The Hamline Railroad

Ed and I interviewed Troy Scheffler yesterday on NARN Volume II. 

Troy, you may recall, was the Hamline University student suspended from school by executive fiat for emailing the University’s president  to suggest that allowing students to defend themselves against mass-murderers and other criminals (Hamline is a “gun free campus, just like Virginia Tech and the Red Lake School and Cold Springs/Rocori and Columbine…) might better serve the needs of security than wallowing in empty therapeutic blandishments.

Ed beat me to the story, so I’ll let him describe the interview:

I was curious about what kind of person Troy was, and so I looked forward to meeting with him yesterday after our intrepid producer Matt Reynolds made the arrangements. I didn’t think he’d be a Seung-hui Cho type at all, but I was very much surprised when Troy turned out to be as mild-mannered as anyone I had ever met. He didn’t harbor any bitterness nor even anger over his situation, only a resigned bemusement. He, in fact, is a very nice guy caught up in the academic manifestations of political correctness.

I’ll add to that – Troy is not some twentysomething fratboy all fired up on testosterone.  He’s in his early thirties (according to the City Pages article that kicked the whole story off), working on getting into law school.  My first impression was he’s about as regular as guy as they get.

Ed goes on to describe Scheffler’s explication of the email traffic between him and the Hamline administration.  He was suspended from school, and ordered to get psychiatric counseling before he could apply for reinstatement

For writing an email suggesting the allowing of guns on campus.

The upshot?

So far, the school hasn’t budged. Troy doesn’t really want to return there anyway under the circumstances, but he worries that the incompletes he had to take and the record of the suspension will damage his chances to get into law school. In fact, he has just about despaired of that career at this point, and isn’t sure what he will do now.

What is certain is that Hamline should be embarrassed to have treated Troy in this manner. Had Hanson actually met Troy, she would have seen that she had nothing to fear from him.

Hamline’s gutless administrators have hidden behind “student privacy” so far (although, as producer Matt Reynolds hilariously pointed out, Hamline’s switchboard isn’t so concerned about “student privacy” that they couldn’t give out the personal cell phone numbers of several principals to the story).

Come on, Hamline.  Explain yourselves – or have the whole world know what a bunch of gutless Orwellian toadies you are.

The challenge is on the table, Hamline.  Do you have enough respect for your students, your neighbors and the public to defend your actions?

Ed finishes:

NOTE: Troy could use a good Second Amendment lawyer. Let me know if anyone wants to give Troy an assist in that manner.

If anyone has any leads for lawyers or other organizations that help gun owners who’ve faced this sort of discrimination, write me at “feedbackinthedark” at the email address yahoo dot com. 

29 thoughts on “The Hamline Railroad

  1. 2nd Amendment lawyer heck – try 1st Amendment…..apparently Hamline only believes in free speech for liberals.

    I’m not sure why people keep harping on the First and Second Amendments – Hamline is a PRIVATE college and constitutional limitations on GOVERNMENT action generally don’t apply to private organizations.

    That being said, LL I suspect that there is more to the story than this fellow being a CCW supporter. According to his “peekyou” profile which enables people to locate each other on the internet, he apparently uses the handle “promanure” and has posted on a site devoted to discussing the former Axis powers. Here’s an excerpt from one of his posts:

