This is an open thread for all the random dick-measuring y’all wanna do. Like arguing about the Holocaust.
An even on which this blog has been crystal clear throughout its history, if you happened to read any of it.
Or branch out and flame away over whether Van Halen is “Metal” or “Hard Rock”. Knock yourselves out.
The conversation — one of the most comical threadjacks this blog has had since “Dog Gone” was fumigated – will not metastasize into any other threads. I need say no more.
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You’re going to have to be less oblique that that. If it’s an inside reference, someone else has to be in on the joke.
“As to the notion Hitler would have left the Jews alone if we hadn’t entered the war? I mean, read Mein Kampf ”
Mein Kampf documents Hitler’s pathological hatred of Jews; no question. And I never questioned whether he hated them, or killed them.
But I do think it’s possible he would have allowed them to leave, unharmed, as part of an negotiated peace.
My suggestion is based on several documented facts.
1. Hitler didn’t want to fight the West. He said as much in the proposal he sent to Churchill in 1940 *after* his crushing defeat of the BEF. Hitler agreed to move his forces out of Poland, France and Czechoslovakia, and to de-militarize several sea ports.
2. Hitler hated Communism as much as he hated anything. He would have done anything to see Stalin crushed.
1 – And you BELIEVE that? Fuck you are more retarded on this subject than the resident trollbots.
As for your fervent anti-semitism, go visit Yad Vashem and ask a curator how they came up with the number of the dead. And then tell that survivor they are full of shit. I DARE YOU! But then you will do it ’cause you THAT depraved.
OMFG, alternate history with Hitler as provoked is the best SiTD.
Top notch critical analysis from those righties, I tellya.
I’m running a few errands in the village for the next hour Mitch, lest you think I’ve turned tail having not responded to something in 4 minutes.
Lighter posting today — it’s time for docks and lifts. 😎
Many people unfortunately are ignorant of the Holocaust, but to be aware of it and deny the numbers? That’s intentional hatred — pure and simple.
By allowing Swift’s unique views and comments on SiTD it appears the editor by default supports such nonsense. The Supreme Court ruled that Illinois couldn’t stop Nazis from marching in Skokie (a Jewish neighborhood). Perhaps MBerg is following their lead….
Fuck you Kraphammer. Cry more.
Joe, what is this anti-Semitism of which you speak?
Potato Head: “Docks and lifts” hahahahhahaaha. You pathetic moron.
Joe = spellcheck jpa
“Later posting today“
Well, it is the weekend, and I rarely if ever post on Saturdays or Sundays, and generally haven’t for close to 17 years.
Quote it appears the editor by default supports“
You’re gonna wanna stop right there. I have refuted that, over and over again, for literally two decades on this blog.
By the way, your thread jacking. All holocaust to talk goes to the other thread.
“The best SITD”
You ascribe this to the blog again, and you will be gone, for real, and for good. Along with every comment you have ever made.
I allow way too much latitude for my own good. But I have limits, and you just ran way across one of them
No, the obliqieness was necessary under the circumstances.
Seriously – one commentor writes some thing. I, and an entire series of regular commenters, disagree with him vocally and articulately (along with your thrashing and flailing), Along with my 20 year history of doing much, much more to articulate the true history of the holocaust and you, let’s be honest, ever will.
But the revisionist theory is “the id” of this blog?
I think people who call you stupid aren’t giving you enough credit. I’m starting to think it’s a personality disorder.
I wanna talk about the ACLU getting $1.6 million for the rioters that burned DC down during Trump’s inaguration.
^^ Well if it’s good enough for Zuckerberg..
Why focus on intent? If Swift spreads a bald face lie, believing it to be true does not make it so; it’s still false. If your intent is benign or malevolent, it doesn’t matter.
Turns out no matter what someone intends, the Holocaust happened as did the numbers. Why allow such falsehoods to proliferate?
