One of Big Left’s attacks against Tom Emmer in this election is that he’s “anti-gay”. It drove the most egregious tempest in this election’s teapot – the mass PR mau-mauing of the relentlessly-“Diversity”-hugging Target Corporation on behalf of Big Gay for donating money to “MN Forward”, a PAC that promotes pelting gays with rocks and garbage.
No, no, no. I’m a kidder. I kid. MN Forward was a purely pro-business PAC, supported by businesses alarmed at Mark Dayton and Tom Horner’s anti-business policies. But you’d never have known that from the hype surrounding the incident. (And comparing stock prices with other major retailers, you’d never know there was an incident. I did call it a tempest in a teapot for a reason).
The case for Emmer being “anti-gay” is based around two pieces of “evidence”:
- He supported, along with a wide swath of legislative Republicans, a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a dude and a chick.
- He voted against a bill that would have banned bullying. Really. It purported to enjoin all “forms of harassment based on actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, disability, socioeconomic status, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, physical characteristics, and association with anyone with one or more of these characteristics”
As to the former? Most Minnesotans oppose same-sex marriage. Most Minnesotans oppose allowing courts to mandate its legalization. The way to jump ahead of the courts is to enact valid, sound law which, in theory, the court has no legislative authority to overturn. That’s how separation of powers works, even when it’s inconvenient to your beliefs.
The latter? It’s a stupid law that, as written, would have made bullying against Black or Zoroastrian or Buddhist or female or blind or poor or gay or transgendered or elderly or amputee-Minnesotans really really double-dog bad , as opposed to the merely single-dog bad act of bullying, say, a white, straight able-bodied straight 19-year-old Methodist boy.
It’s just plain bad law. Of course, it was never intended as law. It was introduced so that conservatives could vote against it, thereby to give lefties a cite when they bellow “TOM EMMER WANTS GAY KIDS TO GET KILLED” on their cowardly, illiterate, lobotomized little blogs.
But let’s cut the crap. Who do you think is more anti-gay? Is it:
- Tom Emmer – regular guy, who reflects the point of view of the vast majority of Minnesotans, but freely admits that the focus of his governorship is jobs, the economy, jobs, the economy, and more jobs and the economy some more? Or is it…
- Barack Obama, who, like Paul Wellstone before him, actively courted the gay vote in the most cynical terms, and then supported the Defense of Marriage Act, which is no further to the left of the MN House GOP Caucus in point of fact? Or is it…
- The vast majority of black and latino voters, who vote Democrat but oppose gay marriage much, much more vocally than even conservative Republicans?
I love asking this question of liberals in face to face discussion.
You can practically see the gears stripping in their heads as they try to process a conundrum that can not be processed via any means short of stuffing logic down the garbage disposal.
If wanting to allow the people to vote on changing the 4000 year old definition of marriage makes you “anti-gay”, then Dayton is anti-Catholic for wanting to force them to accept homosexual marriage by force, by having a judge force it on us.
Cowardly, illiterate, lobotomized, little LEFTY blogs.
Is there any other kind?
The latest attack by the lefties on Emmer is that his mortgage is under water.
The campaign responded, in essence, this way; “Tom Emmer is not a wealthy trust funder, with money stashed in South Dakota. He pays his mortgage like the majority of Minnesotans and he pays it on time.”
God, these idiot demonrats are soooo desperate!
Emmer has a mortgage? Tres gauche. Who could support a peasant like that for Viceroy?
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I wonder if the gays who oppose “gay marriage” are considered anti-gay?
That would include Elton John, Smokey. A right wing bigot if there ever was one.
Mitch, you say “That’s how separation of powers works.” But let’s not ignore “checks and balances” when something is illegal, even though it may be in accordance with your beliefs. Both concepts of the role of government are important. Let’s face it. An impashioned majority is not always right.
And judging by the comments, on this subject, there is a lot of passion that gets promoted as truth. For instance, as a straight Catholic, I don’t believe ANYTHING is being forced upon Catholics. The gay community is not asking to be allowed to enter into the Sacrement of Matrimony. They are asking to be married in civil ceremonies. The Catholic Church ALREADY refuses to marry some folks (one man and one woman types in fact) that can otherwise be married in civil ceremonies. That is not about to be changed.
