37 thoughts on “Empty Holsters. Full Preconceptions.”

1. Which of the quotes comments do you consider “deeply deranged”? Why? #2 seems a little hyperbolic but the rest seem fairly normal. Two of the six explicitly grant some merit to the opposition point of view.

2. Good thing you didn’t advocate for teens carrying guns, I mean, ‘you never said anything about teens” College students typically aren’t teens.

3. I’ve felt for years that post-secondary academics are particularly ill-suited to “dialog”; too many of them are used to carrying on extended monologues – the irony of that comment is infinite.

   Your entire blog, in many ways, your entire existence is nothing short of a monologue on your own view of how the world SHOULD be, even when facts show your desired approach to be flawed. You eschew dialogue, ignore facts that counter-balance your stance, and willfully disregard reality whenever it suits you. You refuse civil discourse, and grow petulant and incenced when treated in the manner you treat your critics. My God, if you feel that way about post-graduate (and I assume you mean post-graduate rather than post-secondary, but who know’s .. since PHD is post-graduate- college BA/BS is post-secondary in normal lexicon) – anyway if you feel that way about post-graduate studies, my reaction is ‘physicker, heal thyself.’

4. More school idiocy:
   http://www.twincities.com/ci_9032295

   Because, you know, it’s too much to ask administrators to use their common sense.

5. You eschew dialogue, ignore facts that counter-balance your stance, and willfully disregard reality whenever it suits you.

   As opposed to, y’know, you…

6. I find that on issues like concealed carry, the Left consistently defaults to the belief that people are incapable of behaving properly and need to be controlled.

   Heres a quote from the new book: The Liberal Mind by Lyle H. Rossiter
   Modern liberalism rejects, to one degree or another, the competence and sovereignty of the common man and subordinates him to the will of governments run by liberal elites.

   Mitch, I would love to hear you interview him on the NARN sometime.

7. Yeah Mitch, actually almost entirely as opposed to me. My conduct, in terms of being willing to have fair and frank discussions, is light years further ahead ethically. So yeah, as opposed to you. The one area you won’t get me to agree with you on in regard to our conduct is that I’ve been a peer to you on willingness to have actual discussion, actual focus on the point and reason for the issue, and finding a solution, rather than focusing the discussion on only the narrow points, or getting all gleeful about typos, or missteps – in truth Mitch I take no pleasure in pilloring you – but I don’t make assinine claims of no fault, no flaws, and I KNOW that I’ve stepped over the line, and unlike you I admit it freely, and apologize freely, BUT, the one area where we’re ENTIRELY not the same is that I don’t spin things in ways that are unethical, don’t ignore both sides wilfully, I don’t give in to my baser nature and revel in it.

   So, yeah Mitch, as ENTIRELY opposed to you.

8. Rick, come now, you know full well that the left gives credit to the opposing view, and the right refuses to, but that makes the left deranged, clearly.

9. peev,

   You tried the teen argument before, on the other thread. Your head was fairly handed to you, in a rhetorical fashion there, as no one, not Mitch, not SCCC is advocating changing the laws with regard to the issuance of carry permits. For Minnesota, and SCSU, that means that NO teenagers will be legally carrying on the campus. Your teen argument is a strawman, easily disassembled.

   The permit age is 21.

10. Peev, who sucks up and under
    Attempts to steal Mitch’s best thunder
    Each comment thread
    Seems to go to Peev’s head
    As to his points, we can only just wonder.

11. Peev, Mitch’s commenting tart
    Seems to think his comments are art
    When in fact, we all know
    How much Peev, he doth blow
    The man should just go eat a fart.

12. Fart munching should be Peev’s life goal
    It could fill the empty part of his soul
    That’s somehow assuaged
    By being enraged
    As Mitch’s longwinded commenting troll.

13. I’m on a conference call that won’t end
    I’m not listening, but I can pretend
    It’s still much preferred
    To the world of absurd
    Shit that the Peev’s ever penned.

14. Peev, we all know, doesn’t read me
    As a human, he finds me unseemly
    Tea and crumpets, I’m not
    Yet I’m exceedingly hot
    “Sexy?” the chicks ask. Oh, extremely.

15. One last limerick before concluding this call
    I must say again how much Peev sucks the balls
    His comments, though lengthy
    They stink, rather strengthly
    Whilst his logic never fails to appall.

16. Yossarian pens
    Limericks at Peeve’s expense
    Audience laughter

17. Mitch, you ought to have a limmerick Friday, or maybe a monthly limmerick competition.

    Y has a pretty consistent level with a strong volume. His meter’s usually quite good, too. (Oh, er… that sounds a bit rude!)

18. Yossarian claws at Peev’s hide
    his log-winded comments deride
    This mocking the banter
    of anti-Mitch ranter
    Perhaps should just let the rants slide

19. Peev slags-off Mitch for joy
    Yoss says Peev’s just a boy
    Then Kermit comes in
    Declares his chagrin
    And decides to be a killjoy

20. Kermit can understand meter
    with limericks he’s not a cheater
    he gets the words right
    while avoiding a fight
    unlike a fellow named Peter

21. An artist cares not about meter
    It sounds metric, much like a liter
    Over time I have found
    I prefer inches and pounds
    See that fat chick? What should I feed her?