    “By no means can I claim that 9 out of 10 Jews are Communists but I can say that 9 out of 10 Communists are Jews. We must not forget Marx himself was Jewish. History repeats itself and Hitler understood this fact, so did his people. Oddly we Americans don’t see this Communistic revolution or we just are ready to embrace it. The liberals continue to break down our borders, which was also happening in Germany. They pitted people against people (divide and conquer), fresh out of the Communist Manifesto. Why do you think Martin Luther King Jr (AKA Michael King) was chosen by Communist Jews and funded by them. They even brought him into a Communist education camp under the rule of the outwardly Communist Myles Horton (Highlander Folk School). It’s well known that Jews wrote all of King’s speeches. Blacks in their view were easy puppets due to the emotional elicitation from slavery. After the FBI unraveled the Communist support behind the Civil Rights movement, the Communists motioned the courts to seal all of the information the government had on King and the Communists. The courts are overrun by Bolsheviks aiming to destroy our Constitution. The social sciences and psychological fields are also saturated with Jews. Jews also run over 60% of our media. Not only are they telling us what to think and how to think, they tell us if it is legal or not! If the Nazi’s were so “crazy and evil” why did they push so hard for animal rights? Why were they already publicizing the dangers of smoking well before any other country? Why did they embrace the arts and public well being? Why did they pull their nation from disaster to a world power in less than 10 years? I suppose everyone has been so inundated by leftwing propaganda that ever envisioning that Conservatism is actually a good thing is beyond comprehension. People are either too stupid or blind to see the plan is to drive taxation and debt to the point that people will cry for government to take over everything and the Bolsheviks will be waiting to leap from the bushes… Anyone that can put two and two together after reading a history book or following politics will see I am not a “Zionist Conspiracy Theorist.” Jews have been doing the same routine for over 2000 years, with one of the earliest countries being Egypt.”

    I think we can see why he complains about getting “shouted down” in class. Mitch I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that neither you nor Ed were aware of any of this when you interviewed him?

    Links:

    http://www.peekyou.com/US/Minnesota/Coon_Rapids/Troy_Scheffler/29220836

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=32970

  2. 2nd Amendment lawyer heck – try 1st Amendment…..apparently Hamline only believes in free speech for liberals.

    I’m not sure why people keep harping on the First and Second Amendments – Hamline is a PRIVATE college and constitutional limitations on GOVERNMENT action generally don’t apply to private organizations.

    That being said, LL I suspect that there is more to the story than this fellow being a CCW supporter. According to his “peekyou” profile which enables people to locate each other on the internet, he apparently uses the handle “promanure” and has posted on a site devoted to discussing the former Axis powers. Here’s an excerpt from one of his posts:

    “By no means can I claim that 9 out of 10 Jews are Communists but I can say that 9 out of 10 Communists are Jews. We must not forget Marx himself was Jewish. History repeats itself and Hitler understood this fact, so did his people. Oddly we Americans don’t see this Communistic revolution or we just are ready to embrace it. The liberals continue to break down our borders, which was also happening in Germany. They pitted people against people (divide and conquer), fresh out of the Communist Manifesto. Why do you think Martin Luther King Jr (AKA Michael King) was chosen by Communist Jews and funded by them. They even brought him into a Communist education camp under the rule of the outwardly Communist Myles Horton (Highlander Folk School). It’s well known that Jews wrote all of King’s speeches. Blacks in their view were easy puppets due to the emotional elicitation from slavery. After the FBI unraveled the Communist support behind the Civil Rights movement, the Communists motioned the courts to seal all of the information the government had on King and the Communists. The courts are overrun by Bolsheviks aiming to destroy our Constitution. The social sciences and psychological fields are also saturated with Jews. Jews also run over 60% of our media. Not only are they telling us what to think and how to think, they tell us if it is legal or not! If the Nazi’s were so “crazy and evil” why did they push so hard for animal rights? Why were they already publicizing the dangers of smoking well before any other country? Why did they embrace the arts and public well being? Why did they pull their nation from disaster to a world power in less than 10 years? I suppose everyone has been so inundated by leftwing propaganda that ever envisioning that Conservatism is actually a good thing is beyond comprehension. People are either too stupid or blind to see the plan is to drive taxation and debt to the point that people will cry for government to take over everything and the Bolsheviks will be waiting to leap from the bushes… Anyone that can put two and two together after reading a history book or following politics will see I am not a “Zionist Conspiracy Theorist.” Jews have been doing the same routine for over 2000 years, with one of the earliest countries being Egypt.”

