Repeat a Big Lie Often Enough

In the wake of Rep. Ellison’s “Reichstag Fire” smear, Brodkorb notes that making Nazi analogies – or even calling them “Nazis” – is becoming pretty standard practice among DFLers.

He has a list:

The Minnesota DFL distributed “Bush/Cheney — Most hated world leaders since Hitler” bumper stickers in 2004.

The SD 42 DFL website once called the SD 42 Republicans “Goebbelesque” and contained the following message: “They’re so SENSITIVE to being called Nazis, but if the boot fits . . .” The Nazi reference was later removed.

Former State Senator Steve Kelley, the DFL-endorsed candidate for attorney general in 2006, once “compared a Pledge of Allegiance requirement to the rituals of Nazi Germany.“

Former State Senator Becky Lourey, a DFL candidate for governor in 2006, compared DOMAgate to the Nazi persecution of Jews.

This, in particular – Lourey comparing legal wrangling over the legal definition of marriage to loading gays into boxcars and pushing them into the gas chambers – was sign of a deeper pathology.

Coleen Rowley’s campaign blog published a picture of Congressman John Kline, a decorated U.S. Marine, dressed in a Nazi uniform.

Civility for we, but not for ye, apparently.

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July 17, 2007

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Mitch Berg

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59 responses to “Repeat a Big Lie Often Enough”

Doug

July 17, 2007

Rush Limbaugh continues to refer to feminists at femi-Nazi’s.

Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

Spend enough time on right wing radio and you’re sure to hear Hitlery Clinton.

Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post ran a piece by frequent contributor Ralph Peters that described then candidate Howard Dean as a follower of Josef Goebbels, referred to him as “Herr Howie,” accused him of “looking for his Leni Riefenstahl,” called his supporters “the Internet Gestapo” and compared them to “Hitler’s brownshirts.”

Tom DeLay compared the Environmental Protection Agency to the Gestapo.

Jeff Sessions linked stem cell research to Nazism.

Phil Gramm compared a Democratic tax plan to Nazi law.
Troy

July 17, 2007

Couldn’t find any in Minnesota, Doug?

I wonder what would happen if we observed the fish in ponds of equal size?
angryclown

July 17, 2007

COUGH!(Nazis!)
angryclown

July 17, 2007

Trojan Man wondered: “I wonder what would happen if we observed the fish in ponds of equal size?”

The Republican fish would be seen raising their right fins in salute to Hitler.
Kermit

July 17, 2007

Clowns can’t be Nazis. It’s impossible to goose-step with those big floppy shoes.
Troy

July 17, 2007

angryclown said “The Republican fish would be seen raising their right fins in salute to Hitler”.

Perhaps, but only in a cartoon bubble above the heads of the loonier Democratic fish.
Chad The Elder

July 17, 2007

Doug says:

“Spend enough time on right wing radio and you’re sure to hear Hitlery Clinton.”

Really? Whose show? Please name names.
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

“In the Future, everyone will be Hitler for 15 minutes”
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

An FYI. Rush has used the term “feminazis” and always carefully defines who he means by it. He says he is referring not to feminists in general but to a small hancful of women who feel that abortion is not only a right but a sacred duty.
Chuck

July 17, 2007

“Rush Limbaugh continues to refer to feminists at femi-Nazi’s.”

You can’t tell the difference between funny satire and actually comparing someone to Hitler? When Sienfeld has on the “Soup Nazi”, do you think he is actually saying a NYC businessman wants to exteminate the Jews?
rew

July 17, 2007

http://lakeminnetonkaliberty.blogspot.com/2007/06/whos-behind-suppressing-free-speech-via.html

just sayin
Master of None

July 17, 2007

yeah, I read Lake Minnetonka Liberty all the f’ing time.

Hey rew, while you’re here, you want to clear up something.

What is the tax status of CIM?

