Shot in the Dark

Voice Of America

Berg’s 18th Law is still in effect; we don’t know what motivated the Vegas shooter.

But I take heart from this, a guy I’m proud to call a real American hero:

Mandalay Bay being a gun free zone  (and at 400 yards, firing back with a handgun would have been a triumph of optimism over feasibility), the man fought back with the only weapon allowed him, his middle finger – which, were the First Amendment all one needed to protect freedom, would be a fearsome weapon, and was, as it happens the best he could do under the circumstances.

There were apparently many heroes last night.  

God bless ’em all.

More tomorrow.

 

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41 responses to “Voice Of America”

  1. Alt-Good Swiftee Avatar
    Alt-Good Swiftee

    I know exactly how he feels.

  2. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    I can see gun-free zones given the amount of booze going there, both in the hotel and the concert, but what I can’t see is hotel security so lax that they can’t figure out a customer is using a suite as a shooting range for an hour. Is it that darned important that their customers can bring whores up to their rooms without seeing anyone on staff there?

  3. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    Similar to a satisfying bowel movement Swiftee?

  4. Alt-Good Swiftee Avatar
    Alt-Good Swiftee

    Yes, Dunning_Kruger, kind of like that.

    But ya know, sometimes, even that fails to satisfy…like a shart, or, like the sad incident your mom had when she heard you mewling from the bowel.

    When I stick my finger in some assnozzles grill, it never fails to satisfy.

    Please boot up my picture and look deep into my eyes. You’ll see.

  5. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Not happy being called out a bold faced liar, eTASS-BFL decides to deface and troll another thread.

  6. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    One would wish the US mental health system could treat the cognitive dissonance of the JPA.

  7. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    BB, being that the shooter was firing from the 32nd floor, how does the argument that having more people carrying would ensure protection in like circumstances hold water?

  8. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    cognitive dissonance

    Do you even know what it means, eTASS-BFL? Oh, wait. If you say “yes” we all know you are lying, so that will be a “no” then. What a tool.

    And speaking of cognition, you obviously missed at 400 yards, firing back with a handgun would have been a triumph of optimism over feasibility part of the post. So indeed, your trolling credentials at impeccable, snowflake.

  9. Troy Avatar
    Troy

    I would fault Emery for talking shit, but I guess I’d rather he didn’t hold it all in and explode.

  10. Mitch Berg Avatar
    Mitch Berg

    how does the argument that having more people carrying would ensure protection in like circumstances

    In this specific circumstance, it doesn’t; a handgun isn’t much use against long arms at 400 yards.

    But most spree shootings are up close and personal – and as this blog has amply shown for 15 years, now, armed citizens can more than even the odds under more normal circumstances.

    Apples to apples ? When Charles Whitman did his spree shooting from the U of Texas clock tower, the police were able to close and engage because many residents and students broke out long arms and provided covering fire, allowing their police (with their revolvers and shotguns) to get to the tower and move in on Whitman.

    In most states today, the citizens would be in plenty of trouble for trying to do the same thing.

  11. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    Whataboutism is the last refuge of somebody who has no argument.

  12. nerdbert Avatar
    nerdbert

    Ah, you mean like the “waddabout Europe” and gun laws? That kind of whataboutism?

  13. nerdbert Avatar
    nerdbert

    […] but what I can’t see is hotel security so lax that they can’t figure out a customer is using a suite as a shooting range for an hour.

    Not trusting the media reports at this stage, but reportedly the cops found the room using the fact that all the shots set off the smoke alarm. Before that, I can’t imagine that they could do more than figure out roughly the area, and that hotel security decided that their popguns, if they even had them, weren’t up to a match with someone with automatic weapons.

    More curiously, 10 long guns in a room since Thursday and the maids don’t spot them? Pretty strange if you ask me. This incident is seriously messed up and screwy. So far the only really plausible thing I’ve heard is the divorce pushing the guy over the edge. Other than that, this is not falling into any of the usual categories. The 18th law may need to apply for a time extension in this case.

  14. Scott Hughes Avatar
    Scott Hughes

    Emery you’ve lost all credibility (not the first time ) with the handgun meme, circumstances were apples and oranges, but go ahead and blather on.

  15. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    Nerdbert, my thought is that with as much to lose as a Vegas casino has to lose, you’re going to have cameras that will detect when a window has been shot out, security staff walking the halls to respond to big disruptions quickly, and the like. Other places on the strip are saying they have exactly this, and I’m guessing that attorneys for the families of the injured and deceased are finding out right now exactly how “out of line” MGM might be in this regard.

    Emery: congratulations on a 4th grade reading level. I actually said that given the amount of liquor flowing in both venues, I could see the gun free zones. Some here will disagree with me, and that’s fine, and I agree with our host that at a range of 400 yards and in murky light, good luck hitting anything with anything short of a well-scoped Ma Deuce or such.