    I think we can see why he complains about getting “shouted down” in class. Mitch were your or Ed aware of this when you interviewed him?

    Links:

    http://www.peekyou.com/US/Minnesota/Coon_Rapids/Troy_Scheffler/29220836

    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=32970

  3. Confrontational neo-Nazi. Gee, Mitch, I can totally see how Hamline would be better off if this guy had a gun.

  4. Hmmm, this does change things. But on the other hand, perhaps he should go about a mile to the south on Snelling Ave, to where it crosses Summit, and he can join those liberal Democrats who hold weekly anti-Israeli protests, you know , the ones comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. The far right and far left have quit a lot in common. Looks like St Paul has it’s own Cindy Sheehan-David Duke axis (for those not in the know, I’m refering to the joint protest held in Crawford Texas last year).

  5. Thorley – it’s the old crying fire in a crowded theatre conundrum. Is what he said equivelent to shouting fire in a crowded theatre? If not, like his speech or not, he is entitled to said speech without censorship from the university.

    LL

  6. Nice work, btw, Thorley. As with so many things, there may to the story than is apparent right away.

  7. Mitch accentuated the positive: “My first impression was he’s about as regular as guy as they get.”

    I can see where you’d be fooled, Mitch. I mean, he didn’t come out and *say* he’s a nutjob before you uncritically gave him a forum on your radio show. How would you ever figure it out, without going to ridiculous extremes – like a Google search?

    I bet somebody set this up to make you look bad. I smell counterprank. Fess up Fecke!

  8. From his initial email, I figured he’d probably said some unpopular things, even some wrong things, things that I’d disagree with.

    This, I knew when I wrote the original post. Not the exact remarks Thorley’s found, but I knew he had some views that are “non-mainstream”.

    But unless any of those views crossed over from being “non-majority” to “genuine threats to people”, I’m not sure that having them – and jumping from them to suggesting students be allowed to defend themselves – is anything that warrants the treatment he’s gotten. Am I missing something, here?

    Thorley, I’ve not found Hamline to be as reasonable as you. They are terrible neighbors, in fact. And I do respect their property rights and their prerogative as a private institution to accept or reject anyone they want as students. But I’ve seen nothing so far, even with Thorley’s input, to show that his beliefs or statements warranted suspension or being treated, de facto, as a criminal.

    Perhaps Hamline should put “don’t have controversial, non-mainstream views, and don’t be confrontational about it” into their student manual, since nothing I’ve seen so far indicates to me that Scheffler said or did anything beyond that.

    Being a “nut” is neither a crime nor, in and of itself, a threat.

    We got anything else on Scheffler?

  9. Good point Mitch. This doesn’t deserve suspension any more then the student at the UofM who wrote in the Minnesota Daily that anti-Republican thugs should go to the hotels that the delegates will be staying at and attack said delegates.

    We can’t hold this guy up as a hero, but Hamline still overstepped things.

  10. Chuck and Thorley –

    So, if I’m following the above comments correctly, it’s okay to deny someone a right based on non-violent political speech. I can’t get to “peekyou” at work so I don’t have any more to go on than what Thorley posted. Yes, I find them discomforting, at best, and, at times, appalling. But based solely on those comments, those of us on the right can no longer support him? We don’t have to share his political beliefs to support his right to say them. Further, if he made no threats to anyone at Hamline and has had no trouble academically, then Hamline has no business giving him the boot.

    This type of thinking is an everyday occurrence with those on the left, but it’s a sad day, really, when those on the right forget that free speech – even speech we find abhorrent – is for everyone; not just for those with whom we agree.

  11. Angryclown isn’t interested in Hamline as much as in the fact that you wingnuts were uncritically holding Scheffler out as yet another Second Amendment Victim/HeroTM. (Google his name and see for yourselves.)

    I don’t blame Mitch. He’s obviously just a pawn of the “Zionists.”

