The DFL is getting nervous about crime; their line has morphed from “We ARE tough on crime!” to “The other guys are no better”.
Dane Smith’s editorial parrots the execrable Paul Krugman; both of them are utterly, unforgivably wrong.
“Red” states with crime problems have one or more of the following factors in common:
1) They have one or more large cities, usually Democrat-controlled. Tennessee has Memphis. Louisiana has NOLA. Alabama has Birmingham. Even in Minnesota, if you leave out Minneapolis and Saint Paul, the violent crime rates are almost European level.
2) Scots-Irish culture, exacerbated by centuries of poverty driven by the servitude culture that led to “white trash” culture. Dueling, honor killing and violence as an accepted part of life are still fairly routine down south. They were even MORE routine when the South was Democrat. They were, in fact, routine before the US was a nation. It’s why parts of rural South Carolina and Louisiana are as dangerous, *per capita*, as Chicago.
Krugman and Smith ignore a couple of vital facts.
1) Yes, *Conservative* policies *do* curb crime. 30 years ago, New York City was one of the most dangerous cities in America. They elected Rudy Giuliani, who replaced social justice mewling with law enforcement – and made NYC a place you could take your kids to. He wasn’t the only one; Jersey City elected Brett Schundler 30 years ago, and nine years of his very conservative leadership turned Jersey City from a crime-riddle hellhole to the jewel of the Jersey side (for a while, anyway).
2) Why do neither Krugman nor Smith point out that places like the rural, hard-red West have crime down around European levels? “But empty land doesn’t have crime problems”, some innumerates may reply – but we’re talking *per capita rates*. Still, they make a point – cities have pathologies that lead to crime. And they are overwhelmingly blue. Correlation? Causation? I don’t know – and it’s for certain Krugman and Smith don’t.
3) “Red” policies DID work, already, in Minneapolis. In the late ’90s, the city went from being among the nation’s most dangerous to a fairly safe one for close to a decade and a half, ENTIRELY due to diliegent law enforcement, including cracking down on career criminals. (Were there excesses? Absolutely. That’s the hard part – given a choice between public safety and ethical police, CHOOSE BOTH, NO EXCEPTIONS .
4) Whatever you can say about “red” law enforcement, “blue” law enforcement has been a failure…EVERYWHERE. In large part because they believe, in Lisa Bender’s words, that public safety is a “privilege”.
So – if a Democrat says it, and it’s about crime in particular, it’s a lie. There’s no way to pretty that up.
Smith and Krugman are trying to deflect the gullible. Do not let it work.
Dueling, honor killing and violence as an accepted part of life are still fairly routine down south. They were even MORE routine when the South was Democrat. They were, in fact, routine before the US was a nation. It’s why parts of rural South Carolina and Louisiana are as dangerous, *per capita*, as Chicago.
What in thee hell are you babbling about Merg?
While I’m all in favor of bringing dueling back, it’s illegal in every state in the US…including backwater Southern states. Violence in the South has something in common with violence in the North, it’s the same group doing it; blacks. I watch the local news every night, I’ve seen video of blacks shooting at one another in the street, but that’s not dueling, and I’ll be got damned if I ever see a “Scotch Irish” face connected with a street shooting, or robbery, or assault.
Fact is, the #1 crime White’s are convicted of in the South is drugs; possession thereof…just like it is in Minnesota.
And pray tell, where, exactly are those dangerous rural South Carolina areas? You need to tell me right away, because I just bought a bunch of acres in rural SC….am I in danger?
We got runnin’ water down here now, Berg. And flush toilets, too…yup, we’re *almost* civilized.
With that out of the way, I’ll also observe that leftist slobs like Dane Smith never, ever admit that it is leftist controlled, shithole cities with significant numbers of black residents where all the violence is happening.
You take Columbus, Atlanta and Macon out of Georgia, and the murder rate drops to background static. Same for Alabama and the Carolina’s and Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas and Missouri (yeeeaaaagh!).
Mitch is just chanelling his ignorance about the south. It is infinitely safer in buttfuck, LA for anyone who is not involved in a family feud than for a hapless tourist n MSP.
Also, you presume anyone pays attention to krugman. Anyone? Anyone?
And also but not least, DT Houston is a shithole as is Austin and Dallas which are all controlled by libturds. So you don’t have to go to libturd states, the diff in republican states is actually more stark.
There’s nothing left of Portland but a smoking crater, right? Seattle is just radioactive rubble where the living envy the dead?
I was standing on the street in Minneapolis recently and the ash was up to my ankles. There are liberals chasing me with sticks of compressed WIC cheese.