  16. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    Vox Day has a thing up suggesting that they had the basic area/room identified after 15 minutes, but somehow nobody bothered to visit until 74 minutes. MGM lawyers breathe a sigh of relief, Las Vegas police legal department braces for a storm. How many people died in that hour that it took to get someone there?

  17. Loren Avatar
    Loren

    LV police have no legal worry. There is no requirement for prompt service from our law enforcement servants. They owe no specific duty to anyone to protect them from harm.

  18. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Whataboutism

    This is from a person who changes subject every time his argument is argued? Every. Time. Not only is eTASS-BFL a liar, he is a fantabulist as well.

  19. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    We gonna have to wait for more than 48 hours on this one. So many things do not add up or just plain make sense.

  20. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    Mr. Hughes: Handguns are almost always the problem in ordinary gun-related violence. A shotgun is difficult to conceal. It is too late now but restricting the ownership of handguns would have solved a lot of problems.

    I have not seen a list of the long guns used in this particular shooting. Some reports state that automatic fire was heard. That is entirely possible — although I question whether the average citizen can readily detect automatic fire from rapid semi-automatic fire.

  21. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Wow. eTASS-BFL does not fail to impress with his torture and abuse of language and rhetoric.

    It is too late now but restricting the ownership of handguns would have solved a lot of problems.

    Fact: while pulling this canard time and time again, eTASS-BFL has yet to show any credible research that proves an assertion gun controls work.

    I question whether the average citizen can readily detect automatic fire from rapid semi-automatic fire.

    Fact: this statement proves beyond reasonable doubt eTASS-BFL has never heard automatic fire, and likely not semi-auto either.

    So, eTASS-BFL, What is your excuse for writing real frontier gibberish this time? Cognitive dissonance? Willful ignorance? Obtuseness? Narcissism? Stupidity? All of the Above?

  22. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    Determining that a gun is fully automatic from the sound is pretty straightforward. the “pops” come in a rhythmic sequence unless the gun is misfiring, and generally faster than most people could pull the trigger. For example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRh3AvFup8Y

  23. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    jpa, did you finally manage to get your Tom Petty timeline straight?

  24. Night Writer Avatar
    Night Writer

    There is a distinctive sound to automatic weapon-fire; most commonly described as a ripping noise. Even though I haven’t been under automatic weapon fire personally except on video games (which wouldn’t disqualify me from a network news position or Secretary of State), the first thing I thought of when I watched the video was “that was full-auto”. I have heard an AR-15 in “rapid semi-automatic fire” – and there is no comparison.

  25. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    jpa, did you finally manage to get your Tom Petty timeline straight?

    Fact: My timeline was straight while you absolutely ignored Berg’s 18th law and the irony of posting on that thread is still obviously did not think into your thick skull.

    Fact: While I got my facts straight, you still have not provided any rebuke to being called out a bald faced liar, nor proof that stricter gun control laws result in less violence.

    So away with you troll, you got to dig yer hole deeper. And yer latrine needs to be real deep on account how much full of shit you are.

  26. Joe Doakes Avatar
    Joe Doakes

    “BB, being that the shooter was firing from the 32nd floor, how does the argument that having more people carrying would ensure protection in like circumstances hold water?” That wasn’t the argument being made but even if it were, the presence of armed citizens on the same floor as the gunner might have enabled a Good Guy With A Gun to enter the room after 2 minutes instead of 72 minutes. Think of all the lives that could have been saved, if only . . . .

    ” It is too late now but restricting the ownership of handguns would have solved a lot of problems.” Yes, and it also would have caused a lot of other problems as ordinary people were unable to defend themselves from attackers. That’s the nature of problems – the solutions are never perfect, there’s always a trade-off.

    The problem with your line of comments, Emery, is not that they are vacuous and insulting to people who’ve been deeply involved in this issue for decades. The problem is they’re crass, coming as they do when the 18th Rule is still in effect and the bodies are barely cold.

  27. Mammuthus Primigenius Avatar
    Mammuthus Primigenius

    Emery on October 2, 2017 at 8:59 pm said:
    Whataboutism is the last refuge of somebody who has no argument.
    There is a cold war era joke that goes like this:

    American journalist is escorted to the Moscow subway station by his Soviet handler. Trains whiz by the platform every few seconds. Then there is a lull in the train traffic. After five minutes, the American journalist says to his handler :Gee, it’s been a while since the last train went past!”
    The soviet handler fumes and says “What about your lynchings in the South?”

  28. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    JD, don’t be such a scold. How do you define or label this incident?

    I would say a terrorist is someone who creates mass terror, irrespective of his motivation. This wasn’t a gang fight, a lovers’ spat, or a drug deal gone wrong. It was an act of mass terrorism.

  29. Alt-Good Swiftee Avatar
    Alt-Good Swiftee

    Been talking with people who know of such things, and I’ve been persuaded that this dooshbag used at least two weapons on that unarmed crowd.

    He started with a belt fed 7.62×51 squad machine gun, and switched to a smaller rifle, probably one firing 7.62×39, with a gizmo to enhance the rate of fire…maybe a bump fire stock or binary trigger.