Truth does have value, facts do have value. But in today’s America they can’t seem to stand against the onslaught of lies and conspiracies that have been given incredible visibility and correspondingly inflated veracity by blogs and other social media platforms.
“Good enough for Zuckerberg”
Not the dumbest deflection of the day, but right down there.
If someone says a bold face lie, and I refute it here and throughout the history of this blog?
Game over.
If Swift’s out here spreading lies, someone should stop him. That’s your job Tater.
By the way, Emery; take it over to the “romper room and “thread. I’m about to delete all of your thread jacks on this post.
By the way, to settle some alternate history that’s going on here; the “id“ of this blog and comment section is:
Your host, a classical liberal, fiscal conservative, social libertarian and legal constructionist, writes his opinion (and, sometimes, reporting)
People respond and discuss in the comment section. By the nature of blogging and audiences, that comment section is largely conservative.
Sometimes, people dissent from the dominant view. And then, the residents of that comment section – some of the smartest people I’ve ever known, including at least one MD, a couple of engineers from a variety of disciplines from electrical through software, a couple of lawyers (and, in years past, a very pseudonymous judge), A former cop or two, an economist, a couple of accountants, a literal rocket scientist, one of the most over the top polymaths I have ever encountered, and a variety of other smart people, dispense with that dissent, generally politely, almost always with an overwhelming weight of evidence and expertise.
That’s the “id“ of this blog. Not to mention the ego and really, really super ego.
“Truth does have value”…jfc
Good luck with those “lifts and docks” Tater Head. You’d think a guy who has made as big a killing with his canny stock investments as you have could afford to hire someone to do it, while you oversee the work while enjoying a rare old one and a nice cigar in the beach house.
LMAO
BTW, while we’re on the subject of leftist liars and hypocrites, get a load of all these reprobates screeching about “revisionist history” while their comrades undertake a wholesale re-write of America with the intention of indoctrinating public school kids with yet more hatred of themselves and the country they live in.
Fuck you all. You’re a festering bedsore on the ass of America… and I mean that most sincerely.
All rewriting of history is wrong.
👆More asshattery from the head buffoon @ SiTD.
🚨NewsMax publicly admits what we all knew — that the network was actively broadcasting false claims of election fraud in 2020 related to Dominion voting machines.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-coomer-dominion-voting-systems/2021/04/30/id/1019671/
I assume the financial settlement from NewsMax was sufficiently lucrative to compensate Coomer for being driven into hiding by months of defamation.
Emery whichever-you-are:
This is so meta – you’ve threadjacked the threadjack of a threadjack.
Also – Newmax is a little out there? Stop the presses.
I just wanna see if this gets to my record number of comments. We’ve got a ways to go.
My adult voice: This is the romper room thread. I’m losing track here and there too.
“stupid or not stupid, but has personality disorder”: I think you’re talking to me, the Kraephammer. Also my adult voice, absent of any flaming: Mitch, you have some real blind spots for the fellow travelers in your commenting clique. If we’re going to contemplate “personality disorders” as it relates flame wars, compulsive maladjusted shitposting, etc… one of those blind spots is real big.
I will not be so loose as to conflate you with your worst commenter.
MBerg wrote: “Also – Newmax is a little out there? Stop the presses.”
We never did find out what Fox News paid the Seth Rich family, did we? I don’t know that it was in the public interest for the courts to allow that settlement to remain confidential.
Say Tater? Thought you were tied up with your “Lifts and docks”.
Lmao.
“My adult voice”
Ah good. Someone washed Kraphammer bots little face with a cold rag and gave him a cookie….all calmed down now and he’s good to go.
Lol
Tom Swift: “Hitler didn’t want to fight the West. He said as much in the proposal he sent to Churchill in 1940 *after* his crushing defeat of the BEF. Hitler agreed to move his forces out of Poland, France and Czechoslovakia, and to de-militarize several sea ports.”
This analysis deserves limitless ridicule. I don’t even have to be hyperbolic and provocative.
