…voting is going on through midnight tonight for the Most Hated Conservatives poll.
Vote for the Minnesota (!) conservatives that Minnesota liberals hate the most. Vote for up to ten, in order; I’m weighting the votes by where they appear in order (a #1 vote counts for more than a #8 vote).
Leave your votes in the comment section, or email my yahoo dot com address found at “feedbackinthedark”.
Cutoff is midnight tonight.
1. Tooth Fairy
2. Santa Claus
3. Rumplestiltskin
4. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
5. The Keebler Elf
6. The Jolly-Green Giant
7. Mother Goose
8. Blue Teletubby
9. Barney
10. Elmer Fudd
I had to come up with fictional characters because there isn’t one single conservative the left hates, just like there isn’t one single conservative racist.
Pen,
I continue to be amazed that someone can get to your status in life with either such dismal reading comprehension, such poor grasp of logic, or such a “flair” for obtuse disingenuity.
I said – several times – that of course there are conservative racists. However, in my years travelling in conservative circles, I have yet to meet a single significant one.
there isn’t one single conservative the left hates,
Of course there is. In as many words.
Or perhaps you stressed the word “single”, meaning that y’all don’t hate us individually, but as a group – like Klansman hate black people even though they may do business with them as individuals.
I can see that.
The more Penigma comments the denser he makes his side look. Great plan, Mitch!
I’m kinda disappointed that we haven’t heard from the Deviated Septum of Alfredo Garcia.
Hola, Senior Mr. D!
I ran into the Fallen Arch of Alfredo Garcia. He told me he was sorry he let his side down.
“I continue to be amazed that someone can get to your status in life with either such dismal reading comprehension, such poor grasp of logic, or such a “flair” for obtuse disingenuity. ”
Perhaps that’s a lesson for you to ponder a bit – and perhaps, my obdurate, reflexively insulting friend, you will come to grasp that my reading comprehension is just fine, my logic is quite sound, and as for obtuse disingenuity, I can only think that someone who would so casually call the American Left anti-semitic by claiming anti-semtism is a key tenet of the American Left, and then belly-ache about overgeneralizatoins, especially those drawn from flimsy logic (in the reader’s opinion) – well.. I guess I’ll just have to let you consider the genuineness of your complaint.
With respect to me and mine, I’ll refrain from the insults – I was chiding you in a gentle way, my friend, not meaning to rub a sore, but you instead, it seems, chose to insult me.. oh well, another day, another dollar as they say.
My retort to this little stream of invective you’ve invented so industrially, is to imply that you might infer from my implication that in fact there aren’t quite so many intolerant liberals as you claim. Indeed, I might even go so far as to say that I’ve never met a single SIGNIFICANT one, in so many words. I note, I’ve said all this illiterative illustrative implication without one single insult – give IT a try.
Oh, by the way, DG says HI, and suggests you might want to read what she’s written regarding racist righties ranting so routinely, including someone whom you can relate to on the radio and I’m reasonably reassured, you may even have had cause to refer to as your friend. Just a guess… take care.
Every lefty that has called tea partiers “teabaggers” is a hater, Penigma. Or do you think that saying someone sucks someone else’s balls is not a form of hatre speech?
You are an idiot, Penigma.
Deviated, tea baggers has a more commonly used meaning; you have to go for the other meaning intentionally looking to be insulted, given that there are tea party supporters who themselves use the term.
On the other hand, speaking of political epithets, and being ungrammatical besides
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)
Aren’t you talking about he word n*gg*r, Dog Gone? What’s the more commaonly used meaning? I mean, besides someone who sucks testicles?
Penigma said “I had to come up with fictional characters because there isn’t one single conservative the left hates”.
This is a lie. If conservatives spent all day long burning Obama in effigy it would still be a lie. If every time he opened his mouth Dick Cheney called Nancy Pelosi a c*nt it would still be a lie.
Penigma’s brain don’t work quite right.
Deviated, tea baggers has a more commonly used meaning; you have to go for the other meaning intentionally looking to be insulted, given that there are tea party supporters who themselves use the term.
