Shot in the Dark

What’s In A Party Name?

I’ve written about it a slew of times; I grew up in a Democrat household.  I became a conservative in college (perhaps the only person in recent western civilization to have been converted to conservatism by an English professor).  I left the GOP in 1995, disgusted by the GOP caving in on the 1994 Cxrime Bill and other Clinton-era fripperies. I became a big-L LIbertarian.

I stayed in the party for four years.  I left because I realized that while the LIbertarian Party believed in an absolutely purest form of what I believed in, I also figured out that if what I believed in fell in a forest and an infinitesmal minority heard it, it’d never matter.

So I went back to the GOP.  I figured I’d sully my pristine principles a little, and have a shot at getting the rest of my principles – as many as possible –  at least a hypotehtical shot of getting passed into law.  I would do my little bit to fight for the conservative, Reaganesque soul of the GOP.   I was one of the little group of libertarian-conservatives, fiscalcons and other conservatives tthat were .

I didn’t get everything I wanted.  But I – we – got a lot; a GOP that fumigated itself of the miasma of Arne Carlson, fought for limiting the size of government and, to an extent that Minnesota had not seen in decades, succeeded; we inviegled Tim Pawlenty to move to the right to stave off a spirited challenge from oour guy, Brian Sullivan; we exacted a No New Taxes pledge from Pawlenty, and largely got him to stick to it, even when he was outnumbered two chambers to zero.

Not a bad decade, all in all.  Perfect?  No – but way better than it would have been otherwise.

The Minnesota GOP is in the middle of…well,l not an “epic battle for its soul”, really.  A tug of war, really – between the people who’ve been running the party since about 2002, whoever they are, and the “Ron Paul crowd”.  It’s a tug of war with some fairly exposed emotions; in 2008, many “establishment” Republicans fought very hard to exclude the Paul contingent from the conventions, from BPOU level all the way up to the state convo.  And on their site, not a few Paul supporters (sometimes called, with varying degrees of affection, “Paulbots” due to the personality cult-like attitude of some Paul supporters, including some pretty notable ones) advanced some ideas that traditional conservatives found anathemic; Libertarians are a lot more “live and let live” on social issues like abortion and gay marriage than traditional conservatives.  There was bound to be some conflict – and there was.

The Paul crowd has bounced back this year and made a huge impact on the MNGOP, taking most of the delegate and many of the executive seats in the Congressional District conventions.  And it’s causing all sorts of people to ask questions.

One of them is “Average Andy”, a guy I met on Twitter, a tweep and blogger with a background not too far different than mine, at least up until 1998ish or so.  Andy, asks:

I have a serious question for my Republican friends… I have been given the riot act from countless Republicans about my views on Presidential candidates. I’ve been told that I MUST vote Republican for a whole host of reasons. I may not like the candidate, but the Democrat will always be worse. I’ve never been much of a pragmatist in elections, and these conversations drive me as crazy as my vote drives these Republicans crazy, if not more.

On the one hand – by all means vote your conscience.

On the other hand, that’s one of the problems that many of the Republilcan activists are genuinely, and legitimately, upset about; the idea the that party many of us worked very, very hard for is being taken over, for now, by people who will – as Andy admits he himself did – vote for a third party candidate if “his” Republican doesn’t get nominated, and who can say “there’s no difference between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama” with a straight face,

It’s just not true.  Romney is a northeastern conservative, which means he’s pro-business, pro-law-and-order, and more comfortable with big governnment than a lot of us Western Conservatives.  And the knock-down drag-primary has helped push him to the right, to surmount the challenges from more conservative candidates, and to try to win over people who really wanted Santorum, Gingrich, Cain, Perry – even Ron Paul.

That’s all to the good.

Now – not a few Paul supporters (and yes, Santorum and Gingrich supporters, all of whom should know better) have claimed they’ll sit out the presidential election (or vote for some fringe-right third-party, which is the same thing), if not the whole race.  They think – wrongly – that a Romney administration will be the same as an Obama one.

More on that later.

But Andy – who avers that he followed up his support for Paul in the 2008 race by voting Constitution Party – does in fact show the flip side of that coin.

Despite the way my fellow Ron Paul supporters were treated in 2008, I repeated the process in 2010 in order to be a part of selecting a candidate for Governor. I didn’t know the candidates well, as I tend not to follow state politics nearly as closely as I follow national politics. However, I had made a lot of connections two years prior in the process and befriended a lot of people who were out in 2008 to support Ron Paul…To a man, they were all behind Tom Emmer, and I threw my support behind Emmer. Despite the fact that he lost, I have no regrets.