  12. “So, if I’m following the above comments correctly, it’s okay to deny someone a right based on non-violent political speech.”

    Apparently you’re not, SteveM. The point is that many of you wingnuts rushed to embrace this guy because he agrees with you on guns. (“Oh no, what about his ability to get into law school”) As Thorley’s contribution suggests, you don’t really know enough to judge whether he suspended from Hamline, as he claims, just because he’s a vocal firearms enthusiast, because he has wacky antisemitic views or because he did something concrete to violate the school’s rules.

    Angryclown, the most rational being in the universe, of course, suspends judgement on all of this until more facts are known. But it’s starting to look like you all may have punked yourselves.

    Funny that the only press report you wingnuts have ever discussed without trying to rip to shreds is this one story in City Pages.

  13. The point is that many of you wingnuts rushed to embrace this guy because he agrees with you on guns.

    Having had – and still having – no reason to discount him on the issue at hand, I still do. I suspect I’d disagree with him strenuously on many of his apparent beliefs, but, again, having non-conforming beliefs aren’t necessarily a sign of *danger*.

    Right, Angryclown? Because “thinking weird things” isn’t illegal, right? I mean, I thought you pantywaisted condo pinks were all knotted up about civil liberties after John Ashcroft was sworn in, weren’t you?

  14. Like SteveM you miss the point. Thorley argued persuasively that the story may not be what it appears from Sheffler’s own self-serving account. Sheffler now seems not to be your average working-class returning student, quietly striving to make a better life for himself, as you (with no support) characterized him.

    The e-mail Thorley found doesn’t prove anything. But it suggests your local Second Amendment hero may have a screw loose. Thorley’s right to suggest that you get the other side of the story before condemning the school.

  15. Like SteveM you miss the point.

    No, I got it. Over and over again. You are hopping up and down like a poo-flinging monkey because my “average working-class returning student, quietly striving to make a better life for himself” might believe some wacky things. This was something I knew, at some level, before I wrote about the story (much less before the radio interview).

    And I am, as usual, being true to principle, pointing out that we have no evidence whatsoever that there’s either a crime or anything particularly worrisome about anything he allegedly said/wrote/believed, and certainly nothing we’ve seen that’d rate Hamline’s draconian response.

    Until I know otherwise, that’s how I see it.

  16. Thorley’s right to suggest that you get the other side of the story before condemning the school.

    I condemn the school on basic principle; they’re bad neighbors, and their damn fratboys puke on my lawn and pee in my driveway.

  17. “. . . their damn fratboys puke on my lawn and pee in my driveway.”
    You do realize, don’t you, that you’re talking about future court officers.

  18. Angryclown neither jumps, nor flings poo. The occasional pie, that’s all.

    “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.”

  19. I tried that the other day .

    Then I realized – THAT’S NOT SELTZER.

    Ouch.

  20. Use some to spray the fratboys. They’ll do anything to keep from getting wet, just like cats.

  21. So, if I’m following the above comments correctly, it’s okay to deny someone a right based on non-violent political speech.

    Chuck three points.

    1) We’re not talking about a public institution like the University of Minnesota, Hamline is a private school and like any private party it has the right to set its own rules. The First and Second Amendments (like the rest of the Bill of Rights) only protect individual rights against GOVERNMENT actions and NOT the actions of private parties.

    2) We don’t know WHY this fellow was suspended from school and only have his rather limited and one-sided account. What he’s said doesn’t make sense (I say this as a Hamline student who has never been shy about expressing my views) and there is a lot more that he’s not telling us. I know of several incidents involving student disciplinary issues and in each case, the administration did everything it could to resolve the issue quietly and quickly with the minimum amount of negative impact on the students. Also keep in mind though that like most institutions, Hamline is going to have a lot more restraints on what it can and cannot say while this fellow can spin things however he wants.

