Mohamed Noor has been convicted of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Justine Diamond, the woman who called 911 seeking help from her Southwest Minneapolis apartment and ended up being shot dead by the cops who responded.
Her death is a tragedy. Her parents lost a daughter. Her fiancé lost a family. Noor’s wife is losing a husband, his son, a father. But that’s not the worst of it. The worst is that the people who created the situation won’t suffer at all, won’t learn anything by it, won’t hesitate to create it again. Because for social justice warriors who count progress by color instead of competence, this tragedy wasn’t even a speed bump on the road to Utopia.
Personally, I blame the police policy of putting the finger on the trigger when drawing a handgun. I suspect the rationale is a cop is only supposed to draw when the threat is immediate and lethal, but it leaves a cop at the mercy of his response to adrenaline. And that can be pretty uncontrollable.
The analysis there is not correct…. Betsy Hodges had her political career ended. Janee Harteau had her career ended. There’s also some pysch analysis and HR people peripheral to the recruitment track whose incomes have been affected. More things will happen when the city has to pay the estate $30m.
I do doubt the accelerated program is going away. They’ll probably have less hesitation to wash people out of it though.
I’ve done an honest investigation into the subject, and the overwhelming consensus is that the average IQ in Somalia is 68.
It doesn’t matter what you teach a LEO candidate with that kind of IQ; they’re mentally incapable of absorbing anything more than the most rote functions.
I wonder. How many Somalis have parlayed all of the subsidy and assistance America has given them to do something productive? How many engineers, skilled tradesmen, doctors and business owners (not smelly convenience stores) has that population produced?
I did a quick search, and found this guy who has a physician’s assistant license. Story says there are 2 in MN.
That’s great, but it’s only 15% of the number of muzzy terrorists that have come from MN. Just what are we getting out of the deal?
Going all the way back. I believe that Noor should have never graduated the academy, but was allowed to because he was Somali and they desperately wanted a Somali on the police force in Minneapolis and they fast tracked him. He wasnt qualified to be a police officer and was a pure affirmative action move by the city.
I’ve done an honest investigation into the subject, and the overwhelming consensus is that the average IQ in Somalia is 68.
Thats what will happen after a dozen or so generations marry their cousins, its Idiocracy Islam syle.
POD, or their brothers.
^ Now, that’s unfair. She didn’t ‘marry’ her brother, it was done as a mere student loan scam…
The standard should be exactly the same for a police officer and a private citizen with a conceal and carry permit, police shouldn’t get any special treatment.
Imagine a legal gun owner doing this, whatever you think the punishment should be for that legal gun owner making a mistake the same exact punishment should apply for police officers.
I don’t agree, John K. A few of the “rats”, the more visible ones, got caught and suffered some consequences. On the other hand, Betsy went on the be a Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy Political something and Jeanette is now an inspirational speaker with her own website.
On the third hand, JD’s assertion is, as far as I’m concerned, directed more at those people who supported and backed up Hodges and Harteau. I’m sure they’re all still there licking their wounds and wondering why bad things happen to such good people as themselves and their policies.
And I agree with Mitch: that trigger finger policy is nuts.
I will watch the upcoming civil trial with great interest. The judge rightfully restricted the criminal case to just what happened in the incident itself. The civil trial will bring up how and why Noor was even in that car, and given that the family is Australian (except for the fiance), I’m thinking they have no real interest in preserving or protecting the system in Minneapolis. Why settle out of court when you can achieve justice by dragging everything into the light. Hodges and Harteau will have to testify, and several cops who were in authority, including the sergeant who was first on the scene and practically convicted Noor in the criminal case with her own testimony and incompetence.
^ Bennett and Mr. Ruscyk will settle, there’s not going to be a civil trial
Yes, the city will not suffer, but taxpayers will take it in the shorts. That’s fairness for you. I’m glad that Harteau and Hodges got the boot, although I’ve got to point out that neither is suffering–Harteau is now the president of law enforcement tech company Vitals, and Hodges spent a semester lecturing at Harvard.
But that said, I’d personally be satisfied if the city actually learned some lessons from these ordeals. Keep the finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire, yes, and then you’ve also got the question of whether all that array of technology in the center of a police cruiser is doing any good. If you get distracted and shocked when somebody comes up to say hi, it’s at least debatable.
And I am anticipating being disappointed for obvious reasons.
NW, I agree. If Noor was a average white guy he would have flunked the academy and never been a PO. The civil trial could get very nasty and make national news because of their policies.
But that said, I’d personally be satisfied if the city actually learned some lessons from these ordeals.
Maybe they’ll give their future diversity hires the Abdi Fife treatment. One bullet; keep it in your shirt pocket.