And the fact is that for all of the concern about among traditional Republicans that Paul supporters were single-candidate one-trick ponies, many of the mainstays of the Emmer campaign, and many people who have and are invaluable to the GOP today, are people who came to party politics in 2008 via Paul, and 2009 via the Tea Party.

2012 rolled around and I got into the mix again. I was unhappy with my experience four years prior, and was tempted to forget the whole thing, but ultimately decided to give my fellow Republicans another shot. I had made many connections in 2008, and met a lot of people. Most of which were friendly toward me and seemed happy to have me in the process. However, when my support for Ron Paul would come up in conversation, defensive walls would immediately go up. There were, and are, strong stereotypes of Ron Paul supporters, many of which are unfair – based on a very small minority of fellow Paul supporters.

Andy’s right – see my previous graf – and also a bit dismissive of some of the concerns some of the “establishment” have.

An awful lot of Paul supporters don’t thnk there’s a significant difference between “establishment” Republicans and Democrats.

Not a few fairly significant Paul supporters in the MNGOP also advance some views that “regular” Republicans find noxious; I’ve run into Holocaust deniers and some fairly noxious anti-Semites.  Of course they’re not the majority of the movement – but there are enough of them, and they are prominent enough, that it gets people a little standoffish.

A few significant Paul supporters – one in particular – have been carrying out witch hunts attacking Republicans they don’t consider acceptably and unquestioningly adoring enough  of Ron Paul and every single point of his platform.  OK, them I can handle myself – but you might wanna have a word with ’em.  Because there are a lot of you – but not enough to win any offices by yourself.

More commonly?   Many who’ve been involved with the party have tallked with many in the current wave of Paul supporters at the BPOU level, and found many – by no means all – of them to be focused almost exclusively on the Presidential election.  Which is fine – it’s important, and it’s one of the things you do when you’re involved in the party endorsement process.  But we’ve noticed less interest and concern in the activities that are the blocking and tackling of Congressional District politics – getting Republicans elected to Congress – to say nothing of the BPOU level (doing the door-knocking and phone-calling and grunt work that gets State Legislators and Senators elected).  It’s why I wrote my “Open Letter To Ron Paul supporters in CD4” a few weeks back; on the off chance that Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination, it’d be great to see that wave of enthusiasm turn out to support whomever gets nominated to run for Senate, for Congress, and for the State Legislature – by doing what a political party does, even if one doesn’t have absolute control over it.  By supporting people that you don’t agree with 1000%, based on the ideal that someone you agree with 70% of the time is not your 30% enemy, but your 70% ally.

The reaction to that post, by the way, was just about the most interesting of any post I’ve ever written.  I got a lot of compliments – from traditional Republicans and not a few Paul supporters – and a little bit of hate mail as well.

Some Paul supporters objected to my use of the word “Paulbot”.  Enh.  I didn’t invent the term.  There was no offense intended, but life’s tough, and politics ain’t beanbag, and wear a freaking helmet.  The Dems will call you much, much worse (once they stop seeing you as wedges to undercut the GOP, like their revenge for that whole “Green Party” thing, anyway).

Others took offense that I’d presume they won’t turn out to help downticket races.  Well, good.  The whole article was a challenge.  I’d be more than happy to have the entire inference disproved in spades.  I’ll apologize, in public and on the air, at Tony Hernandez’ victory party.  Or Carlos Conway’s.  Hell, both.

To put it more bluntly; I’ll look forward to seeing the “establishment’s” conventional wisdom about the Paul contingent proven wrong.  Indeed, I’ll do my level best to help them do it.

If you, GOPer, want me to go back to staying out of your way, and voting Constitution Party for President, I will be happy to do so. If you want me to stay involved in the process, and put in the work to make my voice heard in 2014 when we’re looking for a candidate to unseat Mark Dayton, I will be happy to do so. What I am not happy to do is to get involved, but echo your voice. If my role in the GOP is to be a yes-man, check in with you on which candidates to support and what work to do for your precious party, count me out!

Excellent!  And given that Paul supporters have taken wide control of much of the BPOU and CD apparatus around the state, you’re probably in a good position to call some of those shots.  But be that as it may, I’m more than willing to hash out the differences face to face, rather than through parliamentary skullduggery (which I opposed, then and now).

