All In Good Fun?
By Mitch Berg
Two weeks ago over on True North, Jeff Peil – who works at my radio station, AM1280 – wrote an article that cast a gimlet eye on “Girl’s State”, an annual mock government exercise sponsored (along with “Boys State” – perhaps two of the last non-coed educational exercises in America) by the American Legion and its Auxiliary.
Peil had gotten an email from a parent who was unimpressed by one of the products of the exercise:
An irate parent forwarded me a handout his 16-year-old daughter received this past weekend at a “Girls State” retreat sponsored by the American Legion Auxiliary.
Juniors in high school are invited to attend these Girls State retreats…While most of this seems relatively non-controversial, this year’s Girls State has ruffled a lot of feathers. This year it was held at Bethel College from Sunday, June 13th – Saturday, June 19th. During the course of the week, the daughter of my “irate” friend sent his father several emails decrying how left-wing the event was. The father dismissed these, thinking he had simply trained his daughter well how to identify leftist propaganda. Little did he realize that his daughter would come home with written proof of the left-wing agenda the group promotes.
Here is an exerpt – read Peil’s piece for the entire list:
Rules for Girls State – 2010
1. Never do housework. No man ever made love to a woman because the house was spotless.
2. Don’t imagine you can change a man – unless he’s in diapers.
3. What do you do if your boyfriend walks out? You shut the door.
And more, in the same post-Sex-in-the-City vein.
Peil:
Now while something like this might be relatively non-controversial for women looking to boost their self-esteem and feminine comraderie, this was not a group of women. This was a group of 16-year-old girls. More importantly, these girls often attend this to have a resume padder for college applications. The highly selective event offers young women an exposure to civics that not every high school girl gets, and thus makes the applicant stand out. I ask you – what does this have to do with civics?
With all due respect to my colleague Peil – without whose talents as a salesman the Northern Alliance would not be on the air – I wonder if he’s watched Congress, or even most of the advertisements coming from Madison Avenue, lately?
No, there’s more to it than that.
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It was about thirty years ago last week that I and about a dozen other guys from Jamestown trekked off to Fargo on a Sunday to take part in Boy’s State. Of the dozen from Jamestown, I think I was picked last – everyone above me had other plans. So I squeaked in.
It was…different. The presenting reason was about civics, of course – but I couldn’t help but thinking that the American Legion had an underlying motive; show us a little of the military life, too. We were organized into eight “Counties”, which were about platoon-sized (and split into a couple of squad-sized “cities”), and led by a “counselor” who happened also to be an NDSU ROTC candidate. These “counties” marched around in double file; we woke to reveille every morning, were shown how to make hospital corners on our dorm beds, had our rooms inspected by a couple of humorless highway patrolmen; minor transgressions rated pushups or minor hazing; being caught with “contraband” – booze, usually, although the list included drugs, porn and smokes – meant being sent immediately home to face the wrath of the local Legion chapter that had, we were reminded, paid our way (which, in a small town, was powerful deterrent; I think I heard of one kid being tossed). We assembled at night for “taps” and to retire the colors, and had “lights out” at 10:30PM.
It was a whirlwind of activity; we divided up into two parties, the “Federalists” and “Nationalists”, by luck of the draw; I was a Fed. We held a county caucus (mandatory) right after dinner Sunday. I spoke; apparently that was all it took to get elected County party chair, which sent me to a 10PM meeting with the other seven chairs; they apparently liked my style, because by the end of my first evening I was the Chairman of the North Dakota Federalist Party.
Score.
The best part? I would get to spend my first couple of days exempt from marching around with my platoon county. I had early – 7AM – meetings every day with other party people; I had to get going early, and I’d gotten half an hours’ work done by the time the rest of my platoon county had gotten to breakfast.
But I also had to run the State Convention the next day. It involved four hours of standing at a podium trying to conquer Robert’s Rules of Order on the fly. And after that? An all-night session of writing a party platform and designing a campaign for the state executive office races…
…the next day.
Now, it’ll come as little surprise that I wrote most of the platform. It SHOULD surprise you that it was so far to the left it would have made Paul Wellstone blanche with horror. And boy, was I cynical; much of the platform was blatant pandering. It was so far to the left that my “enemy”, the Nationalist Party chair, when he came to my college four years later to recruit for the Campus Republicans, recognized me and asked “so are you still super-liberal?” I was a conservative by this point.
But between that and the campaign I designed – featuring a REALLY tight stage production that, yes, did in fact reflect my training in broadcast production values – we did in fact win the governor’s office and nine of the twelve executive offices.
