“That which is not prohibited is permitted.”
It’s the underlying principle of American law. We inherited it from English constitutional law, which goes back at least 500 years. I suspect it was also Norman law and Roman law, going back more than 2,000 years.
Certainly, there were variations. And subpopulations had restrictions, there have always been slaves or persons treated differently. Religions imposed restrictions. The guilds had rules. But the general societal rule throughout the history of Western Civilization has been to leave individuals free to do as they please, with limited exceptions.
Until last month, when Governor Walz flipped it on its head.
Everything is banned except those few items which are permitted. Every job is banned except those deemed essential. Every activity is banned except those deemed essential. Everything is banned, except.
Hitler didn’t do it. Lincoln didn’t do it during the civil war. None of the Caesars did it.
I’m not sufficiently familiar with non-western Traditions to know about other nations: Mao’s China, Pharaoh’s Egypt, Stalin’s Russia, Castro’s Cuba. Maybe they were all totalitarian states with everything run by whim of the Chief, and everyone bowing and scraping subserviently.
And now Walz’ Minnesota. We still have people commenting on Internet sites, demanding that the boot remain on their faces, insisting that people should be punished for violating the edicts. “No, no; don’t give us any of that freedom, we don’t want it.”
Stunning.
Joe Doakes
If we are smart…
…well, I was about to say “if we, The People, are smart we’ll make damn certain our legislature puts some guardrails around the executive’s emergency power in the future”.
Of course, betting on the wisdom of the crowd usually breaks one’s heart.
But not always. Five years ago, the Second Amendment groups in Minnesota got Governor Dayton to sign a bill forbidding the government from confiscating guns under a “state of emergency”, and foreclosing it from shutting down gun shops unless literally every other store in the state was also closed.
So it can be done.
Will we do it?
We still have people commenting on Internet sites, demanding that the boot remain on their faces
Indeed. Moreover, I was flummoxed to read the only slightly muted joy with which the Little Weasel and Penney were able to report that hydroxychloroquine may not work. Anything – or anyone – to get the Orange Man, I guess.
Yea, Wally the first just moved his goalposts on testing, AGAIN.
I am just floored over the willingness of a larger than expected percentage of the population that is just fine with the outright confiscation and elimination of our constitutional rights, starting with privacy. GW gave us the Patriot Act, but Obama, in collusion with Google and Fakebook initially, but then the rest of the “social media” actors, quadrupled down on it. We watched as due process was restricted based on whether or not you were a member of “the party”. We are now witnessing the most far reaching and egregious misuse of technology in history. As Glenn Beck observed early last year, “If Adolf Hitler had today’s technology, there wouldn’t be a Jew left alive on the planet”. Obviously, an exaggeration, but the point is well made. I never use Google and rarely, if ever, go on Fakebook and I actually tried to cancel my account. But even after threatening to sue them, I can’t get it closed.
@jdm: Hey there’s a guy in Southern California that had Covid-19, went in to the hospital and recovered — Jose Padilla. I have it on good authority that he was eating fish taco’s. Maybe that’s what we should all be eating to save our souls.
Not convinced? It’s about the same level of evidence as there is for hydroxychloroquine.
Fox News reported a VA study of around 400 patients, the findings:
“About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone.” https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-showed-no-benefit-more-deaths-va-virus-study
This is of course a single study and not medically sound but there is anecdotal evidence you are over 100% more likely to die if you follow doctor Trump’s advice.
Where does this leave Peter Navarro? He claimed to be equally inept at interpreting economics studies.
Is it callous to suggest that anyone taking Trump’s nightly rants as genuine medical advice clearly needs medical attention?
The Little Weasel returns to gleefully report that a possible treatment for Kung-flu might not be viable. Yes! High-fives! Because science. And Orange Man Bad.
Lincoln didn’t do it during the civil war.
Yeeaaah, except he did.
In 1861, in order to keep Maryland from her chosen place among the Confederate States of America, Lincoln declared martial law and suspended writs of Habeas Corpus.
SCOTUS Chief Justice Roger Taney declared Lincoln’s actions unconstitutional; Lincoln and the US Army simply ignored him. They could do that because the Judicial system is only as good as the loyalty of the armed forces to the Constitution.
It was the first in a long line of outrages perpetrated by Lincoln. Since history is written, and taught by the victors, many do not know this.
Emery;
Except that there was a huge flaw with that study. First, it was too small. Second, all of the successes with HCQ, were realized when paired with zinc and where pneumonia was present, azithromycin was added for that. Third, 15% of the people that died, had preexisting congestive heart failure. The VA didn’t pair it with zinc.
