Shot in the Dark

Kind Of A Drag

Let’s talk about drag shows.   Not the current hot-button politics of the whole genre today.  Just the “art form” itself.  

I don’t care for them.

No, not because it involves men cross-dressing. Guys wearing dresses and wigs to play a role? Mitch, please. All the female parts in Shakespeare’s day were played by cross-dressing men. Monty Python and Kids in the Hall were cross-dressing decades ago, and at least on the surface they did it for the same exact reason as drag shows do; Entertainment.

Which is the crux of why I don’t care for drag; it’s entertainment – and it’s just not entertaining.

To me, anyway.

Oh, I’ve tried. I’ve had friends who say “give it a chance!”. And I did. And I just…don’t…care.

Part of the problem is it appropriates [1] “burlesque”. And burlesque, as a genre, bores me stiff – especially the modern version of it. It’s not that I “can’t relate” – one of the points of art is to learn to relate to things that aren’t part of your life, or to get better insights on things that are *or* aren’t parts of your life. Art should challenge you, and I actively seek out art that is different from my personal status quo. I’ve learned a lot, and grown as a person, for the effort.

Just not from burlesque. Or drag, for that matter.

As far as drag shows showing school children a window to that culture? Fair enough. We have a lot of cultures; some involve snake-handling, debutantes, monster truck rallies, soccer, “Real Housewives”, ultimate fighting, eating ghost peppers off the vine, and drag racing. I personally can tolerate, even respect several of those cultures without feeling any need to learn more about them than I do, but this isn’t about me; in the interest of raising well-rounded children, shouldn’t we also let them participate in in-church 24 hour prayer vigils, three-gun shooting competitions and Turning Point USA rallies? Give them a view into lots and lots of cultures? Have your people call my people.

I mean, as far as culture goes, in for a penny, in for a dollar.

Of course, the current fracas isn’t about exposing kids to different cultures; it’s about undercutting the dominant culture.

Of course, drag has existed for well over 100 years; it’s a political subject to day, because none of its current hot-point status is about “exposing children to culture” for its own sake.

Just for purposes of argument, let’s forget for a moment that drag, like the burlesque of which it is a minstrel-show version, is inherently sexual in nature; all of the tropes of burlesque were ways to play peek-a-boo with the sexual mores of the Victorian era, and Drag is an “ironic” homage to that era, around the claim that men with “alternative lifestyles” today have to be as sly and coded about their preferences as the straight world did 150 years ago. Which, given the near supremacy of “alternative lifestyles” in today’s dominant culture is itself just a tad preposterous [2]. Saying it’s not a primarily sexual art form is like saying burlesque is nice and chaste; it’s preposterous, and would get you laughed out of any room not controlled by lunatics manifesting a social agenda.

Don’t be a moron.

But I set out to write about a genre, not a political fracas, and it’s to there I’ll return; you wanna dress up and sing? Go to it! No need to save me a seat.

[1] And no, that’s not an ironic condemnation; if you’re not from a tribe that’s been isolated in the New Guinea highlands or Amazon rain forest for thouands of years, your culture is appropriated.

[2] Indeed, if modern culture continues as it is, I can see the “drag” of tomorrow being guys who dress in jeans and dungaree shirts, singing Hank Williams Senior-derived music about women of the biologically opposite sex. It’d be sooooo transgressive.


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26 responses to “Kind Of A Drag”

  1. SmithStCrx Avatar
    SmithStCrx

    I’d honestly like to hear a supporter of children attending drag shows to explain the DIFFERENCE between drag and merely cross dressing. I’d largely define the difference is the sexuality aspect, with a smaller difference being the over the top aesthetic. I agree with you Mitch that Drag is inherently sexual in nature, making it inappropriate for children to attend. Cross dressing, which is basically limited to men wearing women’s clothing these days, is mostly just a fashion I don’t find appealing, but I don’t view as having the same inherent sexual aspect making it inappropriate for children to be exposed to. I also tend to think that Fashion Shows are not places for children, irrespective of Harry Styles in a dress or not, because the Fashion Industry has turned their shows into, at best, soft porn.

  2. John "Bigman" Jones Avatar
    John “Bigman” Jones

    Thinking back, it’s remarkable how little I knew about the personal lives of any of my grade school teachers. I cannot recall them giving any hints as to their political preferences, their pets, their favorite foods or vacation places, and certainly not to their sexuality (although everybody suspected the band teacher was light in his loafers, nobody made a big deal of it, least of all him).

    Why does the present cadre of ‘educators’ feel compelled to share their personal lives with their students? Why do we let them?

    I’m seeing a parallel to the pedophile priests in the Catholic Church. Why’d you let them in? Why didn’t you boot them out?