I went on to win an election to the Legislature, and then House Minority leader – all by Wednesday of that busy, crazy week.
And the House met for several sessions. And by about Friday of that week of waking up at 6AM and going to sleep maybe at midnight (good behavior got us some later “lights outs”), some of the debate got a little blue, by PG-rated North Dakota 1980’s standards.
Friday afternooon, someone – a Nationalist, naturally – introduced a resolution calling for the legalization of prostitution in Pisek, North Dakota, in the interest of helping spur economic activity in the depressed little city.
It got debated for close to two hours, and I recall – and then got sent back from the Senate, before going (as I recall) on to get vetoed by the governor; the override survived.
It was by far the most-debated bill in the session. It was probably something none of us told our parents or our Legion sponsors about. It was, of course, the inevitable result of putting a couple of hundred seventeen-year-old boys, punchy from long days and unfamiliar places and lousy food and constant immersion among strangers and strange jobs and strange rituals, into a room together.
And it was probably the most thorough education in how a bicameral legislature works that any of us have ever had.
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One of the Girls’ Staters posted a link to Peil’s article on a Facebook page, and True North got some feedback.
When I read the initial article, I was a little nervous; had the American Legion Auxiliary knuckled under to political correctness?
Emily Schirvar of Stillwater emailed to say not to worry:
In the first place, to accuse the Girls State as upholding “leftist” values is nothing short of ridiculous. As an attendee this year, I can attest that the American Legion Auxiliary’s focus tended more towards the right; I am proud to say, however, that the values we learned there were above and beyond party lines. We learned, among other things, to respect our nation’s flag as a sign of national unity and pride–ignoring our own biases to demonstrate an interest in and vision for the country we all share.
Well, that hasn’t changed…
Additionally, the “proof” mentioned in Peil’s blog is nothing more than misplaced evidence: these “rules” were meant to be a type of comic relief. With very full days, beginning at 7 a.m. and continuing as late as 10:30 p.m., laughs were a way to wind down, and relax for a moment; it would be ridiculous to attach ulterior motives.
And the “rules?”
Had the “irate” daughter been paying attention at the assemblies, she would have realized that not only were the “rules” designed as jokes–not to be taken seriously–but the other rule “verbally read by the group administrator” was not meant to be included at all. Receiving the list from a friend, the administrator simply forgot to proofread. Her embarrassment was sufficient, in my opinion, to forgive that mistake–one that the group rectified by not including it in the Moccasin.
Another participant, who asked not to be identified, supported this:
The list was passed on to our administrator from a friend and she didn’t proof-read the list before hand. The administrator apologized profusely and was quite embarasssed. This is why the “rule” did not make it into the list, the administrator in no way wanted that to be advertised by Girls State or the American Legion.
It is unfortunate that the young woman missed out on one of the most important lessons of Girls State: that our actions have consequences, good or bad, and in order to change the world, we must first arm ourselves with knowledge. Perhaps, had she considered this, she would have had a better experience at Girls State.
Another participant – let’s call her “Participant B” – added:
The girls were not given an option as to which party they belonged to, which provided new insight to those who were in a party that may not have shared the same views as them. Never did the Girls State program endorse one party or promote a certain party’s point of view. The guest speakers’ political views varied. In fact, one guest said she was so right-wing, “she made Rush Limbaugh look liberal.”
As far as the “Rules for Girls State” go, I cannot understand how any of those jokes could be considered part of the “left-wing agenda.” You would be hard-pressed to find a Democrat who believes we should build malls on the moon or that a man’s mind is “too little to be let out alone.” I ask YOU, Jeff Piel: What do any of those “rules” (which are nothing more than jokes) have to do with a left-wing agenda?
Well, there is a certain amount of anti-male baggage with the part of feminism that’s tied itself to the left in America – and if our nation’s high school juniors are unaware of this, it’s either very good news or very bad news – but I suspect that if the American Legion Auxiliary ever becomes a hotbed of this train of thought, our nation will have much bigger problems to deal with.
Schirvar challenges bloggers:
…I have heard about the “evils” of bloggers who neglect to do their fair share of research before acting as “experts” on a topic. It is disappointing, then, to find such a clear example of this occurrence. Although no one asks bloggers to be completely without slant, it would have been more honorable had Peil at least tried to find out about the other side of the story. Far from “leftist propaganda”, as he calls it, the week-long event was an intensive look into how government works–at times the Girls State citizens were asked to put aside their prejudices for the sake of the experiment, and many (myself included) would say that this unique look into new ideas helped each one of us grow as individuals.