So, Chuck, you can relax.
Leslie, the Lutheran church now has ordained gay people as pastors. Don’t be naive.
kermit,
I’m not naive and nothing the government did forced the Lutherans to make that move.
Oh, and by the way, A significant percentage of Catholic priests are gay. The church, like our military, has a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.
No, I’m not naive.
(Although I see I don’t know how to spell sacrament.. 😉 )
An impashioned majority is not always right.
I never claimed they are.
But hewing to 4,000 years of recorded tradition is hardly a sign of excessive passion.
Emmer loves the music of the Junkyard Prophets and their leader Bradlee Dean. He gave them money. He is said to appear in a new video from them. Emmer’s state House campaign donated to Dean’s organization, and Emmer attended You Can Run’s 2009 fundraiser. More recently, Emmer praised the “nice people” behind the group, even after Dean praised Muslim countries who call for the execution of gays as “more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.”
Dean: “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America,” Dean said on YCR’s May 15 radio show on AM 1280 the Patriot. “This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.”
“If America won’t enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that,” Dean continued. “That is what you are seeing in America.”
Emmer loves the music of the Junkyard Prophets and their leader Bradlee Dean. He gave them money. He is said to appear in a new video from them.
Aaaah! You’re one of “them!”
Put down the “Minnesota Independent”; everything they’ve written, or at least every single conclusion they’ve reached, about Emmer and Dean is a lie. Every single word.
I know Emmer. And I know Dean. And the Mindy’s story is completely wrong. Do yourself a favor – read the actual facts, and don’t be parroting the left’s chanting poings around here.
Emmer’s state House campaign donated to Dean’s organization, and Emmer attended You Can Run’s 2009 fundraiser.
WRONG.
Emmer’s campaign bought a chair at a non-political teen outreach banquet. And it was in 2008.
More recently, Emmer praised the “nice people” behind the group, even after Dean praised Muslim countries who call for the execution of gays
For starters, Dean and company are nice people. Very personable. They don’t have horns growing out their heads. They believe things that you (and in many cases I) do not, but that doesn’t mean they have lousy personalities.
as “more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.”
Again, put down the Mindy. The real story is here. Do yourself a favor; whenever the Mindy opens its trap about anyone right of center, come here for the facts.
Dean: “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America,” Dean said on YCR’s May 15 radio show on AM 1280 the Patriot. “This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.”
And that quote ignores the context – which I personally confirmed with Dean – that he meant that the Muslim governments were more literal in their application of their religious laws. NOT that he was calling for the execution of gays.
Read the links I provided. Get real information. The Mindy is rarely if ever that.
Your friend Dean:
“For example, we have specifically rejected, as all Christians do, the Islamic doctrine, and actual practice, of executing homosexuals. But some have claimed, in effect, that by merely mentioning the execution of homosexuals (as a criminal practice of Islam), on our radio broadcast, we have suggested it for consideration. Obviously this is absurd. The whole point was to contrast the Islamic position with the Christian position. This may not have been as clear as we would have otherwise planned it to be. Live radio is not scripted. But everyone who knows us knows that this is our position because we have stated it consistently for years – long before we ever discussed the topic on the radio. There are board members, and other supporters who can vouch for this. We have never and will never call for the execution of homosexuals. This is a complete misinterpretation by design.”
Now let’s revisit exactly what he said. He and his “partner” praised Rwanda, which puts homosexuals in prison, because they “love and value life.”
Frontman Bradlee Dean added, “They are very moral; they uphold the laws.”
McMillian continued, “We have got countries all over the world that are standing for what’s right and what’s wrong. In Rwanda, there’s legislation right now that repeat offenders of homosexuality will spend their life in prison.”
“Yes!” interjected Dean.
“Because they love and value life and they love and value that which God gave,” said McMillian. “And so they enforce laws against that which destroys life which again is crimes against nature.”
