Tradition…Tradition!

The part about the GOP victory in NY09 on Tuesday that the mainstream media are carefully skirting – many  more socially-conservative Jews oppose gay marriage:.

Voters interviewed Wednesday pointed to their opposition to same-sex marriage and Turner’s pro-Israel politics as factors that swayed them to pick a Republican. It was the first time in nearly a century that the GOP has won the Ninth Congressional District, which includes parts of Brooklyn and Queens.

Research and polling on gay marriage at the polls varies widely – some say voters oppose it, others differ – everyplace but one; the actual polls.

So far, anyway.

12 thoughts on “Tradition…Tradition!

  1. Only tangentially related to the war on culture, but given our host Mitch’s frequent mention of her, I thought I might relate that Ms.Scarlett Johansson really should not leave nekkid pictures of herself on her cell phone. At least if she wants to keep them private, she shouldn’t.

    At any rate, I believe that the pictures themselves probably warrant more investigation than those of Mr. Weiner’s “hack”. Anybody here feel sorry for the FBI agents who have to investigate Ms Johansson’s complaint?

  2. It seems much of the problem wasn’t so much that the NY state legislature voted to change the definition of marriage, but it is how they did it. Not allowing opposition to speak. No public input. Basically a middle-of-the-night vote thing.

  3. ““How can he call himself an Orthodox Jew and vote for gay marriage?” Zlotnick said. “If not for that, I probably would have voted for him.””

    Exactly.

    One of the reasons I recently resigned from the DFL and the national Democrats is the “same sex marriage” issue. It is a repudiation of the core of Jewish family tradition, one that has kept the Jews alive through expulsions, massacres, pogroms and attempted genocide – for 5,771 years.

    When the GBLTs start screaming “bigot”, I will remind them they are anti-Semites for their repudiation of Jewish family tradition.

  4. “How can he call himself an Orthodox Jew and vote for gay marriage?” Zlotnick said. “If not for that, I probably would have voted for him.”
    Explicitly stating that his Rep. should use his parochial religious beliefs to decide how to vote on a law for all citizens, Jews and non Jews alike. Nice.
    Maybe next Orthodox Jews should vote to ban cheeseburgers & lighting fires on the Jewish Sabbath.
    We have separation of Church and State in this country. Imagine if Keith Ellison tried to ban, statewide, the serving of non-halal food.

  5. Or my Christian beliefs that say murder, rape and stealing are wrong. Are you saying I have to vote to legalize those crimes to keep the separation of church and state intact?

  6. I would say, Chuck, that as a citizen you can vote for anyone and anything you like for any reason you like.
    Representatives are supposed to represent a constituency. The office they hold is public, and is not religious in nature.
    If a public office holder says the laws of the state should reflect his religious views, politics devolves into an argument about which religion is right, rather than what public policy should be.
    Not to get too deep in the theological high grass, but I believe (as do many or most Christians), that natural law and the relationships between men reflect God’s laws, as revealed in the monotheist religions. The Attic Greeks had no problem with homosexual relations between men, but they would never have recognized same-sex “marriages”. In the public Square, the argument against gay marriage should be made from conservative principles, not explicitly religious principles.

  7. Representatives are supposed to represent a constituency. The office they hold is public, and is not religious in nature.

    And so constituency voted, and so they will be represented. Are you proposing a religiousity test for every vote cast? You are not advocating separation of church and state – you are advocating mind police!

  8. To me this vote represents a repudiation of “conventional” wisdom perpetuated by MSM-DFL that you cannot run on social values to win elections.

  9. We have separation of Church and State in this country. Imagine if Keith Ellison tried to ban, statewide, the serving of non-halal food.

    Pufff! There goes another strawman up in flames. KeithHezbollahEllison has no authority to do ANYTHING in this state, other than collect a tax payer funded paycheck and breathe (and waste) our MN oxygen. However, there is nothing, NOTHING stopping MN legislature from passing such a law if it is introduced into the house, approved by both chambers and signed by the Governor.

  10. Terry asserted: “We have separation of Church and State in this country.”

    Our civil society is based upon a Jewish and Christian moral hybrid – not upon Critical Gender Theory or a the pronouncements from the Women’s Studies Departments at the U of M. There is no “right” of “same sex marriage”. Never was.

    There is no explicit mention of a “separation of church and state”. That’s an descriptive phrase about Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, describing how government will not interfere with matters of religion.

    There is a prohibition against Congress establishing a national religion. There is a prohibition against Minnesota requiring a citizen to support a specific religious institution. There is a prohibition against Minnesota interfering with the rights of conscience of a citizen.

    “Same sex marriage” has no place in Judaism. I had this argument before when I was a Delegate in the DFL, and I crushed the opposing argument with my sources – Torah, halakha, and the writings of the scholars.

    As I watched the protests outside the Mormon churches in California and read about the church invasion during services in Michigan, I woke up. Groups like HRC and Outfront Minnesota – along with their supporters – are bigots. They are anti-Semites and anti-Christian.

  11. You are right, justplainangry! Well, you caught me in an error, anyhow. I forgot that Ellison was US house rep rather than a MN house rep.

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