“Participant B”:
I’m sad to disappoint you, Jeff Piel, but the American Legion’s Girls State 2010 was entirely non-partisan and completely worthwhile.
On the one hand, it’s not the biggest controversy True North has gotten into. On the other hand, the generation that’s going to be taking things over in thirty years or so is kinda vital.
Thanks for all the response!





July 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
“introduced a resolution calling for the legalization of prostitution in Pisek, North Dakota, ”
I introduced a resolution calling for the lowering of the age of consent in Alaska to 16. It passed by a very wide margin.
July 6th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
So the examples Jeff gives are NOT examples of a fairly radical feminist agenda?
Yes, someone may have been “joking,” but reality is that for a joke to be funny, it must be rooted in…..someone’s idea of reality. The comment “green bellied pigs flying across Atlantis” doesn’t get laughs until someone has a frame of reference to know why green pigs, flying pigs, and pigs flying under the sea would be absurd and, hence, funny.
Put differently, I do not intend to let my daughters be trained to be man-haters, or my sons as woman-haters, even in jest. There is something utterly unbecoming about the Legion doing so–again, even if they’re “just kidding,” it’s a “joke” that tells us something about how we treat the family.
July 6th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Mitch wrote:
“Well, there is a certain amount of anti-male baggage with the part of feminism that’s tied itself to the left in America – and if our nation’s high school juniors are unaware of this, it’s either very good news or very bad news – but I suspect that if the American Legion Auxiliary ever becomes a hotbed of this train of thought, our nation will have much bigger problems to deal with.”
Good grief. I respectfully take issue with this statement Mitch; you are wrong. I could give you a long list of far-right statements from the likes of Phyllis Shlafley that is anti-female baggage, too. Lets just say neither of those – the anti-male or anti-female is typical of right or left ‘feminism’, shall we? Or do you really want to go there?
I can produce a lengthy list of quotes pretty quickly…………
The ‘jokes’ were n poor taste, of the kind that circulates with crummy chain emails; there are plenty of the male variety bashing women as well – near as I can tell holdovers from vaudville or worse, slightly updated. You can find that kind of bad taste everywhere on the political spectrum. Sheesh!
July 6th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
? Or do you really want to go there?
I didn’t go there in the first place. I said that radical feminism is aligned with the left – not “typical” of it. Kleenex is a brand of tissue, but all tissue is not Kleenex. Radical feminists are a classification of lefties, but they are not the whole left.
I can produce a lengthy list of quotes
And that may be Penigma’s biggest “opportunity for improvement”; the belief that quotation (when blown into something far bigger than its original context) equals causation. It does not.
You can find that kind of bad taste everywhere on the political spectrum
Um, right. Which is why I told the story of our rather tasteless debate of prostitution in Pisek.
You did remember that bit, right?
July 6th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I’m pretty sure that noted leftist Sue Jeffers was a featured speaker at Girl’s State as well.
July 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Geez,
I thought the food was pretty good!
Also, Boys State was the birth place of Blitz!
July 6th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Was a party chair at Boys State in New Hampshire, Daniel Webster College, 1974. Maybe I should list this on my resume. Was pretty political, to the extent anything was in the 70s. And I will verify for Mitch — I started my understanding of Roberts Rules that week.
And, yes, Daniel Webster College. Cooler than Franklin Pierce College.
July 6th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Yea, come to think of it the chow WAS better than I expected…
Hey, being Minority Whip was great prep for your career, wasn’t it?
And yeah, I did sorta flash back to the founding of Blitz when I wrote that…
July 6th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Kleenex is a brand of tissue, but all tissue is not Kleenex.
I tend to favor Puffs, but then I also beleive in a healthy turnover of forestry stock.
And I can “produce a lengthy list of quotes” too, if anyone is interested.
July 7th, 2010 at 10:02 am
You are trying to sidestep a point here Mitch that is perhaps uncomfortable for you.
There is a segment on the right that is anti-women, even ‘dominionist’ (women subordinate to male headship). Shlafly is not the most extreme, but I would hope you wouldn’t want Bun believing her biology dictates she shouldn’t consider a career or compete with men in any field that interests her.
“What I am defending is the real rights of women. A woman should have the right to be in the home as a wife and mother.”
or the notion that sexual harrassment is a woman’s fault?
“Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women”
You hung this entire piece on the premise that the left is male bashing. Are you willing to acknowledge that the right is anti-women, at least a segment?