What is the tax status of Minimoni?
Doug

July 17, 2007

Bill said,

“Rush has used the term “feminazis” and always carefully defines who he means by it. He says he is referring not to feminists in general but to a small hancful of women who feel that abortion is not only a right but a sacred duty”

Oh I see… Maybe you can identify for us an individual who fits this description. You know, a woman who believes that having an abortion is a sacred duty.

Chad said,

“Really? Whose show? Please name names.”

I’ve heard it from callers on Hannity’s show. I’ve heard it from callers on Limbaugh’s show. I’ve also seen it used at Townhall and associated sites.
Nordeaster

July 17, 2007

There is also a big difference between entertainers like Rush, who hold no party office using the term in a tounge-in-cheek manner and a sitting U.S. rep implying government complicity in 9-11 by using the Reichstag comparison.

I’ve not seen the DeLay or Sessions comments in or out of context, so I can’t comment on them. Throwing the Nazi references about is a dangerous thing, done too much on both sides, but I don’t see it embraced in T-Shirts and bumperstickers nearly as much on the right as the left. The damage is done by cheapening the term and further propagating the insane moral equivalency midset.
Doug

July 17, 2007

Nordeaster said,

“a sitting U.S. rep implying government complicity in 9-11 by using the Reichstag comparison.

The way I read it, Ellison implied that the Bush administration took advantage of the 9-11 events to push forward policy and laws in the same way the Nazi Party used the Reichstag burning to push policy and laws.

If you think that’s some crazy idea, the PNAC laid out a long term Military and foreign Policy goals for the United States but concluded that “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”

If you want to hide something, the best way to do it is right out in the open.
angryclown

July 17, 2007

Nerdeaster droned: “I don’t see it embraced in T-Shirts and bumperstickers nearly as much on the right as the left.”

Cause it applies much better to you wingnuts, Nerd. Do you also expect Paris Hilton to be called “fat-ass” as often as Rush Limbaugh?
Badda

July 17, 2007

Who actually says Hitlery Clinton??? You didn’t even mention names… you just Commied-up a vague complaint.
Kermit

July 17, 2007

Because it applies much better to “wingnuts”, or is it more likely that looney Lefties are more prone to bumper sticker thinking?

Visualize World Peace.
angryclown

July 17, 2007

Exactly what a National Socialist would say, Kermitler.
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

Visual Whirled Peas!
Doug

July 17, 2007

Badda said,

“You didn’t even mention names… you just Commied-up a vague complaint.”

“Hitlary Clinton shows her true colors”

Source: http://www.bearpit.net/lofiversion/index.php/t4642.html

“Give her hell Rick! Calling Hitlary Clinton out!, On her femminazi views on raising kids”

Source: http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=4898

“This column, in particular, really made me think about Hitlary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the major reasons why I don’t trust it / her.”

Source: http://teapottantrums.typepad.com/index/2007/06/re-making-hilla.html

“We are on the edge of a cliff and even Hitlary Clinton seem to want to go after Iran with a passion.”

Source: http://hirsh.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=628581

Would you like me to continue with the other 24,095 I found?
Doug

July 17, 2007

Guess I’ll have to do this one at a time since the WP filter is blocking them…

Badda said,

“You didn’t even mention names… you just Commied-up a vague complaint.”

“Hitlary Clinton shows her true colors”

Source: http://www.bearpit.net/lofiversion/index.php/t4642.html
Doug

July 17, 2007

“Give her hell Rick! Calling Hitlary Clinton out!, On her femminazi views on raising kids”

Source: http://www.bearpit.net/index.php?showtopic=4898
Doug

July 17, 2007

“This column, in particular, really made me think about Hitlary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the major reasons why I don’t trust it / her.”

Source: http://teapottantrums.typepad.com/index/2007/06/re-making-hilla.html
Doug

July 17, 2007

“We are on the edge of a cliff and even Hitlary Clinton seem to want to go after Iran with a passion.”

