Converts
By Mitch Berg
Wonder why Big Left’s noise machine was so quick to try to gundeck The Fall of Minneapolis?
Because they’re smart enough to see that it coud change some minds.
In this case, the minds of academic Glenn Loury and the NYTimes’s John McWhorter – both of whom formerly bought Big Left’s story on the events of May 2020.
And both of whom re-evaluated things pretty radically:
Haven’t seen it yet? Make up your own mind.
December 15th, 2023 at 1:32 pm
Ask the critics what is false in the movie and they start name calling.
December 15th, 2023 at 1:49 pm
I still haven’t watched it. I have asked people who have seen it what they learned or saw and I don’t hear anything that I didn’t already know. So, the only thing I get out of watching it is a pointless re-visit to that Angry Place – followed by even more anger with the realization that not one of those corrupt effing DemoCommies behind the St George of Floyd fraud will ever be punished.
December 15th, 2023 at 5:16 pm
I watched the series of events before the knee to the neck, and…the main thing I can think of is still the first thing I thought of when the news came out; the police kept restraining him for five minutes after he lost consciousness, and for two minutes after they lost his pulse?
I get it that police don’t get to deal with the salt of the earth all the time. I get it that Floyd was resisting arrest, but….five minutes after he lost consciousness? Seriously?
What was also lost was the opportunity to greatly improve law enforcement. OK, officers don’t have Narcan in the cruiser…why? Officers aren’t trained to stop restraints when a suspect is unconscious….why? It’s not like they don’t have cuffs and zip ties for this exact purpose, no? The state doesn’t have a clear statute for excessive use of force…why? And the list goes on and on….
December 16th, 2023 at 1:33 am
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December 16th, 2023 at 8:23 am
Lawyers.
Lawyers.
Lawyers
Lawyers
December 16th, 2023 at 10:02 am
The state may not have a statute, but the Minneapolis police department had policies in place at the time of the incident (later hastily revised). That makes me wonder about several questions which don’t seem to have been adequately addressed in the trial:
What did the official MPD policy say the officers were supposed to do?
Did the officers follow the official MPD policy?
Should the officers have deviated from the official MPD policy if, in their opinion, the policy was incorrect, incomplete, misguided, or just plain wrong?
I’m not saying the “just following orders” defense is a complete defense. Maybe MPD expected the three rookies to disregard their training officer’s orders and take charge of the scene, arresting or even shooting their superior officer if necessary to do what they believed was necessary to protect the arrestee.
But it would be nice to have a clear explanation of how society expects rookie officers to reconcile the inherent conflict between “follow orders” and “follow your conscience.”
December 16th, 2023 at 10:14 am
By the way, if the goal is to ensure that no Black man ever dies while in police custody, then Narcan, zip ties and statutes are not the way to go.
The way to go is to stop arresting Black men.
It’s the Freddie Grey method, first adopted in Baltimore. Works perfectly. Since the policy was adopted, no Black men have died while in police custody. Success!
True, Black men in Baltimore who knew they have a free pass to commit crimes did take advantage of it. Murders, armed robberies, and rapes all skyrocketed and Baltimore remains one of the most violently dangerous cities in America, nearly tied with Detroit and St. Louis. But there is one silver lining and it’s the most important fact to remember:
Not one Black man has died in police custody since the new policy was adopted. Not a single Freddie “Hard Ride” Grey. Not a single “Saint” George Floyd. Not a single Michael “Hands Up” Brown. The Baltimore policy is working, perfectly.
Surely that’s worth a little property damage and personal injury to the rest of the community, right?
December 16th, 2023 at 10:53 am
Early in the documentary, “The Fall of Minneapolis”, the officers arresting George Floyd discuss the appropriateness of employing “maximum restraint”. Their motivation was to protect themselves and George Floyd until an ambulance could arrive, which should have taken five minutes – but instead too close to half an hour.
Later in the film, Derek Chauvin’s mother holds up a copy of his police procedures manual opened to the page that illustrates the “maximum restraint” technique. What the manual instructs and what Chauvin employed was a mirror match.
One could argue that Chauvin maintained the technique too long and failed to monitor Flyod’s health , but that is not consistent with the charges or the conviction, which were politically motivated and cowardly.
December 16th, 2023 at 11:00 am
What about the three rookies? What does the official MPD policy say about their obligation to mutiny, take control of the scene, arrest Chauvin or shoot him, if necessary to avoid becoming accessories to murder of a suspect in police custody?
December 17th, 2023 at 1:43 pm
The thing that pisses me off the most, is the conduct of Cahill. Another left wing kangaroo that makes up the law as he goes and not worthy of a judgeship except maybe for baking contests.
December 18th, 2023 at 10:01 am
Greg, I wish I could argue with you, but….I suspect that there is a lot to how you responded to me….
December 18th, 2023 at 2:01 pm
In my former life I once represented three peace officers sued as a result of a death in custody much like George Floyd’s. My officers were the arresting officers who also transported the suspect/decedent to the local jail, where he died. This was easily a decade or so before Floyd, and back then the agency I represented knew that you simply did not leave a cuffed suspect restrained on their stomach. Pursuant to policy, my officers had the decedent on his side from arrest to the moment he was turned over to the jail. While in their custody he was breathing and excitedly talking. The jail personnel stupidly restrained him on his stomach while processing him, during which time he died. All this was captured on a very uncomfortable to watch video.
According to the documentary, Chauvin followed the policy of the MPD in keeping Floyd face-down on the ground. Thus, I think the fault is with the department, not Chauvin or the other officers. By the time of the Floyd incident, any department that had a policy of restraining someone face down on the ground while cuffed should’ve known better. But I guess we cannot send police chiefs and politicians to prison.
December 18th, 2023 at 5:00 pm
JamesPD, on his side so he doesn’t drown in his own vomit, or because the weight of the body can impair breathing, or….?
Suggests to me–and I haven’t read the policies of the Minneapolis PD at that point–a great aid to officers would be explaining the why of the policies instead of just having policies.
December 18th, 2023 at 5:10 pm
Bike,
The breathing part. I had one of the officers cuff me up and lay me down face down in their station, and I instantly started to have trouble breathing. On the video I referred to, he was complaining about not being able to breath, until he stopped complaining.
December 18th, 2023 at 5:51 pm
OK, did the same experiment myself….OK, agreed that somebody at the MPD needs to go to jail for that one, because it took five seconds to prove out that yes, lying on one’s stomach with one’s hands behind my back does suppress breathing. (have these guys never heard of medical review and the like?)