In return?  Please stop pretending that any candidate that isn’t 100% yours is in no way different from the evil we’re all hypothetically fighting against – at least not without showing how that’s true, and being open to the idea that it’s to some degree or another false.  There are a lot of us in the GOP are small-l libertarians who don’t care for Ron Paul, but have high hopes for his son.  Have some respect for the good work that came before you – because plenty did, in fact, come before you.

And learn to get along with some cognitive dissonance.  When I came back to the GOP as a libertarian conservative, I ran into not a few single-issue pro-life voters who coudln’t understand why I wanted to pass concealed carry reform or stop subsidizing stadiums.  They took convincing.  They, in turn, and to work to convince me on a few things.  Everyone learned.

Deal?

The GOP – especially in the 4th and 5th CDs – needs a ton of help; having the Paul contingent turn some of that energy toward winning that race would bury a lot of hatchets.


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24 responses to “What’s In A Party Name?”

  1. Mr. D Avatar
    Mr. D

    Great post, Mitch. The way I see it, it would benefit Romney supporters to read Hayek, while certain Paul supporters ought to read Eric Hoffer.

  2. The Big Stink Avatar
    The Big Stink

    The greatest attraction for most of the young Paulbots I have talked to is his view toward military isolationism and the decriminalization of drugs. After that, most Paulbots couldn’t tell you the branches of government. I attribute most of their rabid fervor to youth – a sin all of us suffer from and most of us conquer.

  3. K-Rod Avatar

    Ah ha, mberg, you finally admit to what deegee has been saying; you are one of teh evil right wing GOPers!!!! and You are a liar!

    “You can recognize the right wing blog parrots – the term echo-chamber was getting tired and worn – by the failure to present accurate information, replacing it with ideology and spin…
    It would be more amusing if they weren’t helping to rip us off, and promote corrupt government. The more birdbrained among them work for peanuts…or crackers?….or for nothing but a little hope of advancement and a pat on the head.”

    (That dear friend of yours really is a uniter and not a divider)

    hmmmm

    Mitch Berg: “Armed While Old and White, Flabby and Crabby”, public enemy #1.

  4. thorleywinston Avatar

    The greatest attraction for most of the young Paulbots I have talked to is his view toward military isolationism and the decriminalization of drugs. After that, most Paulbots couldn’t tell you the branches of government. I attribute most of their rabid fervor to youth – a sin all of us suffer from and most of us conquer.

    There’s a great article in the Weekly Standard that makes the point that Ron Paul isn’t running as the “libertarian” candidate, he’s running as the “antiwar” candidate. I think that’s largely true considering how he’s said next to nothing about entitlement programs other than if we supposedly cut all overseas military spending then we’d have enough money to fund the most popular domestic programs.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/ron-paul-s-timidity_616152.html

    I have no patience for people who think that the budget can be balanced if we just cut (raise) other people’s spending (taxes).

  5. MyGovIsNuts Avatar
    MyGovIsNuts

    To Andy: Far too many of the “old guard” leadership are dismissive of you and your “type”. They call you “crazy” or “insane”. At a guy who has been involved with the GOP for 10+ years, let me tell you this: We welcome you. We need some new blood. We need some people that aren’t afraid to hold our elected officials, at ALL LEVELS, accountable. But please, read the following:

    Just because some of our elected officials only vote 95% the way you want them to, they are not deserving of being burned at the stake. None are perfect. However, if they drop under 75%, you certainly SHOULD look closely at them and what they are doing. Let’s focus on what we all agree upon: lower taxes, limited government, and following the constitutional principles. Please know that, as much as you might like it, proposals for legalizing drugs, closing our borders, or vaporizing half of the Federal government is not going to happen. Let’s start the mindset moving and see where we can continue to gain support, not demand lily-white-snow purity, or you will be forever disappointed.

  6. AvgAndy Avatar
    AvgAndy

    Mitch,

    First, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I figured that of all the people I asked to take a look at it, you would. I know you’ve addressed the subject numerous times.

    BTW, we didn’t meet on Twitter, we’ve bounced stuff back and forth from time to time since about 2003 or 2004. “Just a Vapor” is a fork from my original blog “Echo Zoe”, which has been refocussed to be a strictly theological site (I’ve even incorporated as a non-profit and applied for 501(c)3 status). We first met in person back in 2005 at a MOB event at Keagans, which I attended along with my then-new wife.

    Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

    Thanks for recognizing that while I support Ron Paul, I’m not a one-candidate guy. I made the point in the original blog posting that I liked Alan Keyes in 2000 & 2004, and you did mention my support for Emmer. Not only did the Paul camp do a lot to hand Emmer the nomination in 2010, many have been working very hard to get other candidates elected. We’re currently strongly behind Chris Fields as GOP sacrificial lamb in CD5 (sorry, I don’t see even the best Republican getting more than 35% of the vote against Ellison in Minneapolis), and there’s a strong contingent pushing Kurt Bills for Senate. There are numerous candidates for state and local office that are either firmly in the Paul camp, or supported by the Paul camp as well. This idea that we’re just here for Ron Paul, only focussed on a single race, is complete hogwash. Many got in because of Ron Paul, but we quickly recognized that a movement had been started, and were encouraged to join that movement and work to see many more Ron Pauls in office at all levels of government.

    I think much of the disconnect is that people assume that because I, and many who feel the way I do, will admit to voting third party for President, that we WON’T vote for ANY Republican unless it’s someone we were actively involved in getting nominated. Not true at all. While I disliked Bachmann’s military stance (she’s quite aggressive), I was open to considering her for a vote. I liked Herman Cain until I found out that he worked for the Fed and saw no need to even scrutinize what goes on in that institution, and was open to others as well. I don’t expect a candidate to represent my views 100%. My fear is that if I settle for 60%, the 40% that I disagree with will do more to set the limited government cause back than it’s worth.

    I understand that you and others are working hard to get a Republican elected to the Oval Office in November, but I’m sorry, I can’t just vote for any old candidate just because he bears an (R) in front of his name.

    In fact, I mostly gave up on participating in party resolutions and amendments to the party platform at conventions because I see them as a waste of time. Why do so many Republicans fight so hard for specific wording to a resolution, yet look at me like I gave Hinckley the pistol that shot Reagan when I suggest that we hold our candidates to the very platform they are so passionate about? You see, I don’t agree 100% with the party platform, but it’s good enough that if you can find a candidate that is faithful to it I would not only vote enthusiastically for such a person, I’d probably go above and beyond the call of duty to campaign for him/her too. Unfortunately, the party that is so enthusiastic about saving the unborn, shrinking government, and protecting the right to keep & bear arms seems to be bizarrely enthusiastic about nominating candidates that don’t want to involve themselves in the abortion issue, push government programs that increase the size and scope of government, and only fight for the right of police and military to keep and bear arms. (Bush, McCain, & Romney all fit this mold).

    All that said, I can take the heat of political involvement. I understand that it doesn’t matter if I support Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, or the loony guy at Burger king collecting nickels to fund his 2036 run for President, that people will be upset with me and call me names. I can take it. I understand that the very definition of “politics” implies that you have to work with people who disagree with you (maybe hate your guts) and give up some of your ideals to get what you really want in the end. I get that. It’s just a matter of how much I’m willing to give up, vs. what you’re willing to give up. We definitely disagree on how much compromise we can take.

    My original post was all to ask the question in the last quote you wrote of me: do you (non-Paulbot) want me (a Paulbot) to stay or to go? Should I work to get my guy involved, or should I stick to voting for the candidate that best represents my views, who usually ends up being third party? The question was inspired by many who seemed to want me to get involved, and once I did wanted me to get out faster than I got in. I thank you for answering the question, and doing so with diplomacy.

    -Andy

  7. Night Writer Avatar

    Well said, Andy, and pretty much my feelings and experience with the Republican Party 20 years ago – and why I no longer get involved with the party. I used to buy that 80% line, only to find that in practice it was barely 50%. “Be patient, we’re going to make incremental change,” we were told. “Starting with this lit drop, or the next phone bank, if you don’t mind.” Ron Paul is the result of the Republicans own doings and mis-doings in being unwilling to offer a real difference. And Obama is, too. People finally got to see there is a difference in someone with the will and backing to push collectivism – but they have little faith that the “other” guys have any real commitment to do anything but talk a good game.

    Those who want to make cracks about the supposed knowledge and savvy of the “Paulbots” are as ignorant as those they would put down. They scoff at the long term vision and perseverance of the insurgents, without acknowledging that these so-called children have spent the last four years out-organizing them. So here’s a clue for you: it’s not because they love drugs and hate war.

  8. Terry Avatar
    Terry

    Night Writer wrote:
    So here’s a clue for you: it’s not because they love drugs and hate war.
    But you can be forgiven for thinking this if you’ve ever browsed the Reason website.
    Also you’ve forgotten about the prOn. And the Hookers!

  9. Night Writer Avatar

    prOn, Smokey? Looks like a job for Nicky Kingswood!