As we know, Hitler’s word was gold…
Hitler didn’t want to fight the west? He declared war on the US pro-actively on 12/8/41
This analysis is literally Nazi sympathetic. As in Nazi sympathizer sympathetic.
Hitler didn’t want to fight the west? He declared war on the US pro-actively on 12/8/41
12/11.
This analysis is literally Nazi sympathetic.
Erh, Hitler at various points exhibited an interest in not fighting the Brits. He certainly didn’t avoid fighting them, but at various points in his writing and speaking he exhibited what he thought was some common cause between the British Empire and the one he wanted to build. Some chalked it up to soldierly fraternity – his regiment fought the British at various points in World War 1.
I’d recommend reading Paul Johnson’s Modern Times, among others, for more.
OK. Deflect that.
We never did find out what Fox News paid the Seth Rich family, did we?
My God. Who cares?
My adult voice: This is the romper room thread. I’m losing track here and there too.
Adult voice: No shit, genius. I wake up from a day of being sick as a dog to seeing this worthless mass of dick-measuring in my comment section, carried on by a bunch of people who can’t take a hint and have mistaken my hospitality for license.
Ya think?
“stupid or not stupid, but has personality disorder”: I think you’re talking to me, the Kraephammer. Also my adult voice, absent of any flaming: Mitch, you have some real blind spots for the fellow travelers in your commenting clique.
Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve known for a solid decade or more that DPS has some views I disagree with strongly. My philosophy with those, as with you and the Emeries, is for good speech to defeat not-so-good speech. That’s been my principle since I installed comments in 2002. I get flak about it. I don’t care.
re going to contemplate “personality disorders” as it relates flame wars…
You’ve got your opinion.
I will not be so loose as to conflate you with your worst commenter.
So all that “this is the “id” of SITD” talk was…?
Not that it matters. I do know better. The last thirty years of my life have given me a pretty solid sense of who I really am, for better or worse.
I’ve been gaslit by some real pros. I’m still here, they’re all gone.
It’s not the ‘views’ broadly, Mitch. It’s the shitbag racism and the misanthropic temperament that contains it. He’s a creep and he reflects poorly on you and your enterprise.
Yeah, I’ve got my opinion and you’ve got yours and one of us is right.
Am I gaslighting you calling him a maladjusted creep racist Mitch? Am I doing a poor job of gaslighting you there in comparison to the real pros that have come and gone?
Am I moving the goalposts calling him a maladjusted, misanthropic creep racist Mitch?
LMAO…well, that face washing and cookie didn’t last long. There’s little Kraphammer bot squirting tears and stomping his little feet for attention…lol, ignorant, petulant little punk needs another spanking.
“Misanthropy” is a hatred of humankind. Speaking for myself, I reserve hatred for leftists. But everyone hates leftists, but leftists…they’re human waste.
Aside from them, Dr. Strunk extends his warmest regards to everyone.
Am I gaslighting you calling him a maladjusted creep racist Mitch?
Since you feel such a need to control what I say and how I say it, I’ll ask you for a response.
Given that you and EI have both claimed that the fact that I allow a commenter to write comments with historical revisionist opinion means I must be sympathetic with them, notwithstanding nearly 20 years of writing to the contrary and calmly, rationally stating and supporting my disagreement in these very misbegotten threads
…what term do you prefer?
Indulge that inner copy editor.
Given that the whole thread is about ‘revisionism’, and our left of center cheap-seats clacque is doing most of the revising, here.
Heh…anyone Remember when Mr. Civility Kraphammer was fantasizing about screwing Tom Swift’s wife, and advising Berg to “milk Swifts balls”?
Lol…these lunatics are a real treat to watch in action.
You’re deflecting and avoiding a question. I don’t actually do that.
That’s not what I’ve said, although I’ll allow that it’s somewhere in a proximate neighborhood to what I’ve said.