22. Loren,

    Mitch hiding behind rhetorical claptrap is bad enough – he openly advocates for students carrying weapons, college students to be clear. Very clearly as well, many many of them are teens.. for that matter, the majority of undergrads are.. and if we throw in those that aren’t yet 21 (meaning the 20 year olds) then the great majority of undergrads can’t carry.

    It was Mitch who was careless enough not to clarify, it is Mitch who persists in advocating for ‘students’, if he means only those over 21, then he needs to say “Students over 21″… that said Loren, after having him (and others) behave like such childish churls, I don’t tend to read much of his/their responses because it’s a collosal waste of time.

    Mitch is responsible for what he rights, and he’s responsible for the tone of the blog. If he wants to improve it, it’s simple, start booting turds who contribute nothing to the discussion but just seek to demean it into yet another moronic little flame war. Flash has the balls and class to stand up for his friends, Mitch.. otoh.. well. let’s say it doesn’t happen much.

    If I missed Mitch making that clarification – then my apology to Mitch, but candidly, rather than being an ass about “not having mentioned teens” he could easily have dissarmed the point by simply saying “I mean people over 21 only, and I wasn’t clear about it” – which he wasn’t. When you advocate that students should be armed (college students) it’s a pretty easy conclusion that you are advocating for those under 21 unless you say otherwise, but as always, for Mitch, it’s take no responsibility for his own lack of clarity.

23. Btw, Loren, it’s been a really really long time since I had my ‘head handed to me’ by these fools. The last time I recall was when I misunderstood a news article to be real, that in fact was parody. The irony is that it was certainly believable conduct by the people named, and these fools didn’t grasp that irony. Yet, I admit it freely, I was wrong.

    Contrastingly, these dunderheads get thrashed routinely, by me, by AC, by Rick, so much so that they seem to have a bunker mentaility about everything. It’s too bad too, because it would be ok to have a real discussion sometime. Ah well, more’s the pity.

24. Could we get back to the point? Regardless of who mis-spoke and who was unclear (let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who) . . .

    . . . Peevish, are we in agreement that anybody who’s legally permitted to carry a firearm should be allowed to carry it on-campus?

    Obviously, that will limit the pool of gun carriers to seniors, grad students, faculty and staff, because those are the people eligible under the current minimum age of 21, but hey, freshmen can’t have cars and must live in the dorms, so age-appropriate distinctions are already in place.

    Do you think that should be the law?

    How about you, Rick?

    .

25. BTW Paul, you looked like an ass last time, are you looking to look like one again.

    Let me recap for the viewing audience.

    12:00 p.m.Paul – Peev you claim that you criticize the left, prove it. You’re just like all the other lefties, make shit up, no class, no integrity.

    12:30 Peev (who actually works during the day, unlike (apparently) the citizens of Lilliput) – Bite me Paul, I don’t know you, nor do I care what you think

    12:31 p.m. Paul -See See, i knew it, See.. he’s making it up, See..

    2:00 p.m. Peev – Sheesh.. what a jackass – ok Paul, here’s an example (pastes in a post) –

    2:00 p.m. +30 seconds – Paul – THAT’s not good enough, give a link, liar, liar, jagoff liar.

    3:00 p.m. – Peev – bite me Paul –

    3:00 p.m. and 10 milliseconds – Paul – you won’t do it because you’re chicken, and a liar, jagoff

    4:00 p.m. (again, Peev works) – Paul – fine, here’s the link, where’s the apology for calling me a liar (and other things).

    4:00 p.m. +1 second – Paul – it’s your fault you jagoff, you should have immediately posted whatever I wanted and not wasted my time.

    5:00 p.m. – Peev – yeah, ok..

    5:05 p.m. Peev posts a Hiaku excoriating righty idiots like Paul – one far more clever than Paul has dreamed of writing.. at any point in his life (btw, Paul, that’s not really true, I posted it on another thread, but since we’re living in fantasy land with you I figured I’d put in my own little spin).

    Get a life weasel. You’ve joined Yoss on the “fools to be happily ignored” page. If you don’t like what I say, you are free to not read it – go to another blog, do whatever… but let’s be real about the whole ‘understanding’ thing, eh. You’ve not quite ever understood anything it seems, including your own conduct, for a while now.

26. A Peev comment looms dark like a thunderhead
    In the opinion of this Peev-proclaimed dunderhead
    He claims victory
    When it’s easy to see
    His mewlings get squashed like old Wonder Bread.

27. Wow. The irony of Peev telling ANYONE to get a life, followed by the instruction to “go to another blog,” is chokingly thick.

    Peev, be honest now: you think this is your blog, don’t you?

28. 5:05 p.m. Peev posts a Hiaku excoriating righty idiots like Paul – one far more clever than Paul has dreamed of writing.. at any point in his life
    Now that is effing funny.