I’m sorry, DG, but that is so obtuse that I have to hope that it’s mere crushing ignorance. Some tea-partiers used it in the sense of “sending tea bags”; the media, especially Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper, used it with a nudge and a giggle in the alt-lifestyle sex practice term. This is NOT some hallucination on the Tea Partiers’ part, and for you to rationalize it as such is, I’ll be charitable, delusional.
Really. Don’t go there.
Not obtuse, Mitch.
If you asked ten people on the street was a tea bag was, they would think of the products sold by Lipton, Tetley’s, etc. for making the common beverage (no one much likes to mess with loose tea and a strainer or tea ball).
Tea partiers have stapled tea bags to their hats and other clothing, to their signs, to their lawn chairs, you name it. Tea partiers have used it to refer to themselves, although less frequently than tea partier or tea party supporters.
Do people chuckle? Yes, because someone not realizing they are using a slang term is a little funny, but only because prudish people get agitated about any reference to sex as a taboo. I would posit here that oral sex is not regarded as terrible by most people, except those who think it is only indulged in by homosexuals, and who are expressing a homophobic attitude. THAT is what is funny about it; so some people don’t ignore that – so what?
Terry, Nigger has only one meaning, and I would argue to you that it is a far worse word in that meaning and usage than any form of tea bag, so your comparison is a false one.
While we are on the subject of tea bag analogies and sex, the more common and correct use of the term is for the practice in some parts of the world of men using hot water to kill off the sperm in their testicles, tea bag style, btw, as a form of birth control, not for direct sexual gratification.
But I will make you a deal Mitch – I will stop using the word tea bagger (actually I already have stopped using it because 1. I don’t take pleasure in offending people, and 2. I prefer to use more correct terminology relating to sex instead of slang) and I will do my best to get Pen to agree to stop using tea bagger………..IF you stop using democrat as an adjective, and use it only as the more correct noun.
I think those two equate for being offensive, in both use and intent.
Or ……..are you only interested in changing the misconduct of others, but unwilling to change what is offensive that YOU do?
Deal?
No, but here’s a deal:
I’ll stop using “Democrat” – a term I’ve used for 25 years, without a single comment from any Democratic until six years ago, when it became a chanting point among democratics – as an adjective immediately if you admit that you are being obtuse, and trafficking in the left’s giggly spin about the term “tea-bagger”.
Because you give yourself away: “Yes, because someone not realizing they are using a slang term is a little funny”. Right. And the media, and pretty much every liberal, took that example of a few Tea Partiers mailing tea bags to Congress and calling themselves “tea baggers” in April of 2009, and has been “finding it a little funny” ever since.
I have never, not once, “intended” anything by calling Demcoratics “Democrat”. Never . And anyone who says I ever have is lying.
But you know damn well that every single tea party opponent who calls them tea-baggers does mean to be offensive.
I don’t care what people call me; if someone wants to call me and my movement some giggly junior high name, it says more about them than me, and I’ve told them to their faces. But transparently bogus rationalizaitons for offensive behavior do bother me very much.
Dog Gone said:
“While we are on the subject of tea bag analogies and sex, the more common and correct use of the term is for the practice in some parts of the world …”
Ha! Well, we aren’t really in “some parts of the world” now, are we? We can tell what is “common” (and “correct” *eyeroll*) by heading on over to Google search and asking what they think, can’t we? *searches* Hmm … Google thinks you’re full of it, Dog Gone.
By the way, DG – did you really say that Michelle Malkin had a right-wing axe to grind, but that Huffington Post was a reliable source?
If there isn’t a single conservative the left hates, they certainly do a great job of hiding that fact. If you look at the invective poured forth by places like Air America, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Wonkette, and others, it would seem pretty obvious that the left hates a certain number of them. Heck, even the Star Tribune makes it pretty clear to those with a bit of reading comprehension.
Hint; if you’re using a lot of personal attacks, those attacked will RIGHTLY infer that your motivations are not exactly “peace and love and tolerance.”
“my logic is quite sound”
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Stop it, Peevish Boy, your killin me!
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“I’ll refrain from the insults”
Peni, what names were you calling Mitch the other week on PenisBlog?
