It’s rapidly becoming a Berg’s Law – liberals are usually good for one round of “debate”, until the one round of chanting points they “know” about the subject (they don’t actually know them; they’re regurgitating) get struck down.  Then they switch to ad hominem, ad hominem, ofay mockery, and worse.  .

It’s true on most subject – guns, sexual harassment, gay  marriage, whatever – but healthcare is far from an exception.

And in the chanting points that make up their world, “Single Payer Healthcare” is an immaculate, unimpeachable concept.    None have ever been shown the drastic falloff in outcomes (as opposed to coverage – which is the easy part.

Enter Forbes:

Consider one nurse’s letter explaining why she quit the profession. She described horrific working conditions. Medical professionals worked 12-hour shifts with little time for necessities like bathroom breaks or food. Managers felt they couldn’t do anything to change unsafe conditions created by overcrowded hospitals. “You cannot safely practice under such conditions,” she wrote. “Mistakes will be made and people will be harmed, some fatally.”

The shortage of providers has resulted in longer wait times for patients. In May, 4.3 million people in the United Kingdom were on waiting lists for surgery, a 10-year high. Adjusting for population, that would be like having everyone in the state of Florida on waiting lists. Roughly 3,500 British patients have been on hospital waiting lists for more than a year.

More than one in five British cancer patients waits longer than two months to begin treatment after receiving a referral from a general practitioner. In Scotland, fewer than 80 percent of patients receive needed diagnostic tests — endoscopies, MRIs, CT, scans and the like — within three months.

These delays are deadly. An analysis that covered just half of England’s hospitals found that almost 30,000 patients died in the past year while waiting for treatment — an increase of 57 percent compared to 2013.

Looking at how patients actually do  on NHS should be enough to cure any reasonable, informed, logical person of their infatuation…

…but I guess I just summed up the problem, didnt I?


12 thoughts on “Sick

  1. The problem is, Mr Berg, that none of the people who are advocating for single payer, believe that they will be subject to it.

    Like so much of the lefty agenda, they and their families will not be a part of it, whether its public schools, or having private (armed) security, or whatever. They will not be living in the world they are trying (and succeeding in some cases) to create.

  2. I have found “debate” with liberals a bit more complicated, but remarkable consistent and predictable. When they aren’t trying to shout you down or ignoring attempts to debate, there are a few different “paths” that it may take. First, as you say, is the “talking point.” After that is shot down with facts and logic, you will often find a simple repeat or a variant of the original talking point, as if your facts and logic meant nothing (and they do not and can not, because “you cannot reason a man out of an opinion he did not first reason himself into”). When that is again refuted by facts and logic, you may find either an attempt to change the subject to a supposedly related topic (starting the refutation process over unless you insist on sticking to the original), or the “tu quoque” (your side does it, too) argument. Or you may get one and then the other. Finally, though, you will get to the ad hominem attack, at which point, if I am the debate judge, the liberal loses and you win. Further debate has become impossible unless, as I sometimes do, agree with the ad hominem and say, “suppose I am everything you say I am, does that make me wrong on this issue?” If I can send the lefty off in blithering incoherence (or silence), I get some satisfaction even if I fail to “win” the actual point of contention.

  3. Just look at the American form of government healthcare: the VA. My brother is ex-Air Force. He has developed both cardio and neurological issues, and has both a cardiologist and neurologist. His health issues are getting much more serious, and really require some coordination between his two doctors. When he asked one if it was possible to get a joint consult to work out a proper plan of action, the guy just shook his head: it would take 6 years before they both had common opening on their calendars. Meanwhile he needs a heart valve replacement, and has an aortic aneurysm they’ve been “monitoring” for at least a decade and treating with blood thinners. Plus, now he’s had a series of TIAs and at least one stroke (that the “hot-shot” injection fortunately mitigated). Six years is, literally, a life-time.

  4. J Ewing
    I long ago gave up on “winning” an argument with a progressive, instead I focus on destabilizing their world view and jeopardizing their personal comfort level (i.e. RBG and Breyer can’t live forever!), so yes blithering incoherence or truculent silence are good outcomes for me too.

  5. NW: beautiful illustration of the fact that our veterans ought to be able to tell VA doctors, without fear of retaliation or financial ruin, “F*** you, I’m going to Mayo.”

    (or Cleveland, Johns Hopkins, or any number of other medical centers where a joint consultation is a matter of a quick phone call to the specialist they know personally)

  6. I have been called a Nazi/fascist by leftists so many time to my face or on Facebook, that the words have lost all meaning to me. In the contaxt of debating at least. I have found debate virtually impossible since Trump became the Republican nominee in 2016. I figure next election I will stroll around the U campus wearing a “Keep America Great Again” hat and see what happens. Should be an interesting experiment.

  7. POD – let me know when you do that. I’m a few miles from the U, and would be happy to discreetly follow behind to film the altercations that would be sure to arise.

  8. Id love to SMH, would be a fun little project. I have a backpack and apparently I look younger than 32 (or so Ive been told?) and could blend in really well as a student it would be great to post something like that to Facebook or Youtube to show how disgusting leftists are.

  9. I 100% ENDORSE government health care…for California, New York, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington state and DC.

  10. I’ll comment from the perspective of a (happily) retired medical professional. I learned early in my career that most physicians were appallingly bad business people. My own practice made the wise decision before I joined to hire a skillful business manager. Other groups not so fortunate. Doctors train hard to become good at what they do; unfortunately, the skills don’t translate to other professions. Of course, there are exceptions, but not many. Some doctors arrive in training with leftist ideas and may continue to believe that a free market based health care system is less desirable than one which is “fair” and “free.” Case in point, recently elected State Representative Alice Mann. I don’t know if she has caught the Bernie virus, but if she has, look out below. The alleged Medicare for All plan he’s pushing would terminate any and all private insurance. Even if I believed in single payer, the logistics of turning over financial control of so much of the economy to government is staggering. Right now, much of Medicare is administered by third party insurance. If that goes away, who is going to pick up the slack? A non-existent administrative infrastructure? Who will write checks to everyone in the health care system? Where will the newly unemployed insurance and health care company workers go? At least in Great Britain, transformation to the NHS began in the late 1940s. And as others have pointed out, results are inferior to our system in spite of costs that continue to rise anyway.

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