even though the hacker himself admits he found nothing in the email account that substantiates it? What kind of idiot logic is that? I agree with nothing that comes out of Jimmy Carters mouth and I would be outraged if someone hacked his personal email and posted it for the world to see. Takes a special kind of bastard to justify this sort of thing.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Takes a special kind of bastard to justify this sort of thing.
Peev: a special kind of bastard.
Man, that would make a GREAT tee-shirt, even though no one would really know what it means.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Takes a special kind of bastard to justify this sort of thing.
Good thing he’s up to the task, eh?
September 18th, 2008 at 10:34 am
over-achiever if you ask me. I like the t-shirt idea though.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Man, that would make a GREAT tee-shirt, even though no one would really know what it means.
I’m thinking ABC Afterschool Special myself, or a Very Special Episode of “Blossom,” with Joey Lawrence playing Peev.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Chuck: Yup.
That said, there’s definitely some PDS going on, but there’s also a legit issue. State employees are not supposed to use state email for private purposes; they’re also not supposed to use private email to get around disclosure/preservation issues around official business.
People being people, and many state employees having both official and private relationships with the same people, there’s going to be some
a: hard calls
b: legitimate overlap
c: laziness and mistakes, and, certainly in some cases
d: deliberate deception.
(I’m not pointing fingers at Sarah Palin on d: ; I am saying, and confident that I’m right, that some people will use private email in an effort to avoid putting stuff on the record that should be on the record.
(As to how this sort of thing should be sorted out, generally: I dunno. I really liked the idea of an independent commission to sort through the specifics of the Governor’s situation, but at least one side — and I’m not at all confident it’s just one — screwed that up.)
The key point in this appears to be, (again, from Michele Malkin’s site, quoting the supposed perp):
The lawyer’s call that “an admission contrary to interest.” And it’s distressing (although not surprising) how little that’s been reported.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:41 am
nothing that would derail her campaign as I had hoped
So much for the innocent prankster meme. God help Obama if anyone on his team is involved in any way.
September 18th, 2008 at 10:46 am
I say we call it “Email gate”. Really, what did Obama know and when did he know it. How many front page articles in the NYT and Washington Post on this scandel? Can BHO prove that he had no knowledge of this? How deep is the coverup? Can the Obama campaign survive?
The above is not serious of course. It’s extremely unlikely anyone involved with the Obama campaign did this (unless it’s a low level volunteer). But if it was a Democrat email that was spied on…….
September 18th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
“That said, there’s definitely some PDS going on, but there’s also a legit issue. State employees are not supposed to use state email for private purposes; they’re also not supposed to use private email to get around disclosure/preservation issues around official business. ”
And from what I read, the folks who logged into her account didn’t find any such emails. I’ll bet it wasn’t from a lack of trying.
September 18th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
According to Juan Cole, phone calls from known terrorist operatives overseas to American phone numbers are sacrosanct.
Your premise, of course is flawed. This hacking had nothing to do with the government spying on its citizens. But you know that.
Of course, when they catch these folks, (and they will, if the reports are accurate) they should be flogged. The last thing we need is e-mail getting hacked. I like my e-mail account.
September 18th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Come now, Peev. If you’re going to limit yourself to one strafing comment run over Mitch’s blog a day, you could at LEAST try a bit harder.
Peev needs to save his “A” material for his dozen(s?) of readers.
September 18th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
“Your premise, of course is flawed. This hacking had nothing to do with the government spying on its citizens. But you know that.”
You might want to re-read the post.
Hacking per Cole- As long as it is a Republican VP its ok, because it shows how reckless and careless she is for using a internet email service. Much like everyone else. Even some Democratic governors I would bet. Its particularly ok in this case because she uses it for government business. We know this because that was the reason she was hacked and the proof is in the postings of personal emails and pictures. Oh wait…..LOOK! Shiny object!!
Phone calls from terrorists overseas-Cole. NO! Government is violating the terrorist civil rights! Get the lawyers! Bushhitler!!
See the ironic twist between the two positions now?
September 18th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Kermit… have you SEEN Peev’s so-called “A” material???
😆
September 18th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Hey Peev, you gutless weasel. Have you resorted to hit and run tactics now?? Since the third time you were banned from this blog, you’ve constantly come to this comment section and made baseless assertions. From there, Mitch rhetorically guts you like a fish and then we don’t see you in that thread again. At least have the stones to defend what you say because you end up looking like a sniveling weasel.
September 18th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Malkin has posted an email from a reader who claims to have more info & a timeline of the hack: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/
Seems like the hacker was consumed by equal parts of anger, cowardice, and just-enough-know-how-to-get-in-trouble.
I looked into bchan and the /b/tards last year when they got into a cyber war with the furrys (don’t ask, don’t google. You don’t want to know about furrys). It’s just lols until you go to prison.
September 20th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Buzz – Yep – In one case, the government is violating someone’s rights. In the other, a private citizen is breaking the law. Both are illegal. Some might say one is more egregious than the other.
Yes, I see where it seems ironic, but you’re comparing apples and baseballs.
September 21st, 2008 at 2:55 pm
One more time: Juan Cole John Cole.