“”Democrat Party” is a political epithet used in the United States instead of “Democratic Party” when talking about the Democratic Party. The term has been principally used by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since the 1930s. The explicit goal is to dissociate the name of the rival party from the concept of democracy.
Democratic Party members and non-partisan individuals have objected to this modification.”
“In 1984, when a delegate of the Republican platform committee asked unanimous consent to change a platform amendment to read the Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party, Representative Jack Kemp objected, saying that would be “an insult to our Democratic friends.” The committee dropped the proposal.[9]. In 1996, the wording throughout the Republican party platform was changed from “Democratic Party” to “Democrat Party”. In August 2008, the Republican platform committee voted down a proposal to use the phrase “Democrat Party” in the 2008 platform, deciding to use the proper “Democratic Party”. “We probably should use what the actual name is,” said Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, the panel’s chairman. “At least in writing.”[10]
The term has also been used on occasion by other opponents of the Democratic Party, such as Ralph Nader.[11”]
There are many more of these instances indicating that the term is a slur, an epithet (note footnote 11).
Would you be less offended Mitch, if I told you that my use of the term teabagger was not ever intended as an offensive comment? Or would you point out correctly that it was generally intended as an offensive word and taken as the same. Because I have not used it intending to be offensive any more than you claim to be using democrat for democratic. Unlike you, I voluntarily refrained from using it when I realized that intentional or not, it WAS insulting — as is your use of democrat for democratic. And I’ve made the point that extends further back than just your 25 years worth.
Or how about ‘Tic’? Or any of the many other insults that include lefty hyphen? I don’t think you can make a plausible case that you don’t intend to be insulting, Mitch.
But in any case, I made that argument to you, and made it well. The next question is, so what do you intend to do about it?
And KR, whether you are aware of it or not, I have taken issue with BOTH Mitch and Pen equally, requesting them not to exchange insults. I do not like it from either side….and neither of them seem very receptive to a cessation, unfortunately.
As to what I just wrote about Michelle Malkin – and Ed Morrisey, and Fox News – I said they had a right wing axe to grind yes.
What you left out was what I objected to, which was factually inaccurate in doing so.
Yes, I also think HufPo has an axe to grind, not the same axe, the opposite ‘axe’ but still axe grinding. I did not find them in this particular instance to have made the same factual errors, and so did not mention them either way.
If you can show errors as egregious as the ones I identified – and which you chose to pass on – then I will be happy to join you in that criticism of HufPo. HufPo should be held accountable exactly as much, and good for you when you do!
So, dear Mitch, my friend — have you any FACTS in what I wrote yesterday with which to take issue? Feel free to comment on them on Penigma.
I believe I put ‘finis’ to your kvetching about me calling conservatives racist when I wrote:
” Racism is not only open animosity, or the overt use of insulting words like “nigger” or “spic”, it is the underlying assumption, often more subtle, that assumes the worst about people as members of a group, despite lack of adequate information to justify that conclusion. ” and
“Racism is not only what we say, what we write, what we promote or what we do. Racism is not unique to the right or to conservatives. Racism is most fundamentally in each one of us what we assume especially negatively, without verification, about groups and individuals.”
Or do you disagree that the story about the Black Panthers – who weren’t actually Black Panthers at all – and who the police (twice) and DA verified didn’t intimidate anyone or block any polling place –
was “also nothing less than an attempt to invalidate the legitimacy of the election, and of the current sitting President, on racist grounds. These accusations have no more merit than those of the birthers, and should be given no more credence and no more respect than the comic birthers’ claims.”
Mitch, you have complained, pretty emphatically about omissions of fact that misrepresents events in news stories and political commentary.
So….why IS IT, that you haven’t made mention of the fact that in the ‘supposed’ Black Panther story….that the individual in question was a credentialed polling place official……….or that the sole claims to anyone being a black panther was a patch on jackets………….or that the Black Panthers indicated they were not their members, the polling place people made the same claim, and the individuals in question affirmed they were not black panthers……
and yet that was still either in the headlines or prominently asserted, inaccurately?
Or that no brandishing of weapons took place according to witnesses and polling officials (from both parties) and the two separate investigations by the police, and by the DA?