    3) As fulcrum pointed on the previous thread, a lot of conservatives seem to be awfully quick to jump on the bandwagon because it fits our pre-conceived notion of how liberal colleges like Hamline act. The original narrative was that he was suspended because he was a CCW proponent who just HAPPENED to also dislike affirmative action which in many conservative’s eyes may make him a fellow traveler. The problem is though that when we dig a little deeper we may find an unpleasant reminder that the Left doesn’t have a monopoly on nuttery and some of our “fellow travelers” would be better dropped off at the next stop.

    Based on these three points I would suggest the following: (1) there is no obligation (moral or legal) to defend someone who was kicked out of a private organization for breaking their rules (i.e. the First and Second Amendments don’t come into play AT ALL here). (2) We don’t know all of the facts and this account only sounds believable is you suspend disbelief and you start from the perspective that you WANT it to be true because it fits the narrative of a hapless conservative student being picked on by the mean old liberal college administrators. (3) If those comments really are his, he’s not a fellow traveler and it would be a mistake to let him because the poster-child for CCW.

  22. Wow, a 4 year old post about Bolshevism. I am guessing that Hamline didn’t consider that in their decision for suspension… We can discuss the alleged hypocrisy of me being Catholic and placing myself subserviant to a Jew (I guess I will have to let Jesus know tonight when I say my prayers) and its relation to a 4 year old post that I really don’t remember writing. OR we can stay on topic. Either way, I don’t mind, I have been pigeonholed and stereotyped before and haven’t had an issue defending myself against baseless attacks. Instead of labeling me a racist, attempt to disprove anything I have ever claimed and let me rebut.

    Oh and by the way, nothing I have EVER written has advocated violence or portrayed violence to be acceptable. How I could be in anyway compared to Cho is a stretch beyond reality. Furthermore, as any classmate of mine would readily admit, I have never been afraid to defend my views or for that matter express them at any time. I will make it a point to respond as quickly as I can to any questions or comments related to actually anything anyone wants; within reason of course.

    By the way, I am hardly a Nazi. In fact, I was kicked off Jeff Shoep’s nsm88.com site for bashing them. I wonder why your search engine didn’t find those posts. Many people want to jump to conclusions on complicated topics, probably because it is easier than holding up a sound argument. Through this whole ordeal both sides of the fence have made some interesting assumptions that are entirely off base.

    If anyone wants to stay on topic, much as suprisingly only the Citypages has been able to do, I would love to explain any Seeing that the Citypages has had my emails from the get go, I wonder why nobody has considered that the definitely left leaning publication didn’t mention anything that they thought was “threatening” in the emails. Which of course is what this is all about, that my emails were threatening enough to warrant an immediate suspension.

    Never fear though, I have given the go ahead for Mitch and Captain Ed to plaster my emails wherever they feel. Unfortunately, I don’t have every email that had been sent for the entire year that I was at Hamline; some of which I cite in the emails that this is all about. I don’t think it will take much to put the pieces together and I would be happy to clarify anything.

    As you will soon find interesting is that Hamline’s President responded to my email inviting me in to discuss my concerns with some staff. Apparently, she didn’t feel the email was threatening at the time. I am suprised Citypages didn’t mention that. Further irony is that I just received an email from Assistant Dean Patti Klein telling me that I can just go to her office on campus to return a library book (No not Mein Kampf… It was How to Run a Constitution: The Legitamacy of the Administrative State). This is the same campus that I am tresspassed from and the same school that hired armed police officers to stand guard over fellow classmates despite me sending other emails clearly stating I wasn’t going to step foot on campus…

    Yes I know there are arguments for and against this incident and trying to interrelate it with the 1st and 2nd amendment. I never actually argued either one although I can certainly see the value in aruing their spirit. I am assuming the best argument related per se to the 1st would be that Hamline isn’t completely a private institution because I am sure they freely accept government grants. Also, I would argue a simple contractual agreement the crux of which Hamline openly advocates; that of tolerance, sensitivity, openness to ideas and opinions etc etc. Apparently, this only applies to the forum rules they apply case by case… Yes, this is the spirit of the 1st amendment and of which they obviosuly don’t respect.