“Veterans Affairs’ Robert Wilkie on yesterday’s hydroxychloroquine study: “That’s an observational study. It’s not a clinical study … We know the drug has been working on middle-age and younger veterans. And the gov of NY was just in the Oval Office yesterday asking for more”
Just like every other drug out there, the HCQ cocktail works for most, but not all. Trump even said that, early on. If you don’t believe me, just listen to all of the side affects that are mentioned for the drugs advertised on TV.
I do know it, Swiftee. I looked at Lincoln’s record specifically, before I mentioned him, as he’s the closest to an American tyrant we’ve come. But . . .
He did not forbid worship service on Easter Sunday.
He did not close the places where civilians practice target shooting.
He did not outlaw ordinary shopkeepers and tradesmen doing business.
He did not close the schoolhouses.
Lincoln was fighting a war, and he didn’t do any of those things. Walz is fighting a computer model, and he did them all. And fully half the country cheers!
Stunning.
@bosshoss429: One can’t Sharpie an untested drug into safe status.
Is emetic moving his lips again?
I honestly don’t bother reading him anymore, just not worth the time. I get some idea of his drool from your responses to him.
He reminds of the guy always hanging around with you and your friends, at a bar, or the park, or some such social occasion. No one seems to know why he is here, or knows him from some other context. He is always cracking “jokes”, which no one finds faintly amusing, but he is slapping the bar, or his knee, and laughing hysterically. Everyone else seems annoyed, or slightly embarrassed about him.
Maybe if we ignore him he will go away.
kinlaw, look up “gamma” on the socio-sexual hierarchy.
‘He did not forbid worship service on Easter Sunday.” True
“He did not close the places where civilians practice target shooting.’ lol. First of ll, there were no civilian target ranges in 1861; one simply stepped out of the door and popped off a few rounds. But if there were, you can bet the farm everyone practicing would have been snatched up for military service, on the spot.
“He did not outlaw ordinary shopkeepers and tradesmen doing business.” True. But he signed the “revenue act” into law, taxing the “gain derived from any kind of property, or from any professional trade, employment or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere from any source whatever”, for the first time. In effect, he conscripted the marketplace. Years later, this too was found by SCOTUS to be unconstitutional, so Congress simply changed the Constitution via the 16th amendment in 1919.
‘He did not close the schoolhouses.’ Why would he? There were not enough to worry about.
Lincoln trampled the Constitution to serve his needs, Walz et. al. are doing it to serve theirs. Oddly enough, Lincoln’s crimes ended state sovereignty; today, leftist tyrants are invoking it. In both cases, the result was the same, though; citizens got f*cked.
Re: Joe’s point (“That which is not prohibited is permitted.”) – I have worked with community development department (CDD) and zoning code ‘professionals’ who operated under the opposite principle: “Only that which is authorized is permitted.” Very insistent and vested in their belief. Maybe its a civil/administrative law vs. criminal law (PD) thing? I do know it caused problems when they wanted PD help on enforcement actions. PD asks, “What specific law was violated?” CDD says, “It’s not authorized in Code!” Err, what?! CDD were serious as a heart attack, too. Made miserable lots of otherwise good citizens over the pettiest BS. Not shocked to see the same principle at play during the ‘pandemic’ lockdown.
Emery,
Stay in your mommy’s basement. Once again, I challenge your critical thinking skills.
There have been successes all over the world using HCQ and the FDA has approved it for emergency use.
And, check this out:
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/03/13/a-tale-of-two-pandemics-media-downplayed-the-massive-swine-flu-outbreak-under-obama/
But, hey, if you get infected and are struggling for breath, please tell your doctor that you don’t want it, because Trump. Tell him that you will wait for the approved vaccine and line the pockets of Gilead or whoever comes up with the approved version first.
@Still 15% wealthier than Obama left me
This is an easy one — jobless numbers soar again and so does the market. The stock market can rise indefinitely, as long it gets $500 billion of newly minted cash to play with every day.
You are welcome
Interesting, BobbyRay. Thanks.
^ Fuck you. I don’t converse with insects.
Say, Emery, what do you think of the idea of a Personal Debt Jubilee to lift the burden from working families (natural persons only, no business entities)?
Everybody making less than, let’s say, $250,000 per year annual household income, all debts are forgiven. Mortgage, credit card, student loans, hospital bills – gone.
Wouldn’t help the stock market but it’d give the economy a shot in the arm, right? All those people having all that cash to spend?