Get off the agitprop drip, sport.
HAaaaaaaHAHAAHAHA! Oh rAT, you miserable wretch. We saw what you did there; picked the 2 leftist shitholes with the smallest black populations. What about Idaho, rAT? Hahahahaha!
We also know that you avoided mentioning that both those shitholes recently burned, both have areas that become no-man’s land whenever leftist terrorists are protesting that new outrage and both have huge, stinking tent cities full of drug addicted slobs.
How about San Francisco, rAT? Good thing no one is measuring the amount of shit on the sidewalks, eh?
What an asshole, you are.
i think mitch is refering to historical violence
the north and south were settled by different ethic groups with different cultural tolerances for violence
the hatfields and mccoys were not pennsylvania quakers
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emery was recently in minneaolis
yeah right probably at the carrie underwood concert
more cops there than fans
his safari into the wilds was perfectly safe therefore anybody who says mpls is lawless is lying
thats like the women protest march to take back the night, always held at 2 in the afternoon on st anthony main near the fancy coffee shops never at 2 in the morning a block from sex world on washington ave
I remember Anthony’s Wharf being a nice upscale restaurant back in the before days…
Baaed on the new piece in the Atlantic urgeing us to forgive and get along with those who lied and abused their power during COVID, and the responses to it, including a NR response. Walz, Ellison, and the rest of the Minnesota COVID powers should be subject to tribunals, not reelection.
rAT squeaked: “There’s nothing left of Portland but a smoking crater, right?”
Portland set a murder record last year. Is there anything you ever get right, rAT?
No, Bigman. Mitch says : “Dueling, honor killing and violence as an accepted part of life are still fairly routine down south.
It was an ignorant, incorrect statement.
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Historian Grady McWhiney wrote of this in Cracker Culture and the economist Thomas Sowell expanded on the theme with Black Rednecks, an analysis of black adapting the scots-irish traits of “pleasure seeking, distrustful of education and institutions, proud to the point of being violent, sensual, and lazy”
Keep in mind that prior to northern migration of southern rural black in the middle to late 20th century, the violent, no-go, crime-ridden neighborhoods of most urban centers were dominated by the Irish, Italians and Jews.
I mean, Five Points and Hell’s Kitchen were not black or even Swedish neighborhoods.
– And speaking of Scandanavian, how come Meyer Lansky wasn’t an immigrant from Stockholm, or Boss Tweed a guy who hailed from Oslo?
We all know that the old German ladies who scrubbed the sidewalks in front of their houses in 19th century Milwaukee, concealed razor-blades under their skirts, least a French cop shake them down for their opium money.
The only logical explanation for these violent red-neck, hillbilly, Southern Italian or brutish drunken Irish ways – were that they were all secretly black who were passing as white.
Yes, that is right. Al Capone was a soul brother.
Or maybe the actual explanation for urban violence is that it takes several generations for rural violent culture to wear off. The disadvantage that modern urban blacks and Puerto Ricans, as well as some recent immigrants from south of the border have – is government policies of dependence and fatherlessness that locks them in place and slows cultural progress.
You can find violent people everywhere, even in rural Wisconsin.
Whatever Sowell and McWhiney were writing changed dramatically after ww2.
The primary behavior associated with violent crime is the use of drugs and alcohol.
Exactly, but the point being that it took 200 years….in the U.S.
Note: the Northern Irish plantations were founded by the Brits because the “Scots” living along the border between England and Scotland were so rowdy that the power that be banished them to what is now Northern Ireland.
More importantly, sub-cultures evolve.
While you still might find crime-ridden Irish neighborhoods in Whitey Bulger’s Boston and Italian mafia run areas of New York and New Jersey, you are not likely to be beaten up by Irish or Sicilian thugs in Saint Paul – but that is a change.
On the other hand, certain sub-cultures like “the travelers” are closed communities that resist outside influences.
In the final analysis, time heals all wounds and the inner-city violence of today will be no more than a historical curiosity in 100 years.
Uh-huh, but one can draw a direct line between the “broken windows” tactics that reduces crime to the riots of Fergusson and Minneapolis.
Put simply, the “broken windows” theory is based on the idea that a broken window is a symbol of urban chaos and the breakdown of civil society, so if the police focus on quality of life enforcement by saturating neighborhoods and vigorously enforcing the law, the law breakers will scatter.
While this works like magic, and no kidding, it does, it also alienates people who are not criminals who have their lives turned upside down by “police harassment”.
Think of it this way.