I’m not claiming all of the right is anti-women — you’re not, obviously, any more tha I am anti-male.
But you were willing to hang a whole post on the idea of the left being anti-male. That you only meant a segment seems a little disengenuous for such a leap.
July 7th, 2010 at 10:24 am
You are trying to sidestep a point here Mitch that is perhaps uncomfortable for you.
OK, DG – what you are engaging in here is the evil second-cousin of threadjacking; “Forcing to the Absurd Extreme”.
To put it another way, DG, I notice that your comment – really, all your comments – sidestep the American left, and especially the DFL’s, direct complicity in the Holodomor, the forced starvation of seven million Ukrainians in the 1930s.
The Democratics are understandably queasy about their complicity in this, one of history’s worst crimes against humanity – especially in keeping the western world ignorant about the extent of that holocaust.
So don’t write another word on any subject until you’ve addressed that subject in enough detail to satisfy me.
Pretty absurd, huh? Well, it would be if I meant it (completely). But you don’t have that excuse.
No, DG, what you’re saying is “Mitch, if you and everyone like you haven’t accounted for every absurd perversion and untamed pathology in conservatism – no, not “conservatism”, but in every single individual conservative! – you must not write anything else”.
And that is – I’ll be charitable – utterly absurd.
There is a segment on the right that is anti-women, even ‘dominionist’ (women subordinate to male headship).
So what?
Seriously. Who cares? What does that have to do with this article?
Don’t like “dominionists?” Don’t marry one!
Nothing!
It is an absurd strawman to try against the single party in this country that actually runs strong, independent women for office (as opposed to special-interest puppets like Betty McCollum and Nancy Pelosi).
or the notion that sexual harrassment is a woman’s fault?
“Sexual harassment on the job is not a problem for virtuous women”
So what is with your curious and unsupportable insistence that the fallibilities of a few people equal the policy of an entire movement?
Or the myopia that focuses on these side-show issues while defending a party that tosses “Feminism” aside to defend sexual predators like Bill Clinton and (allegedly) Algore?
Or tosses genuine feminism aside to attack, ridicule and try to destroy genuine women of real achievement, like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Nikki Haley, Laura Brod or other women who break with the herd?
You’re the one with a movement that’s got some ‘splaining to do.
You hung this entire piece on the premise that the left is male bashing.
DG, you need to re-read the piece – or read it for the first time without the pre-conceived narrative. Try again, and see if you can correctly tell us the real premise? Because you got it pretty much 180 degrees wrong.
Are you willing to acknowledge that the right is anti-women, at least a segment?
I will acknowledge that some individuals on the right have attitudes that range from un-PC to, rarely, inappropriate – right after you acknowledge that the left’s attitude toward women ranges from the schizophrenic to the depraved.
Deal?
But you were willing to hang a whole post on the idea of the left being anti-male. That you only meant a segment seems a little disengenuous for such a leap.
Seriously, DG – re-read the piece and think about what you just wrote.
Think real hard.
July 7th, 2010 at 11:52 am
at my Boys State (where I was the State Supt. of Education) one of the chaperones/coaches/advisers/whatever thought it was amusing to use the term “Master Debater” frequently…
July 7th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
The ‘jokes’ were n poor taste, of the kind that circulates with crummy chain emails..
Yeah, did you hear the one about Lesley Stahl, deegee? I hear it’s a real howler at lefty fund raisers!
July 7th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I attended as well and Mitch’s recollections are pretty close to mine. I was a delegate for the Federalists and served as a writer for our newspaper (The Fraternizer – a small protest of the rule against fraternizing with any of the females attending music camp on campus). I didn’t really see it as promoting any sort of political agenda other than support for a constitutional amendment to allow Congress to prohibit flag desecration. Other than that, the resolutions were all over the place and the politicians who spoke (Mark Dayton was our State Auditor at the time) kept their talks focused on what they did for their jobs and trying to encourage the attendees to become more civically active.
July 8th, 2010 at 12:25 am
I am not familiar with this Boys State thing. I think we have the new co-ed PC version of this in high school now known as Youth in Government. It may surprise you all that I had less than zero interest in it and never even attended a informational meeting. I didn’t become political until the Iraq War (I was a sophomore when we invaded) and of course the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign in 2004. And even I was telling people at school that I wasn’t so much pro-Bush as I was anti-Kerry. I couldn’t imagine him being CinC.
July 9th, 2010 at 12:19 am
new co-ed PC version
As opposed to the real, gender segregated government?