My impression is that having a license to teach in a state means one has…:
- taken (and presumably passed) the state-mandated series of education courses from an accredited college or university education program
- practice-taught a state-required amount of time with a regular teacher
- Applied for and gotten the license.
What am I missing here?
If it is like Wisconsin, you have to add:
Coaching a sport
What are you missing? The U of M paid Jesse Ventura to teach a class.
According to Robert Landrum, founder of “The Teachers, Inc.”, they didn’t actually teach classes. All they did was train people, like Dayton, to teach.
Charlie Quimby, while accusing others of this charge, is actually guilty of it himself. He doesn’t tell the whole story. He claims he talked to Robert Landrum. Well, none of what Quimby quotes verifies that Dayton taught in any public school.
For example, if I’m just an average Joe following up on a story about a claim that somebody was a teacher, besides asking about any teaching credentials, you might think you would ask them what school the alleged teacher taught at. You’d also ask what on what dates they taught. You’d also ask for some other names that could provide confirmation.
He doesn’t tell the whole story.
A common rhetorical technique of the Left (& some one the Right). The idea seems to be to buttress an argument, not arrive at a reasonable idea of the truth. The equivalent would be, I suppose, if someone on the Right back in 2000 had stressed W’s Harvard MBA and his family’s successful business operations, while ignoring the fact that, absent his family connections, W was not a particularly successful businessman.
Perhaps a better comparison would be if a pro-Bush pundit had claimed that Bush had flown fighter jets during the Vietnam War. Technically true, but deceptive.
When stories start to get vague about the details, the story teller is trying to hide something. Maybe Dayton only worked a few days as a substitute, or he was fired for drunkenness, or maybe the whole “teacher” thing was a scam to dodge the draft. 1969 wasn’t that long ago. You’d think someone from the NY school system would remember him.
Terry,
It may be a “common rhetorical technique” but I actually contacted the man who trained and placed Mark Dayton, and whose organization is listed on the license. He is still in education and has had a respected career. He has confirmed Dayton taught in New York.
This same act could have been performed in 30 minutes by all the concern trolls who have been in vapors over this. And those who want more information can certainly find it, based on my post. But I wouldn’t count on that.
I’m not trying to prove anything for Mark Dayton. I’m just rooting out liars and lazy ass activists, a goal we would appear to share, albeit Mitch focuses on one side and I take the other.
Charlie, all you have is the word of the person who ran the organization that trained & placed Dayton. He didn’t supervise Dayton or review his work.
The name of the school Dayton taught at is conspicuous by its absence. I’m not certain why you would mention that Landrum has “a respected career”. So does Bill Ayres.
Given Dayton’s admitted problems with alcohol abuse and depression, and the fact that Dayton touts his time spent teaching in NY on his resume, I think the people of MN deserve to know all of the details, just as the American people had a right to know about Bush’s Texas ANG record. The time frame is even the same.
Where did he teach & are there any official records proving this? Getting a guy to say a billionaire did what he claims is not exactly unimpeachable evidence, especially when he is likely on friendly terms with the billionaire.
Terry,
Why don’t you have the crack crew at Power Line get right on your questions? They did so well on the Dayton divorce file, but at least admitted their error.
I think the comments so far, including your insinuations, show why I might characterize a little-known man’s public career that way.
The people of Minnesota thank you for sticking up for our right to have all the facts about everything, on full display here.
Mr. Shirt,
Landrum was not aware of any of the controversy, and the men had lost touch with each other. Of course, anyone sitting on the sidelines can mischaracterize this, call Dayton a billionaire when he is not etc. etc. It never ends with you guys.
Boys and girls, let’s use our inside voices now and settle down. What Mark Dayton did in the 70s has no bearing on the present day Senate race, assuming no one asserts Dayton was convicted of a felony. I hope we all have better things to do than sling charges and counter-charges about a non-issue.
I still think Dayton might have been the model for Jodie Foster’s pimp in Taxi Driver, Golfdoc. When I was in 9th grade science I had quite a few cute girl classmates.