  3. mjb003 Avatar
    mjb003

    The first drag story hour that I heard about was in San Francisco. There, it almost makes sense. It surprises me that it has grown beyond that, mainly because I wouldn’t have thought the general population would actually go for something like that. But, people just may not know. I once worked for a nursing home in which the activity director took the residents on a field trip to a burlesque show. She thought it was an old time thing that would bring back fond memories. Most of the residents had no clue what they were going out to see, they just enjoyed the idea of getting out. Well, the burlesque show was what a burlesque show is, and the activity director was embarrassed and uncomfortable during and after. She suddenly learned what burlesque meant.

    In another part of my life, I used to book entertainment at a venue that allowed all age shows. There was a group of drag kings who performed once a month. Not as flashy as queens, but the same concept. The group made it clear that their show was NOT an all ages show and was for adults only. Respectable, though it was decades ago now, so wonder if their thoughts have changed at all since then.

  4. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis

    I would imagine that these days, if you put on drag shows, most of your money comes from one part of the government or another. Who do you think came up with the idea to put on drag shows for kids? The parents?

  5. nerdbert Avatar
    nerdbert

    Apropos all this, I think you’re missing the real issue. The real issue isn’t drag shows. I seriously don’t care about or for them.

    The issue is children and who has the right to command your child’s exposure to subjects to which you object. The who support drag story hour have always had the ability to organize one and expose those who supported that for children to them. What has changed is that you are supposed to support exposing the subject to children and lose the ability to shield children from those sexually charged subjects.

    Seriously folks, if drag story hours are ok, why is one from women strippers not?

  6. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis

    It is difficult to imagine a drag show with women caricaturing men (yes, I know they exist). But it would be odd. Unlike women, men aren’t ornamental in a way that can be consistently parodied.
    Consider, for a moment, the idea you must have of what it means to be a woman to appreciate a drag show. It is all the artifice that women use to attract men. A drag queen is literally the male imagination, exposed. Exaggerated makeup, exaggerated, impossible hair, exaggerated mannerisms, clothes that imitate the clothing worn by a hooker. Everything is there except the actual woman.

  7. Bill C Avatar
    Bill C

    I’ll cross post my comment from Mitch’s FB post for those who don’t do FB:

    Don’t ask why we need to subject children to drag shows and other sexualized content. Ask why those who put on drag shows and push other sexualized content are so intent on subjecting kids to drag shows and other sexualized content.

    It can be answered in one word: grooming.

    Unlike Matthew Crowder and his “change my mind” meme, you cannot change my mind on this one.

  8. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis

    Grooming certainly is part of it, Bill C, but I think the ideological heft behind the idea is to erase gender differences. It has long been a truism that while working class and poor people seek the magnify the gender differences in their children, bourgeois parents want to minimize them.
    There is also a bit of manichaeism in the mix. There is a belief among many people that we are a pure spirit occupying a corrupt body, and transsing can be seen as the victory of this pure spirit bringing the corrupt body to heel.
    I think it’s absurd, if you stop puberty you don’t get an eternal child, you get a physically grotesque, unhealthy adult human being.

  9. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    “I’m seeing a parallel to the pedophile priests in the Catholic Church. Why’d you let them in? Why didn’t you boot them out?”

    I think there’s always been a bit of faggotry in the RCC, Bigman. Bit along with Vatican II, came the notion of ‘celebrate homosexuals’ being good fodder for the priesthood. It turned the seminaries into gay bath houses, and soon enough, those fags moved their way into the hierarchy.

    Today, they’re running the show in many major diocese.

    There never was ‘pedophile’ problem in the RCC; it’s a pederasty problem. That, along with several other issues is what has driven me from the Church, irrevocably.

    Mjb003, that drag show was a place called ‘Finochio’s’. It was in the sex district on Broadway st. As a waif, I lived in SF for a year, and everyone knew about Finochio’s, but it was never thought of being like the titty bars or the peep shows. It was where adults went to see an odd display, and laugh.

    Finally; “As far as drag shows showing school children a window to that culture? Fair enough.”

    No, Mitch. Just no. Your even handedness is becoming a parody.

  10. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    celebrate homosexuals = celibate

    I hate autocorrect

  11. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    “ No, Mitch. Just no. Your even handedness is becoming a parody.”

    I can explain the backhandedness of that line in context of the paragraph that followed.

    But I can’t understand it for you.

  12. nerdbert Avatar
    nerdbert

    @Vlad The idea of the celibate homosexual goes back quite a bit farther than Vatican II, to St. Augustine at the very least. Considering Augustine’s Confessions, there’s considerable evidence that he was very familiar with and shared the Greco-Roman view of homosexuality, only to reject it after his conversion and to command celibacy in same-sex lovers.

  13. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    Talking about drag is a drag.

    Instead, let’s all listen to Elon Musk ask a wretched BBC reporter if he likes ‘BBC’.