Thread jack and click bait fun while those two bicker:
https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html
BTW, as regards “comments with historical revisionist opinion”. Opinion it is. It’s also conjecture; questioning, not statements of fact. Im questioning the lack of documented facts in some of the things we’ve all taken for granted. Berg countered with some historical documents to forward his position…like an adult.
It wasn’t quite enough to convince me, but I’m more than open to further discussion that might. See, I’m not emotionally tied to any of this…it’s a discussion among adults.
The autistic screeching that bellowed from the cesspool suggests reprobates are *always* emotionally dependent on their messed up views; emotion is all they got.
Screeching and name calling has zero effect on me. All it does is reinforce the accepted (and documented) fact that most leftists are mentally disturbed.
“Im questioning the lack of documented facts in some of the things we’ve all taken for granted, and the existence of documents that run counter to what we’ve been taught is the whole story.”
Hitler was a liar. Only a fool would take him at his word. But it’s also a fool that ignores propositions he made that would have measurably benefited both Germany, England and the US.
We might have gotten dragged in anyway; FDR had been hammering away at Japan for years, and he was not about to back down on the tariffs that were making the Japanese crazy.
But an armistance, especially one that promised assistance or at non-intervention from Germany might have given Tojo pause.
We’ll never know.
Now, while keeping to the topic of what is acceptable to question, and what needs to be stifled, I present this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_I49bY-jM&feature=youtu.be
Parents are starting to find out how Pedophile Joe plans to fight his War against Whites(tm) in the public schools….they’re outraged and they’re speaking out.
Predictably, shouts and threats are coming from the reprobate cesspool to silence these parents who dare to give voice to their wrongthink(tm)
I salute people who are unafraid to defend themselves, their community and their kids against the encroaching degeneracy of the left.
“Loudoun County Public Schools diversity council in Virginia threatened to “silence” any parents who voice opposition to the affluent school district’s inclusion of critical race theory in its curriculum.”
These people are our enemies.
FYI, if you would to learn something about the general European attitude towards the Jews, I suggest looking at Hillaire Belloc’s The Jews (1922). It is in the public domain. Belloc was a conservative Catholic. Although he would have been horrified at Germany’s extermination campaign, he felt the Jews were strangers in Europe, and always would be. In The Jews he explains why.
For the opposite POV, read Stefan Zweig’s The World of Yesterday (1942). Zweig came from a family of non-religious, middle-class Austrian Jews. Because Jews had no home in any particular European nation, Zweig thought Jews could be European w/o the nationalist baggage. There fore they were the most European of all.
Historical counterfactuals are intersting to talk about, but they don’t get you anywhere. So they are the best topic for bong-fired late night discussions in the dorm room.
Paul Johnson wrote that, despite surrendering unconditionally at the end of WWI, the Germans thought the allies would allow them to keep the Eastern European and Russian territory they had gained with the treaty of Brest-Litovsk. After all, w/o that territory & its industries & raw materials, they could never pay reparations.
But the allies gave the territory back to Stalin after Versailles. WTF?
In my alternate history, the Germans keep the territory gained with Brest-Litovsk, the Russian commie government collapses, there is no Nazi movement, no German Stalinist movement, fascism is jailed into Italy, there is no WW2 and no cold War.
The icing on the cake? Vladimar Nabakov becomes the leader of a democratic Russia around 1945.
I think it is a mistake to project what we think of any anonymous blog commenter onto the real person behind the comments.
For all I know, the “real” Emery is QAnon. Or Umbrella Man.
Patten openly expressed his wish to fight the Soviets and England had a plan called Operation Unthinkable for the same purpose.
We did the world a horrible disservice in supporting Stalin, and have paid the price ever since.
asizing about screwing Tom Swift’s wife, and advising Berg to “milk Swifts balls
That’s part of the price I pay for assuming my commenters are adults, and being fairly low-intervention as a moderator.
That’s Star Tribune commment section quality stuff, there.
Also – 200!
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