Countries that are putting gays in jail are “standing for what’s right” by “enforc[ing] laws against homosexuality, proving that they “love and value that which God gave.” And when his “partner” specifically mentions Rwanda putting gays in prison for the rest of their lives, Dean shouts “Yes!”
Dean lumps NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) with all Homosexuals and Lesbians since they seem to show up around gay pride parades. You could easily make the same argument about priests showing up at Catholic events.
PS- Will Dean’s book be translated to “Mein Kampf” in Germany?
Dean’s characterization of homosexuals as a scapegoat for America’s perceived decline is a mirror image of Hitler’s use of the Jews for Germany. Just as Hitler railed about Jewish conspiracies, so does Dean point to gays. Dean has said, “On average, they molest 117 people before they’re found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?”
Try this: “And I say to the homosexual communities, I love you enough to tell you the truth, but you better get off the kids because, America, they are after your kids.” Unlike many other homophobes, Dean has gone beyond classifying gays as sinners; he repeatedly notes that gays are “criminals.” Likewise, Hitler classified Jews as lawbreakers, in the beginning referring to them as the “November criminals” and later just “criminals.”
PS- Will Dean’s book be translated to “Mein Kampf” in Germany?
Leave the German – and the German history – to those of us who are qualified. It’d be “Mein Krieg”.
Dean’s characterization of homosexuals as a scapegoat for America’s perceived decline is a mirror image of Hitler’s use of the Jews for Germany. Just as Hitler railed about Jewish conspiracies, so does Dean point to gays.
So disagree with him. I do.
Just don’t be believing the Mindy’s bullshit about the fictional connection between him and Emmer.
Try this: “And I say to the homosexual communities, I love you enough to tell you the truth, but you better get off the kids because, America, they are after your kids.” Unlike many other homophobes, Dean has gone beyond classifying gays as sinners; he repeatedly notes that gays are “criminals.” Likewise, Hitler classified Jews as lawbreakers, in the beginning referring to them as the “November criminals” and later just “criminals.”
Specious parallels are the last refuge of the illogical. While I disagree with Dean on plenty of things, comparisons with Nazis are extremely illogical. They have no army of thugs beating people, and never will. They are not a political movement. They haven’t the foggiest eliminationist impulse.
Seriously, dude. Lay off the Nazi references.
If you disagree with Dean, why rushing to his defense, Herr Berg? Dean admits to a complete chemical lobotomy before finding “teh Jesus”.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste freude, ya?
Cupcake, you are really, really obnoxious. That’s good, because you show just what folks on the Left really are, and that only helps people on the the Right.
Keep it up. Schadenfreude indeed.
Leslie, I never said the government did anything. Look up the word “subversion”.
If you disagree with Dean, why rushing to his defense, Herr Berg?
I was defending Emmer. And I’m rushing to defense of truth and fact.
Dean admits to a complete chemical lobotomy before finding “teh Jesus”.
So what? Christ came to save the whores, the tax collectors, and the chemical lobotomites.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste freude, ya?
Das sollen Sie mir erklaeren. Sie sind zwischen uns ziemlich die einzige Schadenfreuder.
Berg answered, “Whatever. I don’t follow gay issues closely.”
August 5th, 2010
Ad hominem tu quoque.
That’s Latin.
I thought it was Hmong mixed with Cherokee, thanks Professor Genius!
You don’t know what it means (without Googling), do you?
My favorite beatitude is the one when teh Jesus is all, “and the obese, balding, hate filled, condescending, divorced bloggers who admit that they don’t don’t follow gay issues, yet post as they do, will inherit the Earth”. It’s in the back of the Bible, somewhere near the part with scorpions with faces, or the elephant attack in Maccabees.
So in other words, you don’t know that “Ad hominem tu quoque” – arguing “that’s not what you said before!” – is a logical fallacy that is the sign of a poor argument, but choose to cloak your ignorance with a really dim string of insults?
Gay marriage isn’t my signature issue; doesn’t mean I can’t sound off when lefties lie about it.
But to be fair to you, you got one thing right; condescension is the best you deserve.
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