Imagine you live in an area where there is a lot of bars and you work third shift weekends. To combat drunk driving, the cops saturate the neighborhood and stop as many motorists “for cause” as they can.
On weekend one, on your way to work late in the evening, you get pulled over for “changing lanes without signaling”. The cop checks you for sobriety, but still writes a ticket. That is a moving violation.
On weekend two, you get pulled over and ticketed for “not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign”. Another moving violation.
On weekend three, you get pulled over and ticketed for “excessive lane change”. Yet another moving violation.
Three moving violations and lose your license and your future insurance goes through the roof.
To make it all worse, a city manager notices the sudden spike in traffic ticket revenue and says, “Hey Guys, this is great, let’s ramp it up!”
So the folks in your neighborhood are being shaken down and screwed over – while the folks in Eden Prairie are living the life.
Kind of makes you want to burn something down.
Thomas Sowell expanded on the theme with Black Rednecks, an analysis of black adapting the scots-irish traits of “pleasure seeking, distrustful of education and institutions, proud to the point of being violent, sensual, and lazy”
Freed slave, South Carolina legislator, judge and author William Hannibal Thomas did it better, in 1901.
“The American negro is in a low state of social development, with no clear sense of his degradation or of progress from it. He is self-content; with ideals grounded in his senses and excited to activity by physical causes. The Negro is also in subjection to an inheritance, wherein the mental disposition, vocal expression, and physical action of parents are largely transmitted to their children, and in which there is a visibly entailed ancestral instinct for what is coarse, vulgar, and vicious in life. He is lawless by nature, and renders at best but perfunctory obedience to lawful requirements.”
“with no clear sense of his degradation or of progress from it”
See also: Twerking. Not a Scotch Irish tradition
I can see Greg’s point about excessive traffic enforcement, but I would hope that there is a nice midpoint between our current status–few officers on the streets and letting rapists and murderers off with minimal or no bail–and the distopian traffic enforcement he notes. Maybe take Officer Friendly off traffic patrol until the serious crimes are seriously investigated.
And that was downright laudatory compared to contemporize opinions of the Irish and Scots-Irish.
Keep in mind, that while the Harlem Renaissance was in full swing and black musicians were creating Dixiland, Ragtime, Blues and Jazz, Snuffy Smith, Lil Abner and his Scots-Irish kinfolk were occupied with marrying their mothers and sisters, feasting on skunk and possum stew while swilling it all down with unaged white lightning.
While I am a fan of Charles Murray and The Bell Curve which purports show people of African descent having a slightly statistically significant lower IQ than whites, his methods lacked the resolution of DNA. In other words, while it is possible that different races have differing IQ, it is just as likely that ethic groups have the same differences.
We all know that the Scot-Irish, Irish and Southern Europeans are not that bright and GOD KNOWS don’t get me started on the slavs.
I mean, if one wants to dive down the rabbit hole of block-headed bigotry, why not go the whole way?
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Stopping cars in high-crime neighborhoods is the best way to reduce incidents of gun violence and drug-dealing.
On the other hand, Philandro Castile, a man with no criminal record and a permit to carry, was stopped 56 times.
Maybe if officer friendly could check his F’ing computer before pulling someone over. The owner and their criminal history are immediately available when a cop runs a plate.
What kind of thought process does it take to hit “Post Comment’ on something like Emery’s 12:10 PM idiocy above? Is it possible that they are OK with the crap that’s been going on in Portland, Seattle and, to a lesser degree (I hope & assume) in Minneapolis? Or are they just going for the textbook definition of ‘inane’?
Greg ventured: “Stopping cars in high-crime neighborhoods is the best way to reduce incidents of gun violence and drug-dealing.”
Dude… You were just pontificating on the dangers of stopping cars in high crime areas.
Did you forget, or are you drunk?
Greg continued: “The owner and their criminal history are immediately available when a cop runs a plate.”
Dude… you still thinking they’re not driving a car they just dragged some 60 year old Democrat out of?
Seriously: sit down.
Say, Bikebubble? Pedo Joe’s handlers sending US troops into Ukraine to keep tabs on the shit they sent: yeah, or nah?
BLADE, I WILL USE CAPITATL LETTERS AND TYPLE REAL SLOW SO YOU CAN TRACE YOUR FINGER ALONG AS YOU STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND SIMPLE THINGS.
PULLING CARS OVER IN HIGH CRIME NEIGHBORHOODS IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO SUPPRESS GUN CRIME AND DRUG DEALING, BUT IN THE CASE OF PHILANDRO CASTILE, IT GOT AN INNOCENT MAN KILLED.