    Differing cycle rates and report bear this out.

    The thing is this: Where the hell did he get a machine gun? Legal machine guns go for $50k+ and I couldn’t guess the market rate for a hot item. And why would he go through the trouble and expense of obtaining such a weapon?

    There has been precious little info so far, even black helicopter types and drooling leftist trolls have been remarkably quiet. This thing is deeper than anyone can guess, is my guess.

    I wonder if we will ever get the straight scoop, or will this end up like the 2015 government massacre of motorcycle club members in Waco…swept under the rug.

  30. TheFedSucks Avatar
    TheFedSucks

    The official definition of “terrorist” includes the motivation of political change.

  31. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Fed, don’t confuse eTASS-BFL with facts and logic. He is not capable of comprehension when he defines words as he sees fit. His lying is a good example. Based on his actions, I am sure his definition of “lying” is “to tell a truth”.

  32. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Swiftee, too many questions based on the info from the article. It takes years to legally secure an NFA full auto, never mind a real machine gun. Though using a .308 at that distance would explain the carnage, moreso than a .223. Accuracy of a full-auto and especially bump-fire is horrible. This was definitely spray and pray approach. What bothers me is we still do not have a lot of unanswered why’s. This was meticulously planned and orchestrated to inflict as much damage as possible, to the last round. Yet, the shooter stopped after 10 minutes and waited patiently for police to arrive for another hour before committing suicide? Something stinks here. And in this case, it is not just eTASS-BFL.

  33. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    This is old news. This information has been available for since yesterday afternoon.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/10/02/video-from-las-vegas-suggests-automatic-gunfire-heres-what-makes-machine-guns-different/

    But this is a MSM news story so I suspect it’s credibility should be questioned. Perhaps Infowars and 4chan are would be considered credible sources by jpa.

  34. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    eTASS-BFL – you just posted an utter non-sequitur that does not contradict nor add anything to a topic at hand. Since you are not capable of adding anything intelligent to the conversation, back to digging that latrine of yours to make room for all that shit in you are so full of. Yes, I do like this very accurate description for what is wrong with you and will use it more often.

  35. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    One of the things that is sticking in my craw is that they’re describing this guy as a “sniper” when he was simply pointing his gun in the general direction and pulling the trigger. Chris Kyle would be spinning in his grave if that were possible. Calling the a-hole (may his name be forgotten) a “sniper” is akin to calling a constitutional vandal like Barack Obama a “statesman”.

    And a hint for Emery; when people are talking about the relative fire rate possible with bump stocks and such vs. true full auto, it’s probably unnecessary to post a Washington Post article explaining the basics of how full auto differs from semi-auto. One might even infer that your ignorance is such that you can’t even clue in that people might know a bit of what they’re talking about.

  36. Emery Avatar
    Emery

    BB, is that your “best shot”?

    Since most all of his weapons were purchased lawfully, I’m curious why he didn’t include a nice Barrett sniper rifle in his arsenal.

  37. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    Well, I guess you could call it my “best shot” if I were simply trying to “burn” you like a junior high kid, or one could call it a “word to the wise” if the intended recipient showed signs of wisdom.

    So if you want to prove the 2nd hypothesis is not the case, you’re welcome to do so, but I’m not quite sure how that makes your argument stronger.

  38. Scott Hughes Avatar
    Scott Hughes

    Swiftee and jpa comments have me thinking; rate of fire for a AR10/ or AR15 is ~ 700 rounds/min, AK47 around the same. Given that a 30 round mag would exhaust in about 2.5 seconds one would have to be changing mags or weapons very quickly to get the rate of fire that the sound from the videos out there suggest occurred. With a beta drum magazine(s) and bump (slide) fire stock I would think you could get one heck of rate of fire downrange.

  39. justplainangry Avatar
    justplainangry

    Since most all of his weapons were purchased lawfully, I’m curious why he didn’t include a nice Barrett sniper rifle in his arsenal.

    Yet another non-sequitur which does not add to the discussion. eTASS-BFL is just throwing out a brand name to show how erudite he is. And fails.

    Just keeping track of how much shit you are really full of. You know, to help you with digging your latrine to the proper depth. You are welcome.

  40. bikebubba Avatar
    bikebubba

    Why not a Barrett? If you can’t figure that one out, Emery, I must concede that I not only greatly overestimated your knowledge of firearms, but also was too quick to assume you are actually capable as an engineer.

    I regret my errors in assuming that on some points, you might know from Shinola. My apologies.

    Some of the answers that come to mind regarding why a .50 weapon was not chosen include rate of fire, recoil/control, cost, weight of ammunition and guns, difficulty of setting up and hiding the weapons stash, and the ease of finding the shooter with such a distinctive report as has the .50.

  41. Scott Hughes Avatar
    Scott Hughes

    Emery go poop in your hat…you’re just here for theatre, not to make a real point……..make another Trump point….DICK!!!

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