  10. Prince of Darkness_666 Avatar
    Prince of Darkness_666

    AvgAndy, nice comment
    Let me step away from the character I have created for a second and introduce myself as Ben Rider. I have just been stuck in CD5 thanks to redistricting and I hope that we could get Fields above the 30% mark (I even think 35% is way too optomistic) but that we start building a libertarian-conservative coalition in the 5th. I think our best selling point would be school choice at this point. That is the democrats only real exploitable weakness I see in the inner cities right now (well the easiest, we got to get people listening first). I hope to be working with you and Chris and other Ron Paul Republicans for many years to come.

  11. The Big Stink Avatar
    The Big Stink

    PofD: I spoke with some teachers this week and they are unanimous in their feeling the schools are doing just fine, save for a lack of “investment” by the legislature.

    The conversation ended at that point because they had a “Go To Meeting conference call from their cruise director.

  12. Adrian Avatar
    Adrian

    As someone who has nor voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1980 (before you attack me I have never voted Democrat or any other hard left party for ANY candidate…EVER)…at least in my current mindframe, I will probably vote Romney (holding my nose all the while) and concentrate on getting libertarian/conservatives/constitutionalists into the legislature.

    Yes, probably more a vote against Obama than for Romney…so be it, I think our sittuation is quite possibly at a tipping point. And being that Romney seems quite malleable a strong libertarian legislative branch may be able to keep him in line.

    That said, I am quite sick of us letting the liberal media selecting our candidates for us. Also a strong libertarian/conservative candidate can, in fact win. There are numerous instances, but one needs only look back to 2008 to see the lackluster polling for John McCain…until he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate. Then what happened? The establishment RINOS attacked her…Obama did not win the Presidency in 2008, the Republicans sabotaged their own race.

    One more thought…the (also easily swayed) Tim Pawlenty only flexed any “conservative” muscle when it was politically expedient for him to do so (get it RINOS??!! Fiscal conservatism and libertarianism is actually quite popular!!) But Tim did the one thing that ensured he would NEVER get my support or vote…his utter contempt for the notion of private property rights (cornerstone of the founding of this nation) in enacting the smoking ban. BTW, I do not smoke.

  13. Prince of Darkness_666 Avatar
    Prince of Darkness_666

    the NEA makes the GSA look like a bunch of penny pinchers

  14. Prince of Darkness_666 Avatar
    Prince of Darkness_666

    TBS, were these teachers teaching in the inner city in Minneapolis?

  15. swiftee Avatar
    swiftee

    I’ve dabbled with the Libertarian party once or twice. There is a lot that I agree with that the mainstream GOP won’t even consider (de-criminalizing drugs for instance); the problem is that after a few meetings, I always begin to feel like an anarchist.

    Conservatives do not believe that there should be no government, we just want the one the founders put in place. I don’t mind paying taxes to maintain a standing army, build roads, inspect the slaughter houses that butcher my Sunday prime rib…hell I’m 100% in favor of helping people that are genuinely in need of help.

    I’m neither an anarchist nor a socialist…guess that makes me a radical.

  16. Colonel_Flagg Avatar
    Colonel_Flagg

    “Romney is a northeastern conservative, which means he’s pro-business…”

    Mitch, with all due respect, if you can show me how Romneycare is, or its descendant Obamacare will be, ‘pro-business’, you’re more than welcome to try.

    Romney’s record in Massachusetts, from judge appointments (9 of 36 Republican) to social issues (same sex marriage, abortion in Romneycare) to budget (Romneycare is destroying Massachusetts) tells me all that needs to be said. There’s a reason some of us call him “Obamney”, and it’s not because we’re petulant. America deserves better than Mitt Romney, at least in principle, but it’s also said you get the government you deserve.

    He’s the wrong nominee at a time when we have a golden opportunity to blow the bankrupt philosophy of progressivism/liberalism to the cesspool from whence it came. He ran roughshod over much finer conservatives than he through negative and deceptive advertising. The question with Romney vs. Obama is whether you like your statism in red or blue clothing.

    And, I am not a Paul supporter. I’ve migrated from Palin to Cain to Bachmann to Santorum in this campaign and I’ve compromised enough.

  17. Night Writer Avatar

    Fwiw, when I checked out of Republican Party politics 20+ years ago, the decision was based on where my time, treasure and energy could best be applied. I had a young family and growing responsibilities to others outside of that family as well. These responsibilities and relationships suffered while I did the political thing of campaigns, BPOU organization, meetings, etc.