Remember when unemployed people went buying houses, cars and stimulating the economy with their $1200 saved in the bank causing the stock market to rise to new highs? Me neither.
@ JD: It’s no wonder Sanders dropped out.
All of Bernie’s policies — helicopter money, cash transfer to poor people, destruction of the oil industry are being implemented now, The next stimulus will probably include partial student debt write-offs.
Apparently — Soci@lism is much more tenable under a Trump administration.
I’ve found this too be an excellent resource for reporting HCQ news around the world.
Hydroxychloroquine News
https://twitter.com/niro60487270?s=20
This is of course a single study and not medically sound but there is anecdotal evidence you are over 100% more likely to die if you follow doctor Trump’s advice.
It wasn’t a controlled, clinical study, Emery, and that is exactly what you criticized Trump for when he suggested hydroxychloroquine might work as a treatment. Once again you fail to demonstrate any ability to use reason in forming an argument.
I thought the official state motto here is, “Minnesota: everything is prohibited, except that which is mandated.”
@jdm: Hey there’s a guy in Southern California that had Covid-19, went in to the hospital and recovered — Jose Padilla.
The would-be dirty bomb guy?
This is of course a single study and not medically sound but there is anecdotal evidence you are over 100% more likely to die if you follow doctor Trump’s advice.
Leaving aside the questions already being rightly asked about the context and findings of that study, here’s a challenge for you, Emery: Find one doctor who prescribed hydroxychloroquine because “Orange Man Bad” told him/her to!
Thanks, but the way, for re-affirming my faith in the universe: You didn’t mention Trump once in a thread the other day, so I was concerned you were coming to your senses.
This is an easy one — jobless numbers soar again and so does the market. The stock market can rise indefinitely, as long it gets $500 billion of newly minted cash to play with every day.
With this kind of deep insight into “the stock market”, I hope you’re not investing anyone’s money other than your own. Investors like me love “playas” like you.
“One can’t Sharpie an untested drug into safe status.”
Um, Hydroxychloriquine passed safety testing and was approved by the FDA in 1955.
Well, Emery, since you hate Trump so much, I’m sure that you won’t debase yourself by taking that stimulus money and will promptly return it to the Treasury. Hypocrite.
I’m your Huckleberry, Ian.
There’s a Detroit Democrat (female and Negro to boot) who credits Drumpf for saving her life. She says her doc probably would not have thought of using hydroxychloroquine if Drumpf hadn’t mentioned it and it alleviated her symptoms within hours.
Of course, her degenerate colleagues are outraged…she’s gonna pay (from the Detroit news):
‘State Rep. Karen Whitsett, D-Detroit, broke protocol by meeting with President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence during an April 14 meeting of COVID-19 survivors, during which she credited hydroxychloroquine for saving her life.
“Thank you for everything that you have done,” Whitsett told Trump at the meeting. “I did not know that saying thank you had a political line. … I’m telling my story and my truth, and this how I feel and these are my words.”
“Democrats plan to censure lawmaker who credited Trump for COVID-19 recovery”
“The meeting and other comments Whitsett made prior to and during the coronavirus pandemic have landed her in hot water with the 13th Congressional District Democratic Party Organization.
The group, as first reported by Gongwer News Service, plans to vote Saturday via Zoom on a resolution to censure Whitsett, a first-term lawmaker representing the 9th Michigan House District.
The admonition means she will not get the group’s endorsement for this year nor will she be able to engage in the group’s activities for the next two election cycles.
“At the end of the day, we have political systems,” said Jonathan Kinloch, chairman of the organization. “We have political parties, and political parties exist for a reason.”
The protocol she broke? OrNGE MAN BAD!!!
These people are beneath contempt.
@jdm aka Ricky Bobby
The markets are moving 100% based on how much liquidity the Fed and Treasury pump. Cut that off and the markets will be subjected to a dose of reality.
She says her doc probably would not have thought of using hydroxychloroquine if Drumpf hadn’t mentioned it and it alleviated her symptoms within hours.
I wasn’t aware her doctor didn’t know of it until after Trump mentioned it. But the point still stands, Swiftee: Emery seems to think that these doctors, with years of med school, are just going to prescribe something for a patient because they were told to by a president that doesn’t have a medical degree or license. In Emery’s world-view, it seems these people have no free will are just mindless sheep. With medical degrees. And board-certified.
Of course, the rabid zealots on the Left, especially those with stage-4 TDS, are independent thinkers. /sarc