    Anyhow, I have burned enough of my sleep time. I can imagine I am going to have a long day at work tomorrow… When I have time, I will add to this discussion and further explain the reasoning behind the emails and add a few extra tidbits written by other frustrated conservative and liberal Hamline students…

    By the way, shame on you guys for using an unrelated 4 year old post to discredit Captain Ed and Mitch’s judgment! They met me in person and made a judgment; you guys have only seen a 4 year old post and suddenly think you know what makes me tick?? Ridiculous. It is amazing how many people will defend Hamline’s position without a scintilla of the story yet in the same breath condemn me.

    Ahhh, such is life I guess…

  23. Wow, a 4 year old post about Bolshevism. I am guessing that Hamline didn’t consider that in their decision for suspension… We can discuss the alleged hypocrisy of me being Catholic and placing myself subserviant to a Jew (I guess I will have to let Jesus know tonight when I say my prayers) and its relation to a 4 year old post that I really don’t remember writing. OR we can stay on topic. Either way, I don’t mind, I have been pigeonholed and stereotyped before and haven’t had an issue defending myself against baseless attacks. Instead of labeling me a racist, attempt to disprove anything I have ever claimed and let me rebut.

    Oh and by the way, nothing I have EVER written has advocated violence or portrayed violence to be acceptable. How I could be in anyway compared to Cho is a stretch beyond reality. Furthermore, as any classmate of mine would readily admit, I have never been afraid to defend my views or for that matter express them at any time. I will make it a point to respond as quickly as I can to any questions or comments related to actually anything anyone wants; within reason of course.

    By the way, I am hardly a Nazi. In fact, I was kicked off Jeff Shoep’s nsm88.com site for bashing them. I wonder why your search engine didn’t find those posts. Many people want to jump to conclusions on complicated topics, probably because it is easier than holding up a sound argument. Through this whole ordeal both sides of the fence have made some interesting assumptions that are entirely off base.

    If anyone wants to stay on topic, much as suprisingly only the Citypages has been able to do, I would love to explain any Seeing that the Citypages has had my emails from the get go, I wonder why nobody has considered that the definitely left leaning publication didn’t mention anything that they thought was “threatening” in the emails. Which of course is what this is all about, that my emails were threatening enough to warrant an immediate suspension.

    Never fear though, I have given the go ahead for Mitch and Captain Ed to plaster my emails wherever they feel. Unfortunately, I don’t have every email that had been sent for the entire year that I was at Hamline; some of which I cite in the emails that this is all about. I don’t think it will take much to put the pieces together and I would be happy to clarify anything.

    As you will soon find interesting is that Hamline’s President responded to my email inviting me in to discuss my concerns with some staff. Apparently, she didn’t feel the email was threatening at the time. I am suprised Citypages didn’t mention that. Further irony is that I just received an email from Assistant Dean Patti Klein telling me that I can just go to her office on campus to return a library book (No not Mein Kampf… It was How to Run a Constitution: The Legitamacy of the Administrative State). This is the same campus that I am tresspassed from and the same school that hired armed police officers to stand guard over fellow classmates despite me sending other emails clearly stating I wasn’t going to step foot on campus…

    Yes I know there are arguments for and against this incident and trying to interrelate it with the 1st and 2nd amendment. I never actually argued either one although I can certainly see the value in aruing their spirit. I am assuming the best argument related per se to the 1st would be that Hamline isn’t completely a private institution because I am sure they freely accept government grants. Also, I would argue a simple contractual agreement the crux of which Hamline openly advocates; that of tolerance, sensitivity, openness to ideas and opinions etc etc. Apparently, this only applies to the forum rules they apply case by case… Yes, this is the spirit of the 1st amendment and of which they obviosuly don’t respect.