29. “Btw, Loren, it’s been a really really long time since I had my ‘head handed to me’ by these fools.”

    Yeah, that would only be whenever you post a comment.
    I also noticed that Mitch didn’t rule out students who are deceased. So you want dead people to carry guns? He also didn’t rule out the crazy, violent, mentally ill, bi-polar felon students. Clearly he means to arm them also. Plus since he never said a word about them, he supports their right to terrorize campus. What a bastard.

30. “I can just see it now: a grading complaint. Both the professor and the student put their guns on the table, and then begin the conversation.”

    Yes, that why that just happened………uh, never.

    “I know that the opposition would say that “dangerous criminals and armed killers” would still be armed, but I like the odds better if fewer students are “carrying”–especially those young people whose good judgment is not yet in full blossom.

    Wow. Really? I want to play poker with this brainiac. Clearly an expert on odds.

    Odds on surviving classroom visited by armed, no guns allowed sign ignoring maniac vs surviving classroom with armed adults who have qualified for concealed carry.

31. Yeah, that would only be whenever you post a comment.
    Be nice. Peev might have his cranium confused with his gluteous maximus.

32. It was Mitch who was careless enough not to clarify, it is Mitch who persists in advocating for ’students’, if he means only those over 21, then he needs to say “Students over 21″… that said Loren, after having him (and others) behave like such childish churls, I don’t tend to read much of his/their responses because it’s a collosal waste of time.

    Peev, you magnificent imbecile, if you bothered to read Mitch’s response after your “What test” screed, you would have found his clarification:

    You advocated students carrying guns on college campuses

    WRONG! For the seventh or eight time; I advocated legal permit holders carrying. Students (over 21, in MN), staff, it matters not.

    when exactly weren’t there teens involved?

    When teens weren’t deemed eligible under Minnesota law to get carry permits.

    Once again, your flame board err… blog, degenerates into insult barrages rather than having anything like a real discussion.

    Which would mean a lot more if you didn’t follow it up with…:

    So Mitch, let me use small sentences – what age do you think people are generally competent to have a conceal and carry permit – on campus or off.

    Let me write in words with one syllable (oops); what the law says. 21 years old. That is all. There is no more.

    You freely admit it’s a statistical irrelevancy, and my point wasn’t that it doesn’t carry weight and lead to stupid laws, but, again as you ignored, it’s that you INSIST on NOT talking about anything that might make you GOP’ers look bad – but back to the point of the discussion, which both YOU and your boot-lickers willingly sidestep – what age, what test?

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    The law.

    The. Law.

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    It’s a serious discussion, I assume you agree since you’ve put out about 400 posts on the topic, so rather than just throw flame, what do you propose FOR COLLEGES – where teens go – you know, the teens you never suggested having guns.. but actually DID suggest it??

    What the law – the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law – says.

    The logic you all use is, to put it politely, conveniently obtuse when you want it to be.

    Peev. The law.

    Mitch then followed up with this comment address directly to you:

    Peev,

    Let me help you get around the logical fallacy that is gut-shooting your argument.

    Above, I wrote (consistently with everything I’ve written on this subject) with emphasis added by me:

    “These zones – where the law-abiding citizen, whether student or staffer, is enjoined from carrying a legally-permitted firearm that they have a permit to carry for self-defense.”

    Having a permit necessarily means being a law-abiding citizen and meeting the criteria for issuance – of which a minimum age, either 21 (in most states), or occasionally 18 or 19, is a part.

    So your little tangent about arming teenagers is rendered false with a simple reading of what I actually wrote.

    Got that, you stupid asshat?

    If you are incapable of simple reading comprehension, that’s not Mitch’s problem.

    That is yours, jagoff.

    And if you don’t like the insults, too f******g bad. Learn to comprehend what you read, you mealy-mouthed mothaf****a.

33. I just developed a man-crush on Paul.

34. Contrastingly, these dunderheads get thrashed routinely, by me, by AC, by Rick

    Is what reality altering method you are using legal?

    It was Mitch who was careless enough not to clarify, it is Mitch who persists in advocating for ’students’, if he means only those over 21, then he needs to say “Students over 21″

    To quote Mitch from the posting: protesting against the forced disarmament of law-abiding, carry-permit-holding college students and staff while on most American college campuses. He was quite clear, your strawman protestations not withstanding.

35. Paul and Loren eviscerated Peev more comprehensively than I would have.

    Peev – you need to drop the “Mitch didn’t rule out teenagers” bit. Seriously

36. Peev,
    I also openly advocate for students and faculty who have valid carry permits being allowed the choice of self defense.

    When I look at the examples given by the faculty, I see a common denominator that the faculty seems to have overlooked. They all happened in “Gun Free” zones.

    I am very much in favor of the empty holster protest. It harms no one, doesn’t disrupt classes, and hopefully will get the faculty thinking.

    Unfortunately, far to many faculty members at to many institutions have a knee jerk reaction to self defense.

37. Yeah, they’re overly defensive… so much so, they’d prefer to give up their rights. They also want to give up the rights of others, too.

    Just like the liberty-hating Peev.

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