Other than that, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I was you. The reprobates running Mpls don’t even acknowledge they give sammi’s special treatment.
If Noor was a average white guy he would have flunked the academy and never been a PO.
No, if Noor was an average white guy he would have passed legitimately, and kept his misbehavior limited to accepted corrupt LEO practices.
[snarf]
No disrespect, John, but suing the city and caving into lawsuits is an industry in itself, part of the lawyer/government industrial complex.
The more the city pays, the better it is for everyone involved….except the taxpayers.
Bennett and Mr. Ruscyk will settle, there’s not going to be a civil trial
I think that’s right. And knowing the score, the legal team representing Justine Diamond’s family will start negotiations by asking Mssrs Bennett & Ruscyk how much the city currently has in it’s general operating budget for the next biennium.
^ The city’s standing self insurance account is reported at almost $100m.
Around the country police wrongful death suits have been settling for $5m give or take. Damond’s family and their lawyer Bennett have a more invincible case here than anyone’s ever had. The damage claim they’ve made is $50m.
They’ll probably take $20m in a settlement, maybe a little more, maybe a little less.
In 20 years, the citizen majority in Mpls will be demanding the name of lake bde mka ska be changed to لك جهاد
There’s no reason to have high regard by comparison for the pd hires that are ex suburban high school second string free safeties who don’t have the aptitude to complete a decent trade curriculum at votech. See example: Matthew Harrity
There’s two things that went on here, and a low aptitude diversity hire is one of them… Noor functioned and took his cues from the laziness, obtuseness, and fecklessness of standard cop culture.
They’ll probably take $20m in a settlement, maybe a little more, maybe a little less.
Wouldn’t it be something if, as part of the settlement, Mpls was forced to publicly admit their diversity program was a direct contributing factor in the death? If I was a taxpayer, I’d almost say that would be the financial price of settlement.
Noor functioned and took his cues from the laziness, obtuseness, and fecklessness of standard cop culture.
Agreed.
^ That’s in the suit that was filed, but they are not going to get a statement of anything from the city… just a monetary settlement.
So, this is something that’s in plain sight, that its was a diversity hire gone bad, but there will continue to be a speech barricade around it at places like the Strib. Exactly like Ilhan’s brother marriage.
Once the third degree murder charge gets thrown out on appeal, Noor will probably serve less than 2 years on the assault charge.
^Emery: It’s possible it gets thrown out on appeal, but I think that’s less a sure thing than the crowd of cop-thumper lawyers that has been quoted in the press.
It’s not really important that Noor does 2 years instead of 8…. it doesn’t matter, as this is less a murder charge than typical murder. In his cosmic defense, it really was an accident (…but not an accidental discharge…).
It’s a very big deal that that a “graham v connor cop feels imminent danger and has immunity” defense lost at trial.
I dont think its fair to paint all LEO as corrupt Swiftee, like all jobs there are good apples and bad apples. Painting the 5-15% that are admitedly the way you describe as every single one isnt right.
Here’s how I look at it POD. Not every cop is a corrupt, lying, scumbag but every cop knows one that is, and says nothing.
I know some guys get into it with good intentions, but after a couple years stewing in the slime, they either learn to ignore it, join in, or quit. I know this from personal experience, as I have family that still are, or were cops (to my eternal shame).
I’d put the ratio of good cops to bad on any large PD no more than 20% at any given time. The rest have issues of one sort or another. Best advice is; avoid them at all costs. Say nothing when you have contact with them.
Outside of a smile and casual conversation when I see them at a sporting event or concert I dont interact with them. Because Im this crazy thing called a law abiding citizen.
That’s in the suit that was filed, but they are not going to get a statement of anything from the city… just a monetary settlement.
And an agreement not to release or speak of any of the terms…SOP.
^ I agree with that.
Its ‘nice’ to think that merely 5-10% of cops are bad apples. The insight given to us by the Damond investigation was, every cop that spent time on the scene was lazy, incompetent, and / or completely self-interested. We’re talking 10 out 10 people say such that their behavior was described in reports and testimony.
I don’t think that an NDA is a useful part of the settlement. Its just that further discovery is nixed such that it matters (because a lot of this stuff should be available via open records requests such that the city complies with that in a meaningful way).
And the settlement amount is…. $20m
http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-agrees-to-pay-20-million-in-death-of-justine-ruszczyk-damond/509438812/
Sure wish I could argue with those who are suggesting it’ll be handled out of court with a huge financial settlement and no institutional learning…..and in such a world, I have to wonder about whether Swiftee et al are indeed correct about the intellectual and other abilities of too many officers. In their support, the city of New London, Connecticut (infamous for the Kelo decision, yes) got a circuit court to sign off on an upper intelligence limit for applicants to their police academy.