    Anyhow, I have burned enough of my sleep time. I can imagine I am going to have a long day at work tomorrow…

  24. (spell checked version :)) Wow, a 4 year old post about Bolshevism. I am guessing that Hamline didn’t consider that in their decision for suspension… We can discuss the alleged hypocrisy of me being Catholic and placing myself subservient to a Jew (I guess I will have to let Jesus know tonight when I say my prayers) and its relation to a 4 year old post that I really don’t remember writing. OR we can stay on topic. Either way, I don’t mind, I have been pigeonholed and stereotyped before and haven’t had an issue defending myself against baseless attacks. Instead of labeling me a racist, attempt to disprove anything I have ever claimed and let me rebut.

    Oh and by the way, nothing I have EVER written has advocated violence or portrayed violence to be acceptable. How I could be in anyway compared to Cho is a stretch beyond reality. Furthermore, as any classmate of mine would readily admit, I have never been afraid to defend my views or for that matter express them at any time. I will make it a point to respond as quickly as I can to any questions or comments related to actually anything anyone wants; within reason of course.

    By the way, I am hardly a Nazi. In fact, I was kicked off Jeff Shoep’s nsm88.com site for bashing them. I wonder why your search engine didn’t find those posts. Many people want to jump to conclusions on complicated topics, probably because it is easier than holding up a sound argument. Through this whole ordeal both sides of the fence have made some interesting assumptions that are entirely off base.

    If anyone wants to stay on topic, much as surprisingly only the Citypages has been able to do, I would love to explain any Seeing that the Citypages has had my emails from the get go, I wonder why nobody has considered that the definitely left leaning publication didn’t mention anything that they thought was “threatening” in the emails. Which of course is what this is all about, that my emails were threatening enough to warrant an immediate suspension.

    Never fear though, I have given the go ahead for Mitch and Captain Ed to plaster my emails wherever they feel. Unfortunately, I don’t have every email that had been sent for the entire year that I was at Hamline; some of which I cite in the emails that this is all about. I don’t think it will take much to put the pieces together and I would be happy to clarify anything.

    As you will soon find interesting is that Hamline’s President responded to my email inviting me in to discuss my concerns with some staff. Apparently, she didn’t feel the email was threatening at the time. I am surprised Citypages didn’t mention that. Further irony is that I just received an email from Assistant Dean Patti Klein telling me that I can just go to her office on campus to return a library book (No not Mein Kampf… It was How to Run a Constitution: The Legitimacy of the Administrative State). This is the same campus that I am trespassed from and the same school that hired armed police officers to stand guard over fellow classmates despite me sending other emails clearly stating I wasn’t going to step foot on campus…

    Yes I know there are arguments for and against this incident and trying to interrelate it with the 1st and 2nd amendment. I never actually argued either one although I can certainly see the value in arguing their spirit. I am assuming the best argument related per se to the 1st would be that Hamline isn’t completely a private institution because I am sure they freely accept government grants. Also, I would argue a simple contractual agreement the crux of which Hamline openly advocates; that of tolerance, sensitivity, openness to ideas and opinions etc etc. Apparently, this only applies to the forum rules they apply case by case… Yes, this is the spirit of the 1st amendment and of which they obviously don’t respect.

    Anyhow, I have burned enough of my sleep time. I can imagine I am going to have a long day at work tomorrow…

  25. A post “about Bolshevism?” Angryclown’s not one for mincing words either. That was a 40-pound sack of anti-semitic horseshit.

    I don’t know whether or not Hamline dealt with your situation in an appropriate way. That’s a separate issue. And it seems like you may have let yourself in for a lot more scrutiny than you anticipated when you talked to City Pages. If so, that’s a shame. Also a separate issue.

    That post, along with your failure to repudiate it four years later, marks you as an extremist nut. I hope you come to understand that you are wrong.

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