All of those facts that YOU omitted in your SitD post on this story support that this was dismissed for lack of merit. It also supports that it should never have been brought by the Bush DoJ, which was notorious for being politicized, and used as an arm of the Bush administration for political advantage?
We won’t even go into – here – the instances of verified GOP intimidation in the same election, of blacks and hispanics that ended up in court………
Mitch,
I probably treated you less well than I treat other conservative commenters. As a consequence, I apologize for having done so on Penigma.
That you chose to allow invective and deflection-based discourse here is clear, and for my part in fostering it here, I take full responsibility. Please accept that I consider it intellectually dishonest to fail to consider both sides of an argument, to fail to present and counter those you don’t agree with, and to fail to weigh each in deciding your stance. To do less is to embrace flaw, often fatally. Chosing to snip out one line of content, while ignoring the rest, that too leaves an argument unaddressed. These are things of style about which we can reasonably disagree. I think my ability to comprehend writing, to use logic, is sufficiently well established in my life that
Conversely, engaging in ad hominem, making light of honest mistakes, impugning the character of someone’s mental faculty, impugning the quality of their character, those are not the realm of things which should be done – or tolerated when done to friends. DG rightly points out you were mistreated, I crossed a line on Penigma – and I am wrong for it. Whether you chose to acknowledge the reverse will be your own decision.
sorry, phone call.. 2nd paragraph, last sentence.. that I don’t need to worry overmuch if you chose to insult it.
Could you hand me a kleenex, oops, I meant a facial tissue.
DG, are you gay today?
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“I have taken issue with BOTH Mitch and Pen equally,”
So you admit Peni is a hypocrite that can’t follow his own blog rules.
Pen,
Yep, when the argument goes into the ditch, I’ll occasionally indulge in diving in with it. And for that and any offense that came with it, I do apologize.
For what it’s worth, having spent most of my adult life in some sort of public political wrangling or another, I have very thick skin – I ignore pretty much everything people say about me online or on the air – and sometimes forget that not everyone sees it that way. That is a fault of mine, not a virtue, certainly not when it comes to making the jump between the online/on-air worlds and the real one.
So – thanks for the note.
And back to work… :-`
That you chose to allow invective and deflection-based discourse here is clear
It’d be more accurate to say I’m pretty hands-off the conversation, for better or worse.
Terry, Nigger has only one meaning, and I would argue to you that it is a far worse word in that meaning and usage than any form of tea bag, so your comparison is a false one.
As usual, you are missing the point, Dog Gone. It’s not about which term is a worse insult, it’s that what you wrote about the insult “teabagger” is true about the insult “n*gg*r”. If “n*gg*r” is hate speech when used by non-blacks then so is “teabagger” when used by the Left. It’s not about which one is worse.
Please try to keep up.
So….why IS IT, that you haven’t made mention of the fact that in the ’supposed’ Black Panther story
For the same reason that after months of buildup, you have yet to show us the “smoking gun” in the Affinity Marketing story that’ll land Salem Twin Cities in federal court and David Strom in the slammer; because for one reason or another, you haven’t gotten around to it yet; maybe you will, or maybe the whole thing will slip quietly away.
I haven’t had time to re-fight this battle, and I’m certainly on nobody’s deadline to do so; I have bigger fish to fry this week. If I do, you’ll be the first to know, presuming that you’re the first to read this blog after I post it.
It’s not about which term is a worse insult, it’s that what you wrote about the insult “teabagger” is true about the insult “n*gg*r”. If “n*gg*r” is hate speech when used by non-blacks then so is “teabagger” when used by the Left.
And with Teab*gger, there’s also the issue of intent. If someone who sends bags of tea to Congresspeople to remind them they do not support higher taxes or spending, and calls themselves a “teabagger” – a noun meaning “someone who bags tea” – the intent is clear; when Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper and Jeff Fecke and “Spot” and all the rest of the left’s chattering hamsters use the term, there is not a single sentient person in the world obtuse enough to think they have the same intent or meaning in mind.
To say they do is too obtuse to be worth a non-dismissive response.