If police work were just being meter maids and speed trap operators, that might make sense, but I have to wonder how many heinous crimes are going unsolved because those tasked with solving them simply aren’t up to the task.
You might be a law abiding citizen, Prince of Darkness, and you might live in the safest neighborhood in Minneapolis, and you might only call the cops when you hear a disturbance outside. But when the cops arrive and you go out to speak with them . . . . .
That’s the truly troubling aspect of this case. If it wasn’t safe for the dead woman to call the cops, the rest of us wonder if it’s safe to call the cops to protect us. And if not, then why do we have them?
The underclass already hates cops. The rich look down on them as uniformed thugs, suitable only for keeping the underclass in line. The middle class has always been the cops’ bulk of support but cases like this undermine that support. If we, as a society, decide cops aren’t worth the risk, then what?
In their support, the city of New London, Connecticut…
That story made me laugh. Thanks.
Fair point JD, its actually one of many reasons I want to get back to the suburbs in 2020 hopefully and never, ever, return to the cities. To live at least.
You might be a law abiding citizen, Prince of Darkness, […] when the cops arrive and you go out to speak with them . . . . .
Nicely played.
At your service, jdm. The case occurred in 2008. Sad thing, again, is that most murders and rapes aren’t solved. Think it might have something to do with using officers as meter maids and speed trap operators, and prohibiting smart people from joining the force and becoming detectives?
If the priority is getting budgets, the current system makes sense. If the priority is finding and punishing criminals, it does not.
And if Minneapolis doesn’t get some serious soul-searching done on how their policies may have led to this atrocity, hopefully some day residents will wake up and throw the bums out on their heineys.
The “diversity project,” along with AGW theory, will never be given up by the elites.
Neither idea is scientific. Neither can be shown definitively to be true. There is no convincing evidence that diversity makes us stronger (one wonders who the “us” is in this statement).
Diversity and AGW are like the Ring of Sauron. If they have it, they have everything. If they don’t have it, they lose it all.
Uh-huh, but it is not like you are talking to the Maytag repairman.
In this case, the cops were responding to a call where there was report of a suspected sexual assault. Since it was not a reported date-rape, the attack was assumed to be violent.
Okay, that does not mean that the cops should shoot anyone who approaches the car – but you as a citizen and a rational human being should know that you are stepping into a dangerous situation.
So… like in any traffic stop.
– Keep your hands visible.
– Telegraph your moves.
– Be respectful.
– Be cognizant of how the cops might be perceiving you.
– And actually……don’t go out and talk to them, especially in the dark. If they want to talk to you, they will knock on your door.
“Best advice is; avoid them at all costs. Say nothing when you have contact with them.”
and never, ever offer anything in an attempt to be helpful.
also if you’re ever in a vehicle accident do not make affirmative or negative statements about what happened, just say you don’t remember clearly and you are pretty shook up and think you might be in shock. The reason to say nothing is every modern vehicle has a black box that captures the last few seconds of info about what your car was doing and both cops and insurance companies download this data and use it.
Mac, the hardest thing I have getting through to people is the idea that the cops job isn’t necessarily to help you; it’s to collect evidence for prosecution.
Oh sure, they may stop some poor underprivileged youth from bashing your brains in while stealing your shoes if they happen along in time, but when they chase a robber, they’re not trying to get your stuff back, they’re building a case for prosecution.
People have to remember that *any time* they talk to a cop, they are giving information/evidence that a cop will record for use in any later prosecution. And if you talk to them, and what you say doesn’t help their case they have no problem filling it in with what “they heard” rather than what you said.
That’s why my rule is to say *nothing*. Not “Hi” not *what’s the problem*, because “what’s the problem” becomes “F#$k you” in the report…I’ve seen it many times. Give them the required documents: Say nothing.
No Soci@list…but moderation. Oh well, I was on a roll there for a second.
And the settlement amount is…. $20m
Nailed it John K.
JK, just a student loan scam?! Omar also violated immigration laws, although she claims to have been divorced from her husband, she may have still been legally married to him, therefore she’s guilty of polygamy, which is illegal in every state. Any of these should have disqualified her for public office, but look at the duck and cover job the Democrat propaganda wing did on the whole affair. Now, the ungrateful b word, who got out her third world crap hole and enjoys all the benefits of America, seeks to destroy it. She is a disgrace to the state and even the drooling sycophants in CD5, should be concerned about her radicalism. I have been to other Democrat enclaves around the country over the past few months and even other Democrats ask me, “what the heck is wrong with you people in Minnesota, electing someone like her!?” We haven’t been this ridiculed since Jesse Ventura was elected.