Source: http://hirsh.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=628581
Doug

July 17, 2007

And my personal favorite…

Will the REAL Hitlery come forth?
Friday, June 01, 2007 9:30 AM

THE BUBBA AND HITLERY SHOW!

Source: http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/edda94c6-3c5d-40f2-a372-31064f1ca756&comments=true

Would you like me to continue with the other 24,095 I found?
Badda

July 17, 2007

Considering the only one that I saw came from that lady’s blog… yeah. What right-wing radio show has gone on with a Hitlery comment?

You’ve totally commied this up.
Doug

July 17, 2007

I told you. I have heard callers use that expression – especially on Hannity.
Doug

July 17, 2007

Badda said,

“Considering the only one that I saw came from that lady’s blog… yeah.”

How many of the other 24,095 would you like?

And with regard to Hitlary bumper stickers;

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/anti+hillary/-/pv_design_prod/pg_1/p_storeid.87813070/pNo_87813070/id_15797999/opt_/fpt_/c_360/
Master of None

July 17, 2007

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/anti%20bush%20hitler/-/cfpt2_/copt_/cfpt_/source_searchBox/x_0/y_0
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

as noted above, “In the Future, everyone will be Hitler for 15 minutes”
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

“Rush has used the term “feminazis” and always carefully defines who he means by it. He says he is referring not to feminists in general but to a small hancful of women who feel that abortion is not only a right but a sacred duty”

Oh I see… Maybe you can identify for us an individual who fits this description. You know, a woman who believes that having an abortion is a sacred duty. No, I can’t. As I noted and you ignored this was an FYI as to how Rush has defined his neologism, if people use it differently from how he has defined it, it’s not his fault.
Doug

July 17, 2007

Bill whined,

“No, I can’t. As I noted and you ignored…”

I’m not ignoring anything. Limbaugh uses it and he uses it to describe women he considers to be militant feminists. If you buy the load that he really only means women who feel that abortion is not only a right but a sacred duty, then it’s your challenge to name those women he’s referring to.

I can play your game to.

The Bush administration is full of Nazi’s. Of course, I only mean the ones that kill Jews and no – I can’t name them but they’re there.
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

My game is this: to tell you how Rush has defined his term, not supporting his use at all. That’s why I started the post as a For Your Information.
billhedrick

July 17, 2007

BTW, Doug, do you listen regularly to Rush? You must in order to know how he uses this term.
Doug

July 17, 2007

Bill said,

“BTW, Doug, do you listen regularly to Rush?”

If I’m in the car, I bounce between Limbaugh and Ed Schultz.
Badda

July 17, 2007

Okay Doug… let’s try to keep the analogy analogous. (That’s why it is called an analogy.)

Look at Mitch’s examples… try to stay on those lines. (If you’re going to play “a game” stick with the rules.)
Lassie

July 17, 2007

Doug wrote,

“If I’m in the car, I bounce between Limbaugh and Ed Schultz.”

Eddie will be pleased that he has a listener! How often do his callers (or Eddie himself) equate President Bush to Hitler or a Nazi?

Well, lookie here…

Schultz’s secret is to borrow liberally from the Limbaugh playbook of exaggeration and simplification. When Democrats fretted that Bush was secretly plotting against Iran, Schultz pounded away at the White House, breathlessly telling listeners, “This is the kind of stuff that happened back in the 1930s in Germany.”
swiftee

July 17, 2007

“Hey rew, while you’re here, you want to clear up something.”

“What is the tax status of CIM?”

“What is the tax status of Minimoni? ”

Better be careful with that kind of talk.

If you ask too many of these type of questions, George Soros will involuntarily flex his sphincter and strangle rew, five or six other sock puppets and AssClown to boot.
Doug

July 17, 2007

Lassie said,

“Eddie will be pleased that he has a listener!”