Seriously, my concern, as much as I have any concern about MN from way over here in Hawaii, is that Dayton has a history of alcoholic relapse when he is in emotional distress, and Dayton has said that the two years that he spent teaching in NY was the toughest job he’d ever had.
If his problem is chronic (and I believe that it is), it would be better for the good citizens of MN to know this before the election. It would be mighty embarrassing if Dayton got a DUI while on a liquor run to Hudson because it was last call at all the bars on the Minnesota side of the river.
I suspect that Dayton served as a teacher in an NYC school in much the same way Attorney General Richard Blumenthal “served in Vietnam.” Buffing up the ol’ CV is the Democratic politician’s way since they rarely get called on it by the media.
Charlie,
You’re saying Sheila Kihne is a “liar and lazy ass actiist?” Wanna make sure we’re clear on this. Because she did more to vet Dayton than the entire Twin Cities media has ever done. They have yet to ask question one about this last few rounds of relapses. They’ve been as hands-off his mental illness as Fleet Street ever was with Prince Albert.
Why don’t you have the crack crew at Power Line get right on your questions? They did so well on the Dayton divorce file, but at least admitted their error.
They spent maybe two minutes on the “story”. Can’t win ’em all. But they win most of ’em. We’ll see.
Of course, anyone sitting on the sidelines can mischaracterize this, call Dayton a billionaire when he is not etc. etc.
Dunno, Charlie. I don’t know whether Dayton did or didn’t teach. But I do know that all we have so far is…
– a license. Which shows that he practice-taught, and took
Theory of the Eraser 351 at Yale. (My dad’s term).
– a guy who, Charlie says, “trained and placed” Dayton.
Would it kill Dayton, or anyone, to give us a school? A Principal?
It never ends with you guys.
tThat’s right, Charlie. All us peasants must shut our mouths and be happy our betters deign to allow us a crust or two.
It never ends with you guys.
Yes, free speech and the democratic process can be soo inconvenient. We really should just have one party rule. Think of the harmony we would have.
The reason it matters is because Mark Dayton says it matters. He brings up his teaching experience as proof that he’s qualified for this job. If it turns out he never taught, then by his own standards, he’s unqualified. Voters should know that.
It’s a bit like John Kerry “reporting for duty.” He claimed his Vietnam Navy military experience made him better qualified to be President that George Bush’s National Guard military experience, that the lessons he learned in one incident were seared upon his memory, a claim he later admitted was untrue. Voters who value honesty in their leaders needed to know that to evaluate the candidate’s candor.
Dayton’s teaching claim can’t be that hard to prove one way or another. Tell me your boss’s name. Tell me the school name. Who were your teaching colleagues? Tell me any one thing or one person that was memorable.
Or, if you can’t recall one single thing about your most significant life-changing experience, tell me that so I can evaluate your candor and thereby your suitablility for this office.
He asserted his credentials on Direct, we’re entitled to examine them on Cross. Nothing untoward about that.
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“What Mark Dayton did in the 70s has no bearing on the present day Senate race, assuming no one asserts Dayton was convicted of a felony. I hope we all have better things to do than sling charges and counter-charges about a non-issue.”
Golfdoc, reality here is that if he was not a NYC teacher, he is lying TODAY, and that is a very real issue to me. If the allegations are true, not only has he never held a real job, but he also is willing to lie to make it look like he has. This isn’t a 40 year old issue.
Charlie talked to the guy that put Dayton into a classroom, but won’t say where that classroom is….’cause it’s on a need to know basis, and we don’t need to know, I guess.
And we’re mean, or is it homophobic, or is it racist, or is it sexist for questioning that.
Pfffft.
Charlie, you guys really need to put expiration dates on your tactics, this one stinks to high heaven.
Anybody that calls Sheila Kihne lazy, does not know Sheila Kihne .
What matters most to me is not whether Dayton did or did not spend time teaching but his use of the anecdote to explain why he became interested in running for office in the first place. He could have said “I decided to devote my energy and [unfairly gained] fortune to create an educational foundation to help those underprivileged kids.” Instead, his actions say “I decided to spend my family fortune getting myself elected so I could compel other people to pay for programs that I favor.” He may see himself as acting in the spirit of JFK (although as Lloyd Bentsen famously said: “You’re no Jack Kennedy.”) I’m OK with what he does with his money but I think society is better served by Mark Dayton, philanthropist, than Mark Dayton, governor. And that’s why I won’t vote for him, even if he’d been teacher of the year.