    THIS is how to properly use “don’t give a fuck” money.

    https://twitter(DOT)com/CryptoHub210/status/1646053117513826306

  14. golfdoc50 Avatar
    golfdoc50

    Here’s an idea: I propose that musical institutions create a new breed of performers and bring them to kindergarten, primary and secondary schools, and the world in general. They will be tall, have large chest volumes and extremely high vocal registers, like sopranos, only better. All we need to do is identify boys who identify with this and surgically remove their testicles before puberty. What could possibly go wrong?

  15. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    Berg countered:”I can explain the backhandedness of that line in context of the paragraph that followed.”

    OK, let’s look:
    “We have a lot of cultures; some involve snake-handling, debutantes, monster truck rallies, soccer, “Real Housewives”, ultimate fighting, eating ghost peppers off the vine, and drag racing. I personally can tolerate, even respect several of those cultures without feeling any need to learn more about them than I do”

    Please describe where the singular goal of one of those cultures is clearly the demise of Western civilization, specifically, by reducing its children to mentally Ill, physically mutilated side show acts.

    Some things are not “Fine” in any way, shape or form. This is one of them, and IMO, diminishing it’s corrosive effect is the same as supporting it.

  16. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    Thanks golfdoc. Castrati are a timely reminder that the RCC has a long history of outrageous conduct.

  17. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    You’re right nerd. But the widespread acceptance of homosexuals within the RCC is a fairly recent thing.

    I remember reading an article in Playboy from the 70’s (I only looked at them for the articles), entitled “Fear of Faggotry”. It was an eye opening exposé by a seminarian who ran screaming from the church after only a few months in the seminary because it was a charnel house.

    I read it in the early 80’s, and it really effected me, because at the time I was quite devout, but had been hearing stories of abuse becoming more frequent among parisheners. I asked a Carmelite priest who was quite close to my family about it. He confirmed the stories, but added some wise counselling.

  18. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis

    In the 18th century the English musician Charles Burney investigated the castrati while traveling in Italy.
    I inquired throughout Italy at what place boys qualified for singing by castration, but could get no certain intelligence. I was told at Milan that it was Venice; at Venice, that it was at Bologna; but at Bologna the fact was denied and I was sent to Naples. The operation most certainly is against the law in all these places, as well as against nature; and all the Italians are so much ashamed of it, that in every province they transfer it to some other.

  19. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis

    For the amusement of Vlad:
    A castrato by the name of Cortona petitioned to be allowed to marry since his castration had been badly carried out and he was fit for marriage. Pope Innocent XI read the letter and wrote in the margin, “let him be castrated better.”

  20. AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis Avatar
    AI Ultra Maga Mammuthus Primigenesis
  21. jdm Avatar
    jdm

    I never knew that that song by the Buckinghams was a such an ear-worm. Curse you, Mitch Berg.

  22. Mr. D Avatar
    Mr. D

    jdm on April 14, 2023 at 8:33 am said: Edit
    I never knew that that song by the Buckinghams was a such an ear-worm. Curse you, Mitch Berg.

    Don’t you care. . . don’t you care.

    It’s getting all WLS up in here.

  23. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    The thing that comes to mind is the newspaper of record’s article noting that “Drag Queen Story Hour” had become far less popular when it was renamed (more accurately) “Man in lingerie wants to spend time with your kids hour.”

    (paper of record is of course The Babylon Bee)

    On another note, I just saw very interesting information out of England, where apparently the “trans identifying” have a rate of sexual assault about 6x that of other men. Now some of these are probably “male identifying as male” sex offenders who have figured out they’ll be in a less dangerous prison if they claim to be trans, but either way, it illustrates the problems with opening up bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons, and athletics to “go in as you identify.”

    https://twitter.com/Hogshead3Au/status/1646728308531294211/photo/1

  24. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    Some things are not “Fine” in any way, shape or form.

    If you think that “fine” was anything other than sarcastic, you’re reading something I didn’t write.

    This is one of them, and IMO, diminishing it’s corrosive effect is the same as supporting it

    I don’t disagree.

    And I’ve said as much elsewhere.

    I came not to rip on Trans culture’s corrosive influence. I came to say I don’t care for drag as an “art form”.

    No less, little more.

  25. Vlad the Impaler Avatar
    Vlad the Impaler

    “If you think that “fine” was anything other than sarcastic, you’re reading something I didn’t write”

    Really? I don’t think so. Listen Mitch, you can’t spend 20 years bending over for leftist fuckwads “Bob Collins isn’t so bad”, and then expect the regulars to suddenly read between your newfound “conservative ” lines.

    A very influential man in my life once said: “Be who you are, and don’t budge when they start throwing rocks”.

    It’s how I have always rolled.

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