I’m guessing you’re implying that Schultz has no listeners. Funny then that the same article you cite has this…

“Schultz has the fastest growing radio show since Rush Limbaugh’s—81 markets and counting. He can be heard inside Republican fortresses like Waco, Texas, and Phoenix, Ariz. His syndicator, Jones Radio Networks, says he’ll be on the air in 150 to 200 markets by the end of this year.”

“Schultz pounded away at the White House, breathlessly telling listeners, “This is the kind of stuff that happened back in the 1930s in Germany.”

and…? Replace communist with Islamo-fascist. Same story. Different book.
Lassie

July 17, 2007

Doug: Yes, Ed is in a lot of markets. But then we factor in hisratings.

“Probably most enlightening is the #4 market, San Francisco. If progressive talk can’t make it there, it can’t make it anywhere. And, as it turns out, progressive talk is tops in SF. It’s just not the progressive talk with Schultz. Instead it is local progressive hosts along with a mix of medical and legal shows which leads the ratings. KGO pulls a 5.5 in the market. And how do Limbaugh/Hannity do? Well not bad considering. KFSO, where they are carried, comes in at 3.2. And Schultz and the AA gang? 1.1 on KQKE. That’s number 4 in a 5 talk station market.”

Now back to our regular programming…
Kermit

July 17, 2007

Ooh! 81 markets! If only the listener to market ratio could at least balance out.
Kevin

July 17, 2007

Don’t forget that Colleen Rowley’s website had a picture of John Kline photoshopped up to look like Col. Klink.
Chad The Elder

July 18, 2007

Doug comparing DFL politicians to talk radio callers is not exactly apples to apples. Plus it’s very unfair to talk radio callers.
angryclown

July 18, 2007

Dug said: “If I’m in the car, I bounce between Limbaugh and Ed Schultz.”

You’ve given Angryclown a rather unfortunate mental picture, my friend.
Kermit

July 18, 2007

Doug swings both ways. They tell me it’s perfectly natural…
Master of None

July 18, 2007

“Better be careful with that kind of talk.”

There isn’t a chance in hell that she’d answer those questions.
Doug

July 18, 2007

“You’ve given Angryclown a rather unfortunate mental picture, my friend.”

Ewwww…

In the morning, it’s Stephanie Miller and Laura Ingraham.

Does that help?
Badda

July 18, 2007

I get the impression you aren’t going to provide the relevant information, Doug.
Mitch

July 18, 2007

“Schultz has the fastest growing radio show since Rush Limbaugh’s—81 markets and counting.

For starters – that’s wrong(or at least I’d like to know how they figure that). Schultz’s show is NOT the fastest-growing since Limbaugh. It’s been on the air nationally for a little over three years (it syndicated about the same time Air America and, incidentally, the NARN did). He started with six stations, which means we’re talking a net gain of 75 stations in about 40 months. Not bad, certainly – and Schultz IS one of very few leftytalk hosts who doesn’t totally suck – but by the time Limbaugh was in syndication three years, he was in the hundreds. Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage and Bill Bennett are both on more stations (and in most markets, have better ratings); Ingraham topped 100 stations in (if memory serves) months rather than years, and is on 200+ stations; Bennett is also on (again, if memory serves) over 100 stations, and has been running less than two years.

Perhaps your source meant that Schultz was the “fastest growing libtalk show that doesn’t suck” – which would be both true and a very narrow definition.

He can be heard inside Republican fortresses like Waco, Texas, and Phoenix, Ariz. His syndicator, Jones Radio Networks, says he’ll be on the air in 150 to 200 markets by the end of this year.”

They’ve been saying that for quite a while. But I WILL give Fast Eddie this; unlike Air America, he is on the air in non-blue territory, something FrankenNet never quite managed.

and…? Replace communist with Islamo-fascist. Same story. Different book.

I try to stay civil. I do. But the only answer to the above is “only if you’re a complete lobotomized retard. ”

Sorry, but there’s no gentler way to put it.