Sheila says it was PS 65.
It’s a bit like John Kerry “reporting for duty.”
So, Nate, you are swiftboating Mark Dayton. Are you on the payroll of this week’s designated “Evil billionaire conservative brothers”?
Sheila says it was PS 65.
That isn’t accurate either. Education Week reported it was NYC PS 65. Charlie Quimby, quoting no source, also says it was NYC PS 65.
I asked Charlie if he asked Roger Landrum, who founded the Teachers, Inc., at what school Mark Dayton taught. Charlie acknowledged that he had not asked Landrum that question.
Today Charlie says it is NYC PS 65 without sourcing that claim.
Was the hat Harvey Keitel wore in Taxi Driver a fedora or a trilby?
I bet Dayton knows. I bet that Dayton has got one just like it tucked away in the back of a closet. A momento of the old days in NYC when he was a school teacher. Yeah. School teacher.
I feared the Kerry analogy would throw people off. Let’s try again:
Dayton brings up his teaching experience as a way to connect with his DFL constituency – teachers – and to show other voters that’s he’s Just Folks, not one of the Filthy Rich.
That is a calculated political tactic like wearing a dress shirt with rolled up sleeves but no tie to ride in the small town parade, or a plaid shirt to the farm festival. I’m just like you and you’re a good person, right? So it’s safe – even wise – for you to vote for me. All pols use it to some degree. Some are lousy at it (Michael Dukakis driving a tank), some are great (Rudy Boshwitz’ wearing a plaid shirt). Dayton is following suit, is all.
That tactic wouldn’t work nearly so well if Dayton told an anecdote about the time he and two cousins puked their guts out after sneaking too much caviar and champagne from the family wine cellar. Whether or not the anecdote is true (and I have no reason to believe it is), he wouldn’t tell it because that story wouldn’t serve the political purpose that the teacher story serves. It would alienate rather than invite people to vote for him.
The story only works if it’s true. Claiming to have shared others’ suffering by spending Christmas 1969 in Cambodia doesn’t work if you later admit that no, it wasn’t Christmas, and it wasn’t 1969, and it wasn’t Cambodia, but hey, close enough, right?
Eveybody dislikes a wannabee; we especially despise a lying wannabee.
So if the teacher story is a lie, then the people with whom he’s trying to establish a connection should know it; that’s how we know whether he’s despicable or not.
You said it. Prove it. Or admit you’re a liar and take the consequences.
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Ha, ha, is this “Sheila” person a dentist/lawyer as well? Not sure what to call you slobs over this one; “Teachthers”? “Birtheachers”? “Birchers”? Yeah that sounds about right.
Tim,
You are even less coherent than usual.
Whereas you are usually comic relief, I’m actually a little sad now.
Charlie,
If it makes you feel better, exchange the word “billionaire” in to “dirty stinking rich guy who wants power” if it makes you feel better, the fact of the matter is Dayton could afford to bribe just about anyone.
I just met my High School history teacher for the first time in 22 years. We lost touch, but we hit it off like good friends. “Losing Touch” is also not an unimpeachable defense.
If this is true, Dayton should be able to prove it very easily.
Tim, it is unwise to mix alcohol with your anti-depressent meds.
Just sayin’.
Let’s put Angryclown on the case! Surely he can probe the depths of the NYC bureaucracy to deliver the truth. Or at least offer more coherent snark than Tim seems able to muster.
Kermit Says: “Tim, it is unwise to mix alcohol with your anti-depressent meds. Just sayin’.
Kermit, In Timmy’s case it maybe wiser to council him to mix copious amounts of booze with copious amounts of anti-depressants. Just sayin….(wink)
charlieq Says:”…by all the concern trolls who have been in vapors over this.”
I don’t think vapors is a troll problem; however I think MadMark has implied it is a problem he’s had (has?).
Vapors defined; A nervous disorder such as depression or hysteria.