Faith in Faith

By Mitch Berg

Background follows.

Back in college, two of my professors, a husband and wife team that taught Math and English, respectively, went through a flash of tragic fame. The Swans had been Christian Scientists, and as their son fell ill with meningitis.

They followed their faith – and the boy died. The Swans left the church (although they apparently kept their faith in a broader sense), and have spent a few decades lobbying to change state laws that protect parents whose religious practices lead to their childrens’ deaths. It’s an issue fraught with emotion on both sides…

…and one I stay happily out of. I’m a Christian who sees no rational reason to find conflict between an allegorical reading of the Old Testament and science. There is no battle between “creationism”/intelligent design and evolution. It’s pretty simple.

And I regard zealots on both sides – the snake-handlers along with the fevered, bigoted caricatures that Big Atheism sends forth to do battle in the media – with suspicion and a little bit of sorrow.

Fast forward to today, and the dumbest post that’s ever appeared on Anti-Strib that wasn’t written by Ed Salden. It’s written by a fellow named Jeff, who must have gotten video of Tracy Eberly doing something really awful to get included in the Anti-Strib stable of writers in the first place.

Of course, part of the problem becomes clear at the conclusion:

(via Pharyngula.)

P.Z. Meiers is to religion as David Duke is to black people.

Onward to be beginning:

Just when you think that prayer can’t do any harm:

“Even as her 11-year-old daughter lay dying on a mattress on the floor of the family dining room on Easter Sunday, Leilani Neumann never wavered in her belief in the power of prayer.
“We just thought it was a spiritual attack and we prayed for her,” Neumann said, according to a police report. “My husband, Dale, was crying and mentioned taking Kara to the doctor, and I said the Lord’s going to heal her and we continued to pray.”

Prayer didn’t save Madeline Kara Neumann, who died of untreated diabetes March 23.”

No, it didn’t.

Neither, “John’s” claims notwithstanding, did it “do harm”. A couple of parents with a view of God and faith that is, to say the least, on the far fringe of orthodoxy, did.

So what’s my point? I’ve often accused faith of having no accountability, and this is exactly what I mean.

Well, good for you!

Except that for people of faith, accountability is a constant thing. Yes, accountability to God is a pretty powerful force, and if people see that accountability differently than you do (see also: female circumcision, suttee, substituting prayer for medicine, faith-healing, whatever) it can seem anything from “weird” to “barbaric” to “just plain wrong”.

And that accountability is why Christians devote 25% more – of their own free will, rather than via government coercion – to charity than do secularists, and are more likely to vote and volunteer for civic causes than atheists.

At any rate, “Jeff” seems to have missed (or never really understood) the Christian injunction to “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”. Understandable, perhaps – liberals think means nothing more than “be happy to pay for a better Galilee Minnesota“. It actually means that Christians need to recognize civil authority (although the Protestant Reformation added the rather important bit about “evil governments are bad”). So there’s nothing “unnaccountable about faith”; there are merely people of faith who, through over-narrow interpretation or over-broad religious hubris, make the wrong choices.

And this wrong choice, like the Swans’ a couple decades back, ended in tragedy. Life happens. You live and – like the Swans – you learn, or at least, like the couple from Wisconsin, get some nasty consequences.

I might add that science – which is often delegated to merely another religion around these parts

That’s right, “Jeff”, which is why we have the North Memorial Snake Handling Auditorium, Regions Prayer Center, and the University of Minnesota Faith Healing Center, and why you can’t find a doctor on any regional golf courses.

Bad choices – whether driven by a fringe-y view of faith or its mirror image, the belief that ones’ self is the only intelligence that really matters – are the problem.

That, and Tracy Eberly’s lax HR standards, apparently.

13 Responses to “Faith in Faith”

  1. kel Says:

    who must have gotten video of Tracy Eberly doing something really awful

    maybe its his idea of performing self imposed community service after the “Dirt worshiping heathens” incident

  2. Kermit Says:

    When Jeff said “around these parts”, I’m pretty sure he was referring to Anti-Strib, but I won’t pretend to speak for him.
    Jeff is a scientist, and anything he can’t measure doesn’t exist in his world.

  3. Badda Says:

    I think Tracy’s mistakes speak for themselves. Jeff’s proven that. 😉

  4. angryclown Says:

    Angryclown is moved to quote Scripture:

    “Well Abe says, “Where do you want this killin’ done?”
    God says, “Out on Highway 61.”

    Zimmerman 19:65

  5. Troy Says:

    They blinded Jeff…with science!

  6. Master of None Says:

    Zimmerman 19:65

    Damn, another Minnesotan stolen by NYC.

  7. swiftee Says:

    “Jeff is a scientist..”

    Yeah, that’s what some people say about PZ Meyers.

    http://restraininorder.blogspot.com/2006/09/for-my-next-trick-ill-set-fire-to.html

  8. Kermit Says:

    That’s OK, MoN. They’re trying to give Al Franken back. The Boy’s and Girl’s clubs can’t afford him any more.

  9. RickDFL Says:

    Mitch wrote:
    “You live and – like the Swans – you learn, or at least, like the couple from Wisconsin, get some nasty consequences”

    Actually the nastiest consequences were suffered not by the parents but by their children who neither lived nor learned.

  10. nate Says:

    RickDFL is right – no child deserves to live in poverty, or die through bad parenting.

    The kid should have been aborted, to save her from a horrible death.

    .

  11. Tracy E Says:

    First, Jeff was invited by me. Any videos of me doing somehting really awful are sold in ebay for $29.95.

    Secondly, Jeff’s point is valid. Too many have used religion to excuse for stupidity and malice. I suggested that maybe a social worker should have checked in regularly on the kids at the FDLS compound and too many zealots defended the rapists “freedom of religion” over the childrens right not to be abused.

    I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for morons that sacrifice their own children at the altar of religious zealotry. These people should serve very, very long jail sentences at the very least and probably be prohibitted from every breeding again as an insurance agains spreading their incredibly shalow gene pools.

    The faith in the power of prayer is directly responsible for the death of those kids in WI. Every time you put prayer over science, you give aid and comfort to the morons that kill for Christ. Prayer has no power beyond yourself. If you want to pray instead of seek a cure for yourself, that is your choice. Suicide is a personal choice.

    Finally, we all know that my journalistic standards were forever lost when I added Kermit to the Crue.

  12. RickDFL Says:

    “Christians devote 25% more – of their own free will, rather than via government coercion – to charity”

    Are we counting donations to Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swaggart, and Robert Tilton? If so, is that a good thing?

  13. Mitch Berg Says:

    Too many have used religion to excuse for stupidity and malice.

    Perhaps, but that’s different than saying “science 1 prayer 0” – which is akin to saying “can opener 1, desire for better fruit cocktail 0”.

    The faith in the power of prayer is directly responsible for the death of those kids in WI.

    Prayer doesn’t kill people. People do.

    Every time you put prayer over science, you give aid and comfort to the morons that kill for Christ.

    Maybe, but it’s a strawman – and giveen the post your wrote a while ago, I think you know that.

    Prayer has no power beyond yourself.

    I believe that that is not necessarily true.

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