We have Playboy’s list of the ten conservative women it believes deserve a “hatefuck” (cached at http://blogwonks.com/2009/06/05/playboys-conservative-women-hate-fuck-fantasy/). How “significant” is writer Guy Cimbalo? A Hell of a lot more significant than the line up on AM 1280 (sorry, Mitch!).
“I apologize for having done so on Penigma.”
Peevee, is that the best you can come up with when admitting your hypocrisy?
Could you hand me a kleenex, oops, I meant a facial tissue.
DG, are you gay today?
No, KR, I’m still heterosexual, thanks for your concern.
I communicate with both Pen and Mitch privately, not only here, and see them both as more than their limited blogging personas. My statement reflects that difference. They are my friends, first and foremost and my feelings reflect that.
“For the same reason that after months of buildup, you have yet to show us the “smoking gun” in the Affinity Marketing story that’ll land Salem Twin Cities in federal court and David Strom in the slammer; because for one reason or another, you haven’t gotten around to it yet; maybe you will, or maybe the whole thing will slip quietly away.”
Actually, no. I’m waiting on further information, continuing to communicate with the victims often – both yesterday and today as a matter of fact. The focus of the investigation is finally spreading out to more of the (alleged) co-conspirators, like Beckman, currently getting the spotlinght, and after that is expected to move on to the others, like Pettengill and Durand (based on shared information, and the court documents from last fall which showed they appeared to have actively engaged in the earlier fraud, as well as the indications that there are fraud victims from them during the Strom show and the seminars he hosted for them.
I think we have fairly faulted your friend for claiming victims and investors should do their homework / due dilligence / caveat emptor, and then himself not doing more than a casual google search befor putting uncredentialed individuals on the air, selling his good name to help them flog dubious investment schemes, without checking their credentials (or in this case lack of them) first, without so much as checking that they had legitimate offices and phones. And without checking into them after they were being sued, and grand juries were involved, and for the lack of sharing that information with his listeners, while claiming he took some sort of moral high ground. I think it is inexcusable that Strom left a bogus entity as the host of the show for nearly nine months, and that neither he nor the station provided the appropriate disclaimers, and I think it is a bad thing that the Salem network of radio stations has had multiple instances of radio show investment fraud allegations. One of the delays has been because the lead attorney, Magill, was just made a judge, so there has been some shuffling taking place.
July should be an interesting month, but I’m not sure how much of the developments I am allowed to share publicly until a few more steps take place.
If you want more info privately, I’d be happy to share what I can.
Sorry – that was all strung together very hurriedly; apologies.
How is it again that you ignoring past facts that explain why a closed case was settled and dismissed excuse you not reporting that information, and how does that equate to a case currently unfolding, not yet settled, exactly?
The case I identified tried to claim a couple of patches equated to polling officials being black panthers, and that the black panthers supported Obama, so obvioulsy Obama supported the black panthers (NOT), and then the Obama DoJ did something improper when they did not.
That’s all over, done, finished, and I’d bet you a cup of coffee the next time I see you it stays over. The affinity scam case is ongoing, not over, and moving far more slowly than I or the victims would like.
Although you might like to read this week’s stories on it, I can provide you the links.
I do have to say, the more I see of Dan Browning’s work, the more impressed I am.
Dog Gone, you seem to be easily manipulated.
If a liberal group announces a lawsuit or an investigation, and it pans out, they trumpet the fact. If it does not pan out, they say nothing — but the announcement of the lawsuit stays on the internet forever.
How’s that investigation into the Mad Weber Ninja of Northern Virginia going?
Terry,
The suit was brought by a group of conservatives, your knowledge of this case is not adequate to comment it seems. Your attempt to claim this is simply liberal politicizing and went quietly into the night is as far from the truth as possible.
Mitch – bluntly, we’ve respected David’s request for confidentiality on some issues which I will leave that way, perhaps it’s best left that way by you too? If you chose to get a private e-mail on my opinion and facts of my interview with and Browning, I’m happy to do so, but I must suggest to you that it is not even remotely a similar circumstance. I found David to be affable, but at best extraordinarily guilible (apologies David, but that’s how you described yourself).
ack,… if you chose to get a private e-mail on my opinion and facts of my interview with David and Browning…
BTW – why are my comments still being moderated?