THAT KINDA PISSES PEOPLE OFF.
AN EASY WAY TO NOT PISS PEOPLE OFF IS FOR THE OFFICER TO KNOW THAT THE CAR IN FRONT OF HIM/HER HAS BEEN PULLED OVER 56 TIMES WITHOUT FINDING OFFENSE AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD POLICY TO LEAVE THE CARE THE F’ ALONE.
56 times without finding offense is a lie
“When Philando Castile saw the flashing lights in his rearview mirror the night he got shot, it wasn’t unusual. He had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years in and around the Twin Cities and given citations for minor offenses including speeding, driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt. He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show . . . Court records dating to 2002 show Castile, a 32-year-old school cafeteria supervisor, averaged more than three traffic stops per year and received citations for misdemeanors or petty misdemeanors. Many charges were dismissed, but Castile pleaded guilty to some, mostly for driving after his license was revoked and driving with no proof of insurance. However, those two charges also were the most frequently dismissed, along with failing to wear a seat belt.
just curious, greg, how many times have you been caught driving after revocation
can you beat his total fine amount i cant
not exactly a model citizen
who looks exactly like the bank robbery suspect
and reached for his gun
You missed the critical point, but you made mine. The purpose of stopping cars in high crime areas is to search vehicles for guns and drugs and thereby suppress the carrying of said items in cars for fear of being pulled over.
Which does wonders to reduce the homicide rate. It is why the 90’s CODEFOR program worked as referenced by Mitch above.
That was the policy and that was the purpose.
The policy and purpose was not to rack up as many traffic violations as possible and force people who were not criminals and had no criminal records to pay thousands of dollars in fines and lose their licenses.
In Fergusson and in Minneapolis, the program evolved into perverted mess because the fine revenue was just too delicious for city managers to not gleefully encourage.
The policy should simply be, if the purpose is to suppress guns and drugs, do not ticket, unless a safety factor is involved….like blowing past a school bus.
That “who looks exactly like the bank robbery suspect” is a steaming pile of bull crap. Supposedly Officer Yanez had the presence of mind to notice that guy in a car had “a wide set nose” similar to what was in a grainy photo from a robbery earlier that week, yet he did not have the presence of mind to register that his computer told him that the driver was in his 30’s and had no criminal record.
Now maybe “in his 30’s and had no criminal record” doesn’t mean much to you, but anyone who even scored a ‘D’ in a required criminology class knows that the odds of a profile like that robbing a gas station are up there in the lottery zone.
Philandro Castile might not have had the best of habits or dressed in GQ fashion but he was a taxpayer who neither deserved to be fined into poverty or murdered in his vehicle.
we do not share the same world view greg
you say a career criminal doesnt deserve fines
you say a guy pulling a gun on a cop doesnt deserve to be shot
you say you know the facts and result better than the jury
it must be nice living in utopia where everything is perfect
the rest of us living here dont have that privilege
down here the policies you demand cause real crime real heartache
but maybe i just dont understand since i never got a d in a criminology class
how does the license plate tell you anything about the driver
it tells me about the vehicle owner who may or may not be the driver
the cop doesnt know the drivers record until he runs the drivers license but you cant reach that point if the driver pulls a gun on you
i hope to god you are never on my jury you would be a terrible juror you are making the mistake of including hindsight and media speculation with what the officer knew in the few seconds he had to react to the deadly threat and then blaming society for the actions of the guy at fault
Didn’t you write the following above?
Yanez even claimed he recognized “the nose”.
So when the plate is entered into the system, the DMV returns the driver and the driver’s license photo. So, in other words, eagle-eye Yanez could see Castile’s nose and equate it to a days old grainy photo from a gas station security camera, but in your point of view, he could then NOT recognize the driver as being the guy in the photo flashing two feet from his own nose?
Give it up.
Just to hammer how the point.
Officer Yanez knew that Castile had a valid carry permit. The mobile computer in his squad told him that. Hence there was no valid reason for Castile to produce a copy of his permit which is what got him killed.
A: Castile had no criminal record.
B: Was of an age where the possibility of going bad was off the charts.
C: That Castile was vetted for a carry permit.
D: Had a valid permit.
E: Probably had a weapon in his car.
The whole thing should have gone down differently.
Careful there, Bigman…don’t make Greg go full boomer and tap the caps lock again. He’s totally serial; capice?
Yanez could see Castile’s nose and equate it to a days old grainy photo from a gas station security camera
I wasn’t aware that digital security camera videos degraded at all, less had expiration dates of just a couple days. *snicker*