    I put my focus back where it belonged and lived my commitment to the principles of liberty and self-government over party in front of my family, in my church and in my writing. After all this time of sowing and nurturing I see a new generation rising that reflects these same values and principles. Ron Paul isn’t exactly the person I had in mind but he is the type of candidate I was imagining. I understand his appeal and where his support comes from.

  18. jpmn Avatar
    jpmn

    The Paulbots are doing a number of things in the right way. They’re showing up and taking spots away from the entrenched Republican machine. We need a shakeup, we need a more fiscally conservative party, we need people to ask the question “is this policy Constitutional?”

    I like that more people are showing up. There are jerks in the crowd, but there are also jerks in every other faction of the party. Some will stay, some will leave, and maybe some will run for school board or city councils and actually change how we run things at a local level.

  19. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    Colonel;

    I tend to agree, but unfortunately at this stage of the game, we have to go with what we’ve got. Also unfortunately, the GOP let the media select their candidate for them, from a field that was pretty weak to start with.

    Our only hope of saving this country is to get the Obumbler and his minions out of power. IMO even half a conservative is better than a left wing liberat! If nothing else, we look at Romney as a stop gap measure and hope like hell that someone like Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Allen West, Rand Paul or Chris Christie runs in 2016!

  20. Adrian Avatar
    Adrian

    Perhaps even, bosshoss429, Romney selects someone like that (my choice would be Alan West) as his running mate…wins the election (as well as a healthy handful of constitutionalists to the legislature) and serves only one term…and West then runs as the de facto incumbent. A guy can dream, can’t he?

  21. Colonel_Flagg Avatar
    Colonel_Flagg

    Hi, bosshoss .. thank you for the reply.

    I do feel like I’m a victim of ‘battered spouse syndrome’ as a conservative Republican. No matter what the party does, they think I’ll come back to them because they think I have nowhere else to go.

    My first vote was for the re-election of Ronald Reagan in 1984 and he was the last Republican Presidential candidate I could get excited about.

    The phrase goes “Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line”. “Falling in line” is what got us candidates like Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney. I agree Obama has to go, but Romney as the candidate sets the cause of conservatism back at least four years we can’t afford because, should he win, he won’t get primaried from the right in 2016.

    That means 2020 – at the earliest – before we get even the chance to nominate a candidate who will do what has to be done. Given that a typical Romney position statement has a shelf life of about 90 days, I have zero confidence that he would be the “severe conservative” we need. The question therefore becomes: where does the battered spouse go?

  22. bosshoss429 Avatar
    bosshoss429

    Adrian; Yes, that it a dream, but you have a great point. If one of them can get on the ticket, perhaps he can push on Romney if he starts tilting left.

    Colonel;

    I hear ya’, but I guess that I’m a little more optimistic. If Romney screws the pooch, I have faith that the old guard of the GOP will lose influence due to the Tea Party and the next generation of Conservatives. For instance, even my son, who voted for Obumbler because some of his liberal friends did, is now understanding what’s really happening. He is hanging out more with his conservative friends and they are committed to making changes. Though my son couldn’t attend due to work commitments, the rest of them were quite vocal in the caucus meetings; polite, but vocal. Thank God that some of the new blood dodged the indoctrination attempts by the Bloomington schools and their colleges.

  23. K-Rod Avatar

    “I will probably vote Romney (holding my nose all the while)”
    Why? I’m a Minnesotan, I’ll most likely write-in my wife.

    “… concentrate on getting libertarian/conservatives/constitutionalists into the legislature.”
    Spot on!
    ….
    “taking spots away from the entrenched Republican machine”
    My experience was that your #1 issue must be pro-life far and away above all other issues or you didn’t have a chance of being a delegate. (As if a BPOU can reverse Row v Wade)

  24. Colonel_Flagg Avatar
    Colonel_Flagg

    Glad you’re optimistic, Boss. I thought the same thing in ’96 with Dole, and again four years ago with McCain. The same old guard is giving is Romney now. The GOP has learned nothing except how to go along to get along, so the invitations to the right parties keep rolling in.

    And to Adrian: frankly, I don’t really care who Romney’s VP is. Look at Obama’s VP. What does he do except provide comic relief? The guy at the top still calls the shots and in this case the presumptive nominee is unreliable at best.

    We don’t need bones thrown at the conservative base. We need to drive the bus. The old guard calls the shots and the people who can affect real change are the ones who get dragged along behind it instead. In my mind, they need us a hell of a lot more than we need them.

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