I know that there was just recently in the past week or so an arrest made of two men for threatening Bart Stupak; and of course, Charles Wilson recently pled guilty to death threats against Senator Murray. Last I heard the FBI case was still open and on-going in the Pierrello (sp?) case according to the FOIA request that Politico had made. It does appear that there are arrests beginning to be made in the cases which the authorities were investigating. I have yet to find that the ‘weber’ case as you incorrectly called it, has been clsoed.
It was not an otudoor grill that was involved, it was an indoor propane burner, leading to an outdoor propane source, which the fire department and other authorities identified as potentially very dangerous, possibly lethal, to the family members, which included 4 kids under approx. the age of 8. Had the congressman’s brother not come home unexpectedly in the middle of the day, the events would have been far more severe. Leave it to you to try to make a joke out of that, so long as it appears to be connected to the tea party posting of their address.
I’m guessing it it were a tea party member with the propane burner, and the people who had posted the wrong addrss were anyone else, you’d be a lot more outraged – and that is hypocrisy, Terry.
As to how lethal btw Terry – the propane tank in the Pierrello incident was same as the ones in the Time Square attempted car bombing So……….do you think the Pakistani-American car bomber should be let off because it was “just a weber grill attachment”? Shall we call him the Time Squar ‘weber ninja’?
I’m guessing NOT.
“No, KR, I’m still heterosexual, thanks for your concern.”
Thanks for making my point. ‘gay’ now means homo; not happy.
Therefore, we should have no problem using the word Democrat.
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“July should be an interesting month”
Didn’t you say that last year too?
/smacks himself for even trying..
KR – last July (if you happen to be refering to the MN Ponzi scheme case) – Trevor Cooke and a host of accomplices were named in a civil action in Ohio, the indictment was unsealed and two folks doing business with Salem Broadcasting were also named (iirc and I probably do) In addition, Mr. Strom participated in an interview of those two individuals who were not fully honest and about which, according to a source familiar with the facts, Mr. Strom understood they weren’t being honest. Mr. Strom did not correct their “lie” (I put it in quotes only to identify that it is my understanding of the facts) – and allowed the two individuals to seeming perpetrate this falsehood during the interview.
If you mean, that’s not interesting, or you’re trying to suggest nothing happened last July, perhaps we can agree to disagree, but you candidly are about completely ignorant of the facts, and simply appear to be shooting off your mouth on something you know nothing about.
Regarding the foolishness about gay having changed meaning, first, Democrat referred to someone in the Democratic Party and has been used PURPOSEFULLY as a pejorative for about 60 years. Gay is niether a pejorative now, nor has it been other than when someone who is a bigot or ignorant decides to refer to something as ‘gay’ when they mean stupid. If you are suggesting we should allow for ‘gay’ to mean stupid simply because it’s become vernacular, then you are supporting the idea that Democrat is and should be used as a pejorative also. Thus, we agree and thanks for making the point.
As to how lethal btw Terry – the propane tank in the Pierrello incident was same as the ones in the Time Square attempted car bombing So……….do you think the Pakistani-American car bomber should be let off because it was “just a weber grill attachment”? Shall we call him the Time Squar ‘weber ninja’?
That is a statement steeped in either ignorance or deception. It’s as bad as saying that the electrical tape in my tool box is a terrorist weapon because terrorists use it to bind sticks of TNT together.
Dog Gone, if I take the hose off of my weber tank and turn it on all the way, it will squirt propane for a moment, then stop. every tank & hose made in the US for at least ten years has this feature. You are purposely smearing the facts of the case to link penny-ante vandalism by a person or persons unknown to imaginary right wing terrorists. It really is despicable, especially since you have no knowledge who (if anyone) cut Pierrello’s brother’s gas grill line.
Let me repeat that.
You have no knowledge who (if anyone) cut Pierrello’s brother’s gas grill line.
“July should be an interesting month”
i.e. “Wolf!!!”
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“according to a source familiar”
Peevee, just how many neighbors do you have?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
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And by the way, I know a heck of a lot of people that call themselves a “Democrat”. (and not in a self-deprecating way)
Therefore, your point is mute.
Game. Set. Match.